Re: Cavs Could Have Acquired Paul George Last June If LeBron James Committed Long-Term

Post #1 » by **RealGM Wiretap** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:35 pm

The Cleveland Cavaliers discussed a trade for Paul George last June that could have allowed them to keep Kyrie Irving in the process.

"Last summer, they could have acquired Paul George," said Adrian Wojnarowski on the Adam Schefter podcast. "I think Paul George wanted to know, 'if LeBron commits to some years going forward, then I might be willing to commit.'

"When LeBron wasn't willing to commit to an extension, that told me, they could have had Paul George without losing Kyrie. That's a very different team: Kyrie Irving, Paul George and LeBron James.

"When he wasn't ready to do that then, Cleveland was worried and rightly so."

Via Adrian Wojnarowski/ESPN

Hoopzilla · Post #2 » by **Hoopzilla** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:26 pm

Further proof Lebron had no one to blame but himself this past season. The entire season was filled with people reacting to Lebron's inability to provide any stability to his franchise. Kyrie wanted out in part because he didn't want to get stuck with the mess Lebron made. Melo refused to waive his no-trade clause to go to Cleveland for the exact same reason as well. Now PG confirms the same issue, Lebron... :lol:

NBAFan93 · Post #3 » by **NBAFan93** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:44 pm

What trade were they going to do that didn’t include Kyrie? Had to be Love. So Cavs faced w/ giving up Love for a likely one year rental of PG and decided against it.

LeBron, Kyrie, PG-13...would have been enough to beat the Warriors? Not sure - and guess we’ll never know.

You also got to consider the whole Kyrie knee thing too. So probably would abve been Lebron and PG-13 as the only two stars.

SlimD235 · Post #4 » by **SlimD235** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:51 pm

Hoopzilla wrote:Further proof Lebron had no one to blame but himself this past season. The entire season was filled with people reacting to Lebron's inability to provide any stability to his franchise. Kyrie wanted out in part because he didn't want to get stuck with the mess Lebron made. Melo refused to waive his no-trade clause to go to Cleveland for the exact same reason as well. Now PG confirms the same issue, Lebron...

Well said

Revenged25 · Post #5 » by **Revenged25** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:40 pm

NBAFan93 wrote:What trade were they going to do that didn’t include Kyrie? Had to be Love. So Cavs faced w/ giving up Love for a likely one year rental of PG and decided against it.

LeBron, Kyrie, PG-13...would have been enough to beat the Warriors? Not sure - and guess we’ll never know.

You also got to consider the whole Kyrie knee thing too. So probably would abve been Lebron and PG-13 as the only two stars.

Well the knee thing wasn't an issue with Boston, so it would've been fine for Cleveland.

Pantsman · Post #6 » by **Pantsman** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:44 pm

Except the pacers backed out on it. Woj spinning stories again.

gordoncatrell · Post #7 » by **gordoncatrell** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:44 pm

CLE FO.
LAL FO.
MIA FO.
LAC FO.
GSW FO.
all are saying - "reality check, BronInc. you dont RUN this league anymore"
FOs are breaking free from the Hostage 1+1 game.
the worm has turned.

NBAFan93 · Post #8 » by **NBAFan93** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:47 pm

Revenged25 wrote:
NBAFan93 wrote:What trade were they going to do that didn’t include Kyrie? Had to be Love. So Cavs faced w/ giving up Love for a likely one year rental of PG and decided against it.

LeBron, Kyrie, PG-13...would have been enough to beat the Warriors? Not sure - and guess we’ll never know.

You also got to consider the whole Kyrie knee thing too. So probably would abve been Lebron and PG-13 as the only two stars.

Well the knee thing wasn't an issue with Boston, so it would've been fine for Cleveland.

I mean how Kyrie wouldn’t have been able to play this past season cause he needed surgery, not really his value. So it would have been LeBron and PG alone in the 2018 finals against the Warriors - no Kyrie cause he would have been hurt.

