LeBron James, Dan Gilbert At Odds Over Cavs' Spending

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Post#21 » by 12footrim » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:02 pm

youblewwit wrote:I'm not a financial person so I don't know what any of this means, but Windorst said the other day...before Lebron got there, Gilbert (he owns Quickens Loans) closed $2 billion in loans. Last year, he closed $80 billion in loans. And as a cherry on top, Gilbert also got casinos built there.

Having Lebron as your 'employee' has a lot of benefits, all you have to do is keep improving the team so you can win the title. It doesn't matter if you have the highest payroll, are in luxury tax, if your rival just added the 2nd best player in the league, you should probably spend the money to get a backup PG.



I heard that podcast too. Gilberts loaded sure but that's beside the point IMO. I can understand not wanting to drop millions for some scrap heap PG that isn't going to help them at all in the playoffs. Raptors and Celts aren't threating them either in the race for #1 in the East.

Lebron is loaded too but he sure didn't want to take a few million less either for Gilbert and pushed him to sign his talent agency guys like Smith and Thompson for market or better prices where as many players do give at least a little discounts. Then he has him sign his friends like James Jones who shouldn't even be in the NBA. There's your roster spot you could get someone from the Dleauge or without a job to try to help if you wanted. Instead you got James Jones riding shotgun which accomplishes nothing other than he's your buddy. Same with Miller before that.
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Post#22 » by 12footrim » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:57 pm

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MegaK wrote:Any one taking Gilberts side clearly doesn't understand how much money Lebron generates for the franchise. The luxury tax the CAVS are paying is nothing compared to the money Lebron generates for the team. The least the team could do is listen to the guy who basically gets to the Finals most of the time. Lebron knows what the team needs more than anyone in the organization.

What do you want Gilbert to do? You can't just go and sign a player right off another team. Any trade has to work out cap-wise he can't just take on more money that way.

The only thing you could really say is they should have kept Delly, which (when factoring in the Luxury Cap penalties) would have costed about $30 million/year. Are you really going to blame Gilbert for not spending $30 mil/year to keep a backup PG?


NOthing to do with Delly , ... Lebron wants Gilbert to use his trade exception before the trade deadline to acquire a player which I don't think he wants to do according to reports because they are already paying the repeater luxury tax


I'd try to trade a 2nd rounder for Marcus Thornton and cut James Jones or some other useless player and tell him to STFU that's his "playmaker". His 1.3 million would still cost about 4 or 5 million in salary and tax extra probably and a young asset.

Barbosa is another guy not playing and on a bad team he doesn't fit that it would make sense to trade for, but he's 4 million a year. You are talking serious money with all the tax there for a 35 year old bench warmer. Appears they are trying to wait for the buyout and Lebron is whining. They really should just play him 34 minutes a game so he would shut up or give him another 2 week vacation and play one of their bench guys more. I don't even really see how it matters if they go .500 the next month really.
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Post#23 » by 2011Champs » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:02 pm

If I was Gilbert I would immediately sign Delonte West to keep Lebron in check.
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Post#24 » by BorkLazer » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:26 pm

If I ever hear anyone equating LBJ to Jordan or Bird or any of the other greats I will puke. This guy is the biggest whiner in the HISTORY of the NBA. YOU HAVE 3 OF THE TOP 25 PLAYERS IN THE GAME ON YOUR TEAM! PLAY BALL AND STOP BITCHING!!!! I can't stand this new NBA...
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Post#25 » by FlatearthZorro » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:15 pm

That team is pretty deep, imo. LeBron is going too far with the complaining and stuff. He needs to play basketball and stfu, oh and also some1 needs to teach him some respect- he's calling out everybody publicly anytime anything goes wrong. This is not great leadership.
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Post#26 » by Kobblehead » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:42 pm

Gilbert should mandate Griffin to trade LeBron.
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Post#27 » by BorkLazer » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:34 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Gilbert should mandate Griffin to trade LeBron.


