Kyrie Irving's Position Not Anti-Vaccine, Wants To Challenge A Perceived Control Of Society

[br7knicks]

most people who haven't gotten the vaccine aren't anti-vax. that's a problem, as the mob assumes this. they just don't trust the government, and with good reason.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

most people who haven't gotten the vaccine aren't anti-vax. that's a problem, as the mob assumes this. they just don't trust the government, and with good reason.

I can understand logically not wanting to buy an F-150 pickup if you don't trust Ford, but how does not trusting the government make you not want to buy an F-150 pickup?

[Dan33185]

He seems to view himself as some revolutionary thinker, when in fact the more he speaks the more obvious it becomes he's a clown.

[Billl]

The NBA was up to over 95% vaxxed as of 9/30. That's like 15 holdouts for the whole league - probably less by this point. It's well past time for the players association to start backing a vaxx mandate. There is no good reason to have separate testing, isolation, travel issues etc for just a handful of players.

[ccvle]

most people who haven't gotten the vaccine aren't anti-vax. that's a problem, as the mob assumes this. they just don't trust the government, and with good reason.

I understand that. That is more a trust issue. But what I'm seeing from the anti-vax crowd is that most of them would question the data from the gov't/pharmaceutical companies and come up with some ridiculous claims, like the vaccine is more dangerous than the covid itself. I mean I understand why some people are skeptical of the gov't and big pharmas, but then where exactly are the anti-vax crowd getting their information ? It is one thing to say I just don't trust xyz, then to make up some claims that have no basis or proven to be false.

[br7knicks]

most people who haven't gotten the vaccine aren't anti-vax. that's a problem, as the mob assumes this. they just don't trust the government, and with good reason.

I can understand logically not wanting to buy an F-150 pickup if you don't trust Ford, but how does not trusting the government make you not want to buy an F-150 pickup?

when Ford has backdoor deals with other companies, of whom have ulterior motives that don't align with many of our well-being, point of view or choices, it makes me not trust them. especially when Ford has an incredibly long history of not having our best interest in mind.

[br7knicks]

most people who haven't gotten the vaccine aren't anti-vax. that's a problem, as the mob assumes this. they just don't trust the government, and with good reason.

I understand that. That is more a trust issue. But what I'm seeing from the anti-vax crowd is that most of them would question the data from the gov't/pharmaceutical companies and come up with some ridiculous claims, like the vaccine is more dangerous than the covid itself. I mean I understand why some people are skeptical of the gov't and big pharmas, but then where exactly are the anti-vax crowd getting their information ? It is one thing to say I just don't trust xyz, then to make up some claims that have no basis or proven to be false.

i agree. from what i've learned from anti-vax people is that their claims are either nonsensical, sensationalized, or conjured up.


from what i understand, most people that are against this vaccine are people who have a strong immune system, and would rather let their own body take control over it.

as someone with bad asthma, who gets the flu shot every year and got the covid vaccine, that choice is not for me. but i completely understand why some people do not need it, or feel that it's not necessary for them.

i also absolutely stand behind them and not trusting the government, as they have historically not had our best interest in mind, generally. i also trust them less as they continue to work with pharmaceutical companies, who have even less interest in our well-being than the government.

[ccvle]

most people who haven't gotten the vaccine aren't anti-vax. that's a problem, as the mob assumes this. they just don't trust the government, and with good reason.

I understand that. That is more a trust issue. But what I'm seeing from the anti-vax crowd is that most of them would question the data from the gov't/pharmaceutical companies and come up with some ridiculous claims, like the vaccine is more dangerous than the covid itself. I mean I understand why some people are skeptical of the gov't and big pharmas, but then where exactly are the anti-vax crowd getting their information ? It is one thing to say I just don't trust xyz, then to make up some claims that have no basis or proven to be false.

i agree. from what i've learned from anti-vax people is that their claims are either nonsensical, sensationalized, or conjured up.


from what i understand, most people that are against this vaccine are people who have a strong immune system, and would rather let their own body take control over it.

as someone with bad asthma, who gets the flu shot every year and got the covid vaccine, that choice is not for me. but i completely understand why some people do not need it, or feel that it's not necessary for them.

i also absolutely stand behind them and not trusting the government, as they have historically not had our best interest in mind, generally. i also trust them less as they continue to work with pharmaceutical companies, who have even less interest in our well-being than the government.