Nutty Nats Fan · Post #9 » by **Nutty Nats Fan** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:49 pm

Hoopzilla wrote:Further proof Lebron had no one to blame but himself this past season. The entire season was filled with people reacting to Lebron's inability to provide any stability to his franchise. Kyrie wanted out in part because he didn't want to get stuck with the mess Lebron made. Melo refused to waive his no-trade clause to go to Cleveland for the exact same reason as well. Now PG confirms the same issue, Lebron...

Yup, and this seemed why Kyrie wanted out. He was sick of this BS too.

Revenged25 · Post #10 » by **Revenged25** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:56 pm

NBAFan93 wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
NBAFan93 wrote:What trade were they going to do that didn’t include Kyrie? Had to be Love. So Cavs faced w/ giving up Love for a likely one year rental of PG and decided against it.

LeBron, Kyrie, PG-13...would have been enough to beat the Warriors? Not sure - and guess we’ll never know.

You also got to consider the whole Kyrie knee thing too. So probably would abve been Lebron and PG-13 as the only two stars.

Well the knee thing wasn't an issue with Boston, so it would've been fine for Cleveland.

I mean how Kyrie wouldn’t have been able to play this past season cause he needed surgery, not really his value. So it would have been LeBron and PG alone in the 2018 finals against the Warriors - no Kyrie cause he would have been hurt.

Why wouldn't Kyrie have been able to play this past season? I don't understand this hypothetical here since we know he was healthy. That's like saying, well what if LeBron and PG needed surgery and couldn't have played this past season, even though we just saw that they did.

NBAFan93 · Post #11 » by **NBAFan93** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:11 pm

Revenged25 wrote:
NBAFan93 wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
Well the knee thing wasn't an issue with Boston, so it would've been fine for Cleveland.

I mean how Kyrie wouldn’t have been able to play this past season cause he needed surgery, not really his value. So it would have been LeBron and PG alone in the 2018 finals against the Warriors - no Kyrie cause he would have been hurt.

Why wouldn't Kyrie have been able to play this past season? I don't understand this hypothetical here since we know he was healthy. That's like saying, well what if LeBron and PG needed surgery and couldn't have played this past season, even though we just saw that they did.

There was talk about Kyrie saying he needed knee surgery in the 2017 offseason. Then he actually did need surgery cause he knee was sore. His injury wasn’t a sudden event where he got hurt, but a nagging problem that would have happened regardless of his team.

Revenged25 · Post #12 » by **Revenged25** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:15 pm

NBAFan93 wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
NBAFan93 wrote:
I mean how Kyrie wouldn’t have been able to play this past season cause he needed surgery, not really his value. So it would have been LeBron and PG alone in the 2018 finals against the Warriors - no Kyrie cause he would have been hurt.

Why wouldn't Kyrie have been able to play this past season? I don't understand this hypothetical here since we know he was healthy. That's like saying, well what if LeBron and PG needed surgery and couldn't have played this past season, even though we just saw that they did.

There was talk about Kyrie saying he needed knee surgery in the 2017 offseason. Then he actually did need surgery cause he knee was sore. His injury wasn’t a sudden event where he got hurt, but a nagging problem that would have happened regardless of his team.

The talk was him holding the idea of knee surgery and missing hte 2017 season if he wasn't traded because of the leak that his name was brought up in trade talks or whatever against the Cavs to force a trade. Had they traded for George the Cavs would've likely worked harder to fix the relationship and run Irving/PG/LeBron/TT/???. Also when did he end up having the surgery? Did it happen after he got hurt again in the playoffs and needed like facial surgery as well?

dice · Post #13 » by **dice** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:16 pm

Hoopzilla wrote:Further proof Lebron had no one to blame but himself this past season.

i'm sure he's fully aware that it would have been easier to add talent had he made a long-term commitment. it wasn't worth it to him

he still got to the finals. and none of the hypothetical trades that have been put out there would have given them a realistic shot against golden state

the paul george FA hype is so excessive

Nutty Nats Fan · Post #14 » by **Nutty Nats Fan** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:24 pm

dice wrote:
Hoopzilla wrote:Further proof Lebron had no one to blame but himself this past season.

i'm sure he's fully aware that it would have been easier to add talent had he made a long-term commitment. it wasn't worth it to him

he still got to the finals. and none of the hypothetical trades that have been put out there would have given them a realistic shot against golden state

the paul george FA hype is so excessive

GSW was vulnerable in game one, after the long series with the Rockets. PG + Kyrie, they take that game and instead of being mentally defeated, the Cavs have the momentum. And who knows what happens.

