Cavs Have Dion Waiters Trade In Place

[nikster]

OKC won this deal by a mile. Lance Thomas for Dion? Almost like Masai Ujiri fleecing the Knicks. The Knicks just gave up a bad contract I guess, which we won't know if it's a good deal or not until Phil has some time next year to build the roster. And the Cavs, MAJOR loss. Not only do they give up 2 more big guys, they get JR and who knows how well he will do with Lebron, Love, Kyrie and all of those egos. Cleveland better have something else up their sleeve or they will just go deeper and deeper into the pit of the East.

I agree that OKC won but dont think it was so bad for the Cavs. The 2 bigs they traded have been completely insignificant this season. I dont think Cavs were really interested in JR. Shumpert gives them a quality defender on the perimeter which they badly need

[amcfad27]

Horrible trade by the Cavs. No value for a #4 pick still on a rookie deal.

2 #1 overall
2 #4 overall

And carried over a decent (at least rotational) center in Varejo. The Cavs should be so much further ahead than where they are now to the point where they should have at least had a debate if they even needed Lebron. Imagine what this team would look like if they had even a semi competent GM...

[slicedbread2]

I will summarize it in a few sentences for each fanbases:

OKC: Yea we got a dude who needs a change of scenery and could be a 6th man on a contending squad and we didn't give up squat to get this.

NY: Oh yea we somehow got out of J.R. brick's deal plus they will be having a lighter luxury tax bill and are that much closer to just getting under the bill. PJ is up to something.

CLE: Dion wasn't working out too well, but instead we got J.R. bricks when we are suppose to be getting a big man to shore up the loss of Andy? I'm completely loss, but hey Iman ain't too bad.

[skflives]

I would have been willing to settle for the Knicks turning Shump and J.R Smith into Waiters but I am ok with this deal. Why? Because we dump J.R Smith and his contract. It helps our 2015 plans and helps us on the court. He was the very definition of addition by subtraction.

[ATF]

Waiters and LeBron just didn't get along. You could just sense it. I don't think this deal gets done otherwise.

[thinktellectual]

If it's basically Reggie Jackson for Waiters then I'm done with Presti.

You should be done with Bennett and his cheap ass.
If he wasn't such a cheap ****, OKC would right now have a big 4 of Westbrook, Durant, Harden and Ibaka.
They'd be in the finals every year and they might already have one or 2 titles.

[thinktellectual]

Waiters and LeBron just didn't get along. You could just sense it. I don't think this deal gets done otherwise.

Regardless, this looks like a desperation move by the Cavs.
Taking on a bad contract of a dumb ass player just to get maybe a marginal improvement over Waiters is screaming "I AM DESPERATE".
Usually these bets don't pay off.

And if they sign Dalembert after he clears waivers, you can put a fork in their season.

[AirCanadaMouse]

Knicks come out as big losers in this trade, imo.

[billtill4]

I like this trade for the cavs. Waiters was a problem and couldn't hit a shot unless he dribbled first. Jr will be motivated playing on winning team and Iman will give them a stopper who doesn't need the ball to contribute.

[Greenie]

Knicks come out as big losers in this trade, imo.

How?

[Greenie]

I like this trade for the cavs. Waiters was a problem and couldn't hit a shot unless he dribbled first. Jr will be motivated playing on winning team and Iman will give them a stopper who doesn't need the ball to contribute.

JR does the same stepback.

[AirCanadaMouse]

Knicks come out as big losers in this trade, imo.

How?

Alex Kirk and Lou Amundson and a 2nd rounder?

They got no value, at all.

While Smith isn't a good player or anything, he's not a third stringer.

Shumpert is still a better then average defender, and can really contribute.

Considering the Knicks could've gotten Kyle Lowry in a package that included Shumpert and Felton, this is laughable. I realize they weren't going to get an all star talent, but they could've gotten SOMETHING of value.

They essentially traded two role players for a package filled with scrubs.

[LukasBMW]

WTF Cleveland?

Haywood is now their only center on the roster. Love and T.T. are their only power forwards.

Their front line is now incredibly shallow and small.

There is either another move coming or the Cavs are going to get crushed on the front line.

[olive_triangurl]

I always knew LeBron needed Wade to win a ring, but now it looks like he needs Riley too.

[Greenie]

Knicks come out as big losers in this trade, imo.