We tend to group all the anti-vaxer as one category of people, but in reality, I think it is a lot complicated then that. Do I think some people's distrust of the gov't are irrational ? Yes. But at the same time, do I understand why they would distrust the gov't ? Absolutely. The vaccination rate among the African American group is lower than the general population. I don't think we need to go in further details why they don't trust the gov't. Do I think they are "fking id-ots" ? Of course not. The trust issue is something that you could argue date back centuries of mistrust and abuse by the gov't.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

most people who haven't gotten the vaccine aren't anti-vax. that's a problem, as the mob assumes this. they just don't trust the government, and with good reason.

I can understand logically not wanting to buy an F-150 pickup if you don't trust Ford, but how does not trusting the government make you not want to buy an F-150 pickup?

when Ford has backdoor deals with other companies, of whom have ulterior motives that don't align with many of our well-being, point of view or choices, it makes me not trust them. especially when Ford has an incredibly long history of not having our best interest in mind.

If Moderna has backdoor deals with other companies, what does that have to do with the government?

Do you not go to the grocery store because government?

[br7knicks]

I understand that. That is more a trust issue. But what I'm seeing from the anti-vax crowd is that most of them would question the data from the gov't/pharmaceutical companies and come up with some ridiculous claims, like the vaccine is more dangerous than the covid itself. I mean I understand why some people are skeptical of the gov't and big pharmas, but then where exactly are the anti-vax crowd getting their information ? It is one thing to say I just don't trust xyz, then to make up some claims that have no basis or proven to be false.

i agree. from what i've learned from anti-vax people is that their claims are either nonsensical, sensationalized, or conjured up.


from what i understand, most people that are against this vaccine are people who have a strong immune system, and would rather let their own body take control over it.

as someone with bad asthma, who gets the flu shot every year and got the covid vaccine, that choice is not for me. but i completely understand why some people do not need it, or feel that it's not necessary for them.

i also absolutely stand behind them and not trusting the government, as they have historically not had our best interest in mind, generally. i also trust them less as they continue to work with pharmaceutical companies, who have even less interest in our well-being than the government.

We tend to group all the anti-vaxer as one category of people, but in reality, I think it is a lot complicated then that. Do I think some people's distrust of the gov't are irrational ? Yes. But at the same time, do I understand why they would distrust the gov't ? Absolutely. The vaccination rate among the African American group is lower than the general population. I don't think we need to go in further details why they don't trust the gov't. Do I think they are "fking id-ots" ? Of course not. The trust issue is something that you could argue date back centuries of mistrust and abuse by the gov't.

I agree with all of this. This is the most rational answer I've seen on realgm, ever

[br7knicks]

I can understand logically not wanting to buy an F-150 pickup if you don't trust Ford, but how does not trusting the government make you not want to buy an F-150 pickup?

when Ford has backdoor deals with other companies, of whom have ulterior motives that don't align with many of our well-being, point of view or choices, it makes me not trust them. especially when Ford has an incredibly long history of not having our best interest in mind.

If Moderna has backdoor deals with other companies, what does that have to do with the government?

Do you not go to the grocery store because government?

Oh boy...

[BooRadleysHouse]

This is a guy who likes posts that Satanic cabals are trying to control people through a vaccine. He was/is a flat earther. Stop lying, Kyrie. You're on that "conspiracy theory" juice.

[Barcs]

This is exactly what I said 2 weeks ago. Kyrie is doing this as a publicity stunt just like he did with the flat earth thing. I bet he's already had his first vaccine dose. I'm not buying that he's going to just give it all up over something so silly.

[Nsync_Beckham]

Good on Kyrie on making his own decision on what to do with his own body and not some phoney on television telling him he has to.

[robbie84]

The comments here are a good illustration on why someone as high profile as Irving is needed to take a stand.

The amount of disrespect that the some people have for anyone that doesn't tow the line is troublesome. Using government force to destroy the livelihoods of those that are hesitant establishes a dangerous precedent in government overreach; all the while people cheer as it happens.

I'm happy that Irving is taking a stand. I wish more people would. But the backlash he's getting shows what happens if you do.

Yeah, 'taking a stand' by doing 'his own research' and somehow 'realizing' that he knows more than the world's smartest, most educated and studied doctors and virologists in the world....and disagreeing with everything for any old reason that gets him attention and boosts his imaginary genius status

This guy is completely delusional.