They certainly would have had a chance.

gordoncatrell · Post #15 » by **gordoncatrell** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:35 pm

dice wrote:
Hoopzilla wrote:Further proof Lebron had no one to blame but himself this past season.

i'm sure he's fully aware that it would have been easier to add talent had he made a long-term commitment. it wasn't worth it to him

he still got to the finals. and none of the hypothetical trades that have been put out there would have given them a realistic shot against golden state

the paul george FA hype is so excessive

Partial agree.
PG value has been in decline for 2 straight seasons. that's an unattractive trend line.

Partial disagree.
BronInc didnt want to give up his 1+1 leverage no matter who they get. so he's to blame for CLE inability to draw talent to join up.
Both sides are doing what's best for themselves. monday morning QBing.

Hoopzilla · Post #16 » by **Hoopzilla** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:43 pm

dice wrote:
Hoopzilla wrote:Further proof Lebron had no one to blame but himself this past season.

i'm sure he's fully aware that it would have been easier to add talent had he made a long-term commitment. it wasn't worth it to him

he still got to the finals. and none of the hypothetical trades that have been put out there would have given them a realistic shot against golden state

the paul george FA hype is so excessive

Just because "it wasn't worth it for him" to give his team and fans any stability doesn't detract from the fact that Lebron threw away an entire year because of his selfishness.

Revenged25 · Post #17 » by **Revenged25** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:14 pm

Hoopzilla wrote:
dice wrote:
Hoopzilla wrote:Further proof Lebron had no one to blame but himself this past season.

i'm sure he's fully aware that it would have been easier to add talent had he made a long-term commitment. it wasn't worth it to him

he still got to the finals. and none of the hypothetical trades that have been put out there would have given them a realistic shot against golden state

the paul george FA hype is so excessive

Just because "it wasn't worth it for him" to give his team and fans any stability doesn't detract from the fact that Lebron threw away an entire year because of his selfishness.

Happened the first time around too. Several FA's said that they would've came to Cleveland on the MLE/vet min if LeBron had met with them and said that he was committed, but he didn't and they wouldn't. I think Ariza might've been one of them for some reason.

ChokeFasncists · Post #18 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:13 pm

NBAFan93 wrote:What trade were they going to do that didn’t include Kyrie? Had to be Love. So Cavs faced w/ giving up Love for a likely one year rental of PG and decided against it.

LeBron, Kyrie, PG-13...would have been enough to beat the Warriors? Not sure - and guess we’ll never know.

You also got to consider the whole Kyrie knee thing too. So probably would abve been Lebron and PG-13 as the only two stars.

If they did a Love for PG13 trade Kyrie would be OK with the sonning?

Without Kyrie or Hill, they might lose to Boston.

ChokeFasncists · Post #19 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:13 pm

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
dice wrote:
Hoopzilla wrote:Further proof Lebron had no one to blame but himself this past season.

i'm sure he's fully aware that it would have been easier to add talent had he made a long-term commitment. it wasn't worth it to him

he still got to the finals. and none of the hypothetical trades that have been put out there would have given them a realistic shot against golden state

the paul george FA hype is so excessive

GSW was vulnerable in game one, after the long series with the Rockets. PG + Kyrie, they take that game and instead of being mentally defeated, the Cavs have the momentum. And who knows what happens.

They certainly would have had a chance.

Dam refs, robbed us of an interesting finals.

ChokeFasncists · Post #20 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:15 pm

Hoopzilla wrote:Further proof Lebron had no one to blame but himself this past season. The entire season was filled with people reacting to Lebron's inability to provide any stability to his franchise. Kyrie wanted out in part because he didn't want to get stuck with the mess Lebron made. Melo refused to waive his no-trade clause to go to Cleveland for the exact same reason as well. Now PG confirms the same issue, Lebron...

Seems to me like LBJ wants to leave more than anything else.

And maybe that he didn't think adding PG or Melo would get them over the Dubs.