How awesome would that be? What would be considered a reasonable return?
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Post#28 » by totalrekall » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:06 am

I think its ridiculous that teams can exceed the salary cap at all. why have a cap if you can spend as much as you want? its somewhere between an unfair advantage and cheating. not every team can afford to pay luxury tax penalties so really the cap puts the smaller market teams at an even bigger disadvantage bc they cant go over but teams like the Cavs can afford to spend even more. either have a hard cap or none at all. LeBron shouldnt be complaining but thats what he does. if he doesnt like it he should have taken the veteran minimum
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Post#29 » by Pipp33 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:34 am

So LBJ holds the Owner/GM to ransom to resign T. Thompson and pushes hard for them to keep JR Smith, both overpaid, especially Thompson, and now wonders why their Cap is up the creek and haven't got PG depth?????
Lets face it - Lebron built this team by handing his boys the contracts they wanted and now he's not happy????? Should never have let Delly go, who signed at the Bucks for a pretty reasonable contract. Yes, it would have cost Cavs more in Lux Tax, but that's what happens when you have 3 big names and overpaid role players (Thompson)
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Post#30 » by SuperDeluxe » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:59 am

Gimme more stars! Spend more (of your) money! Biggest spender is never enough!

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Post#31 » by Jim Dolan » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:12 am

4 all stars on one team, what more can you possibly want. Imagine MJ complaining about how they need to upgrade BJ Armstrong
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Post#32 » by RaptorRed » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:16 am

totalrekall wrote:I think its ridiculous that teams can exceed the salary cap at all. why have a cap if you can spend as much as you want? its somewhere between an unfair advantage and cheating. not every team can afford to pay luxury tax penalties so really the cap puts the smaller market teams at an even bigger disadvantage bc they cant go over but teams like the Cavs can afford to spend even more. either have a hard cap or none at all. LeBron shouldnt be complaining but thats what he does. if he doesnt like it he should have taken the veteran minimum

Lol .. it's called a soft cap, not as 'equal' as a hard cap like in the NHL but much more fair than the MLB where the Big market teams just buy championships
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Post#33 » by haste10176 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:35 am

Lebron haters are funny.. Last year lebron called out his team mates and made the GM moves according to Haters and they belittled each one and yet he won the championship.. This year he wants to win again the other team added the best player besides him to the roster.. They have gone backwards from last year and need a centre and a PG..Lebron and Kyrie having to play 40 minutes in regular season games is not a good thing.. Yes they are over the payroll and have some overpaid players.. Thompson and JR Smith and Jones should just not be on the list that said in order to beat GSW who will themselves next year be well over the salary cap they need to make the roster better.. Currently you have Curry v Irving (Curry Scoring title and two MVP's Irving nothing so give this one to Curry).. K Thompson V Smith (I do not think this one is even close give this to Klay) Lebron v Durant (Lebron edges this one due to defensive capabilities but the gap is closing) Green V Love (This is a tough call could be a dead heat but Green maybe edges due to his defensive capabilities... T Thompson V Zaza (I will give this one to Thompson). The Warriors are already winning then off the bench they have Livingston as back up PG and Andrea Igoudala as 6th man.. West as back up to Green.. It really is not close in terms of depth... Cavs need help. Mavs have the two players Cavs really need... Bogut and Deron Williams add those two players to the roster and I think you have a contender... Right now GSW is winning everyone else is just playing second fiddle...
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Post#34 » by contract » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:41 pm

12footrim wrote:I heard that podcast too. Gilberts loaded sure but that's beside the point IMO. I can understand not wanting to drop millions for some scrap heap PG that isn't going to help them at all in the playoffs. Raptors and Celts aren't threating them either in the race for #1 in the East.

Lebron is loaded too but ...

Dan Gilbert's net worth: ~ $5.1 billion

http://www.forbes.com/profile/daniel-gilbert/


Lebron's networth: ~ $275 million

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2016/12/13/lebron-james-net-worth-275-million-in-2016/#26031e4177e3


No, Lebron is not loaded too. Lebron is much closer in wealth to YOU than he is to Dan Gilbert. A player, any player giving up $1 million is a bigger sacrifice than an owner giving up $100 million. And Lebron is massively underpaid to begin with due to the cap on maximum salaries.

Now excuse me while I go rinse the taste of bile out of my mouth.
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Post#35 » by BudenFerry » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:51 pm

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12footrim wrote:I heard that podcast too. Gilberts loaded sure but that's beside the point IMO. I can understand not wanting to drop millions for some scrap heap PG that isn't going to help them at all in the playoffs. Raptors and Celts aren't threating them either in the race for #1 in the East.

Lebron is loaded too but ...