How?

Alex Kirk and Lou Amundson and a 2nd rounder?

They got no value, at all.

While Smith isn't a good player or anything, he's not a third stringer.

Shumpert is still a better then average defender, and can really contribute.

Considering the Knicks could've gotten Kyle Lowry in a package that included Shumpert and Felton, this is laughable. I realize they weren't going to get an all star talent, but they could've gotten SOMETHING of value.

They essentially traded two role players for a package filled with scrubs.

I see you don't watch the Knicks to say that about Iman and JR. The Knicks saved about 7 mil on the cap next year + about 20 mil in money overall.

[castor777]

WTF Cleveland?

Haywood is now their only center on the roster. Love and T.T. are their only power forwards.

Their front line is now incredibly shallow and small.

There is either another move coming or the Cavs are going to get crushed on the front line.

It seems likely a center is coming soon. There's already reports they're after Mozgov - and this trade just seems to be the start of another move.

The PF spot is a bit of a concern though. While TT is among the least injury prone guys in the league (has only missed a few games since coming into the league), you have to assume Love will have some injury like LeBron this season and miss a bit of time. They can play both LeBron and Marion at PF for stretches/small ball situations, but it's certainly an area they'll need to address. But of course, the PG situation is looking worse and worse when Kyrie is off the court.

[castor777]

Horrible trade by the Cavs. No value for a #4 pick still on a rookie deal.

2 #1 overall
2 #4 overall

And carried over a decent (at least rotational) center in Varejo. The Cavs should be so much further ahead than where they are now to the point where they should have at least had a debate if they even needed Lebron. Imagine what this team would look like if they had even a semi competent GM...

The amount they've given up for being in "win now" mode is getting very excessive, especially if this season doesn't fall in place (and it likely won't until after their upcoming Western road trip). But it's a bit of a stretch to think they could be further ahead where they are now, let alone debating if they'd need LeBron (c'mon man!). The only *superstar* (in the making) in these past 4 drafts has been Anthony Davis, Kyrie is a tier below him I'd say, and last years draft continues to look like a major bust all around. But the best teams that have built in the draft (Wizards, Thunder) had plenty of turmoil until they got into their 4th years and found a groove. The current play of the Cavs is atrocious, but seeing as how they'll likely finish in the top 5 of the East regardless is, at best, where'd they'd be with our without their draft picks.

[malgus]

The Knicks don't really expect anything from the scrubs they got in this deal, they mainly wanted to get rid of Smith and Shumpert was the price to do so.

Now we get to see what Hardaway Jr. can really do and other guys get an opportunity. They can't be worse than Smith. Notice how Houston is much worse with the volatile Smith they got too lol.

[masgi]

Horrible trade by the Cavs. No value for a #4 pick still on a rookie deal.

2 #1 overall
2 #4 overall

And carried over a decent (at least rotational) center in Varejo. The Cavs should be so much further ahead than where they are now to the point where they should have at least had a debate if they even needed Lebron. Imagine what this team would look like if they had even a semi competent GM...

The amount they've given up for being in "win now" mode is getting very excessive, especially if this season doesn't fall in place (and it likely won't until after their upcoming Western road trip). But it's a bit of a stretch to think they could be further ahead where they are now, let alone debating if they'd need LeBron (c'mon man!). The only *superstar* (in the making) in these past 4 drafts has been Anthony Davis, Kyrie is a tier below him I'd say, and last years draft continues to look like a major bust all around. But the best teams that have built in the draft (Wizards, Thunder) had plenty of turmoil until they got into their 4th years and found a groove. The current play of the Cavs is atrocious, but seeing as how they'll likely finish in the top 5 of the East regardless is, at best, where'd they'd be with our without their draft picks.

I'd say Rose, Noah, Butler, Gibson is the best team built through the draft...

[PrecociousNeoph]

i can't believe I'm saying this but strangely the knicks come away as real winners here, they got rid of JR Smith's contract which is one of the worst in the NBA, and since Shumpert's impressive rookie season his jump shot has gotten no better and his defense has been inconsistent and at times has even regressed. some of that was the injuries but a lot of it was motivation. i think with a new team, with kevin love and lebron, shumpert will be re-energized and start to show some of his old self again on defense, which would obviously be a great fit with kyrie irving who plays zero defense. in the long run i think this makes the cavs better too