There's a difference between taking a stand and being a true hero- like Colin Kapaernick- or being an ego driven moron who does everything to feed his own ego while pretending to be some kind of martyr.

He's gone from it being a personal choice, to now being a martyr for those 'with no voice'.

Delusional, selfish, wannabe.

[slay25]

most people who haven't gotten the vaccine aren't anti-vax. that's a problem, as the mob assumes this. they just don't trust the government, and with good reason.

I understand that. That is more a trust issue. But what I'm seeing from the anti-vax crowd is that most of them would question the data from the gov't/pharmaceutical companies and come up with some ridiculous claims, like the vaccine is more dangerous than the covid itself. I mean I understand why some people are skeptical of the gov't and big pharmas, but then where exactly are the anti-vax crowd getting their information ? It is one thing to say I just don't trust xyz, then to make up some claims that have no basis or proven to be false.

i agree. from what i've learned from anti-vax people is that their claims are either nonsensical, sensationalized, or conjured up.


from what i understand, most people that are against this vaccine are people who have a strong immune system, and would rather let their own body take control over it.

as someone with bad asthma, who gets the flu shot every year and got the covid vaccine, that choice is not for me. but i completely understand why some people do not need it, or feel that it's not necessary for them.

i also absolutely stand behind them and not trusting the government, as they have historically not had our best interest in mind, generally. i also trust them less as they continue to work with pharmaceutical companies, who have even less interest in our well-being than the government.

i am against the vaccine for my personal body. not "anti vax". but i'm beginning to be more so. none of it is because of wacky youtube videos. just like all those pharma commercials where the side effects seem to be worse than the thing the drug is curing, i would rather get covid because I am healthy and in the sun often and active and eat right. the vaccine has side effects that, even if they are rare, are way more intimidating to me. way rather lose my smell for two weeks than potential deal with heart issues the rest of my life. i'll take my chances with covid.

[slay25]

most people who haven't gotten the vaccine aren't anti-vax. that's a problem, as the mob assumes this. they just don't trust the government, and with good reason.

I understand that. That is more a trust issue. But what I'm seeing from the anti-vax crowd is that most of them would question the data from the gov't/pharmaceutical companies and come up with some ridiculous claims, like the vaccine is more dangerous than the covid itself. I mean I understand why some people are skeptical of the gov't and big pharmas, but then where exactly are the anti-vax crowd getting their information ? It is one thing to say I just don't trust xyz, then to make up some claims that have no basis or proven to be false.

i agree. from what i've learned from anti-vax people is that their claims are either nonsensical, sensationalized, or conjured up.


from what i understand, most people that are against this vaccine are people who have a strong immune system, and would rather let their own body take control over it.

as someone with bad asthma, who gets the flu shot every year and got the covid vaccine, that choice is not for me. but i completely understand why some people do not need it, or feel that it's not necessary for them.

i also absolutely stand behind them and not trusting the government, as they have historically not had our best interest in mind, generally. i also trust them less as they continue to work with pharmaceutical companies, who have even less interest in our well-being than the government.

i am against the vaccine for my personal body. not "anti vax". but i'm beginning to be more so. none of it is because of wacky youtube videos. just like all those pharma commercials where the side effects seem to be worse than the thing the drug is curing, i would rather get covid because I am healthy and in the sun often and active and eat right. the vaccine has side effects that, even if they are rare, are way more intimidating to me. way rather lose my smell for two weeks than potentially deal with heart issues the rest of my life. i'll take my chances with covid.

[TOMSPY77]

A voice for idiots is more like it...

[IAMZOOTED2]

Wondering when -- if ever -- Kyrie will take Chuck's advice for him.

[BKlutch]

That framing from Charania, that Kyrie only is upset people lose their jobs due to vaccine mandates, has received pushback from some journalists who specialize in reporting on disinfo.

NBC News' Ben Collins pointed out, "Almost every anti-vaccine Facebook group I’m in is filled with people claiming they are 'Not anti-vaccine, but…' then listing a host of government conspiracies. It is the de facto start of every post on there. Those people are still wildly anti-vaccine, despite what they say." And CNN's Alex Koppelman chimed in: "I am literally begging everyone, if you are going to cover this stuff, please take I dunno an hour and learn whether you're buying an incredibly common anti-vax trope..."

per Brian Stelter, CNN Reliable Sources