Dan Gilbert's net worth: ~ $5.1 billion

http://www.forbes.com/profile/daniel-gilbert/


Lebron's networth: ~ $275 million

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2016/12/13/lebron-james-net-worth-275-million-in-2016/#26031e4177e3


No, Lebron is not loaded too. Lebron is much closer in wealth to YOU than he is to Dan Gilbert. A player, any player giving up $1 million is a bigger sacrifice than an owner giving up $100 million. And Lebron is massively underpaid to begin with due to the cap on maximum salaries.

Now excuse me while I go rinse the taste of bile out of my mouth.



Ohh really. 275 mil x 100 = 27.5 billion.

Your post is nonsense
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Post#36 » by hyberx » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:32 pm

haste10176 wrote:Lebron haters are funny.. Last year lebron called out his team mates and made the GM moves according to Haters and they belittled each one and yet he won the championship.. This year he wants to win again the other team added the best player besides him to the roster.. They have gone backwards from last year and need a centre and a PG..Lebron and Kyrie having to play 40 minutes in regular season games is not a good thing.. Yes they are over the payroll and have some overpaid players.. Thompson and JR Smith and Jones should just not be on the list that said in order to beat GSW who will themselves next year be well over the salary cap they need to make the roster better.. Currently you have Curry v Irving (Curry Scoring title and two MVP's Irving nothing so give this one to Curry).. K Thompson V Smith (I do not think this one is even close give this to Klay) Lebron v Durant (Lebron edges this one due to defensive capabilities but the gap is closing) Green V Love (This is a tough call could be a dead heat but Green maybe edges due to his defensive capabilities... T Thompson V Zaza (I will give this one to Thompson). The Warriors are already winning then off the bench they have Livingston as back up PG and Andrea Igoudala as 6th man.. West as back up to Green.. It really is not close in terms of depth... Cavs need help. Mavs have the two players Cavs really need... Bogut and Deron Williams add those two players to the roster and I think you have a contender... Right now GSW is winning everyone else is just playing second fiddle...


While I agree with 2nd part of your analysis and already agreed that a player has the right to complain, your first part is nothing short of wishful thinking.

First of all, not many people here are "hating" LeBron just because. Most would agree he is a great player. For that, his consistent whining to the media is what turn people off. You don't see other great players do that. Just this season, LBJ whined about officiating, now his teammate and ownership/management. He got a long history and it's nothing new.

It's perfectly okay to chew out your teammates when they don't perform. Draymond Green was yelling at Curry and KD when they didn't run the right plays against Memphis. Guess what, they have been doing great and the right thing since. Taking it to the media is another thing, that is not about getting your team to do the right thing, just telling the world it's not your fault that your team sucked. Case in point, right after that whining, Cavs lost to the almighty Kings on their home court. How LeBron thinks another play maker can help them play better defense against these bottom teams is anyone's guess.

You make it sound like LeGM won the championship last year due to his brilliant moves, which is quite funny. The fact remains that a full Warriors team beat a full Cavs team easily almost every single time, both regular season and post season. Until LeBron whined to the league and Adam Silver stepped in to suspend Draymond Green, then Bogut went down. Otherwise they wouldn't make it pass 5 games had the Ws got a full team on the court. LeGM's hand picked choice Kevin Love sucked almost every time he plays the Warriors. Cavs basically have to play him as little as possible whenever against the Ws. So I don't see how that is a brilliant move by LeGM.
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Post#37 » by contract » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:39 pm

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12footrim wrote:I heard that podcast too. Gilberts loaded sure but that's beside the point IMO. I can understand not wanting to drop millions for some scrap heap PG that isn't going to help them at all in the playoffs. Raptors and Celts aren't threating them either in the race for #1 in the East.

Lebron is loaded too but ...

Dan Gilbert's net worth: ~ $5.1 billion

http://www.forbes.com/profile/daniel-gilbert/


Lebron's networth: ~ $275 million

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2016/12/13/lebron-james-net-worth-275-million-in-2016/#26031e4177e3


No, Lebron is not loaded too. Lebron is much closer in wealth to YOU than he is to Dan Gilbert. A player, any player giving up $1 million is a bigger sacrifice than an owner giving up $100 million. And Lebron is massively underpaid to begin with due to the cap on maximum salaries.

Now excuse me while I go rinse the taste of bile out of my mouth.



Ohh really. 275 mil x 100 = 27.5 billion.

Your post is nonsense


If Dan Gilbert set $100 million on fire, he'd still have $5 billion.
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Post#38 » by 12footrim » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:21 pm

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contract wrote:Dan Gilbert's net worth: ~ $5.1 billion

http://www.forbes.com/profile/daniel-gilbert/


Lebron's networth: ~ $275 million

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2016/12/13/lebron-james-net-worth-275-million-in-2016/#26031e4177e3


No, Lebron is not loaded too. Lebron is much closer in wealth to YOU than he is to Dan Gilbert. A player, any player giving up $1 million is a bigger sacrifice than an owner giving up $100 million. And Lebron is massively underpaid to begin with due to the cap on maximum salaries.

Now excuse me while I go rinse the taste of bile out of my mouth.



Ohh really. 275 mil x 100 = 27.5 billion.

Your post is nonsense


If Dan Gilbert set $100 million on fire, he'd still have $5 billion.


That's not a reason to throw away 100 million either.

So 275 million like that says Lebron has isn't loaded? I question the accuracy of that number as well. Rumor is he signed near a 1 billion dollar deal with Nike, he also had stock in beats and other companies or whatever. He's 32 years old and will make millions years after he retires like Jordan. The guy isn't hurting and that's certainly not his finished worth the deals he has and way he's managed his assets. Hell he has ownership in TV and talent agency's.

If he wanted to take less than the max like plenty of other franchise players have maybe you could make demands like paying 50 million in salary and tax for Delly then. Either way that's just stupid and you can't blame Gilbert for drawing the line somewhere. He didn't get rich by making stupid deals and he's already has the highest paid roster in NBA history by 12 million and has paid Lebron and his talent agency guys like Thopmson and JR market or plus market value. There is always a line, is paying 12 million over every other team in the NBA now enough?
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Post#39 » by 12footrim » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:30 pm

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12footrim wrote:I heard that podcast too. Gilberts loaded sure but that's beside the point IMO. I can understand not wanting to drop millions for some scrap heap PG that isn't going to help them at all in the playoffs. Raptors and Celts aren't threating them either in the race for #1 in the East.

Lebron is loaded too but ...

Dan Gilbert's net worth: ~ $5.1 billion

http://www.forbes.com/profile/daniel-gilbert/


Lebron's networth: ~ $275 million

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2016/12/13/lebron-james-net-worth-275-million-in-2016/#26031e4177e3


No, Lebron is not loaded too. Lebron is much closer in wealth to YOU than he is to Dan Gilbert. A player, any player giving up $1 million is a bigger sacrifice than an owner giving up $100 million. And Lebron is massively underpaid to begin with due to the cap on maximum salaries.

Now excuse me while I go rinse the taste of bile out of my mouth.



Ohh really. 275 mil x 100 = 27.5 billion.

Your post is nonsense


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Post#40 » by contract » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:16 pm

12footrim wrote:
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Ohh really. 275 mil x 100 = 27.5 billion.

Your post is nonsense


If Dan Gilbert set $100 million on fire, he'd still have $5 billion.


That's not a reason to throw away 100 million either.

So 275 million like that says Lebron has isn't loaded? I question the accuracy of that number as well. Rumor is he signed near a 1 billion dollar deal with Nike, he also had stock in beats and other companies or whatever. He's 32 years old and will make millions years after he retires like Jordan. The guy isn't hurting and that's certainly not his finished worth the deals he has and way he's managed his assets. Hell he has ownership in TV and talent agency's.

If he wanted to take less than the max like plenty of other franchise players have maybe you could make demands like paying 50 million in salary and tax for Delly then. Either way that's just stupid and you can't blame Gilbert for drawing the line somewhere. He didn't get rich by making stupid deals and he's already has the highest paid roster in NBA history by 12 million and has paid Lebron and his talent agency guys like Thopmson and JR market or plus market value. There is always a line, is paying 12 million over every other team in the NBA now enough?

No it's not. He's making money off Lebron, and supposedly wants to win another title. It's perfectly fine for Lebron to demand more from him. It literally costs him nothing. Gilbert doesn't make his money off the Cavs. That's just walking around money for him.

He ain't EVER going to have Lebron James on his team again. The next one is unlikely to get drafted by the Cavs, and no one is going to Cleveland unless they were born in the area. Push all your chips to the middle of the table and try to win as much as you can before he gets too old to deliver championships. Because once he does, it's over for a long long time.
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