Joel Embiid Not Worried About Consequences Of Trash Talk

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Re: Joel Embiid Not Worried About Consequences Of Trash Talk 

Post#21 » by ChokeFasncists » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:04 pm

As long as he doesn't cross the line it's cool.

Otherwise Stephen Jackson and his "ain't 'bout dis life" would apply to him.
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Post#22 » by ChokeFasncists » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:05 pm

As long as he doesn't cross the line it's cool.

Otherwise Stephen Jackson and his "ain't 'bout dis life" would apply to him.
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Post#23 » by zero24gravity » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:11 pm

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Post#24 » by zero24gravity » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:12 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:Except he’s not punking himself, he hasn’t done anything dirty. He trash talks and if somebody takes it a step further and physically reacts then they’re dirty.


Oh ok. So staring down a player who's laying on the ground after you block their shot is perfectly acceptable? Throwing himself down with a shameless flop isn't making himself look foolish? We can agree to disagree.

You're right though, he doesn't actually do the "dirty" stuff, cause he's all talk (and he's a fit fragile based on his injury history).

Like I said before, I admire his talent. He's playing better than I ever thought he would. I'm not calling him Rodman-crazy. He simply needs to grow-up, that's all.
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Post#25 » by CoreyGallagher » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm

zero24gravity wrote:Oh ok. So staring down a player who's laying on the ground after you block their shot is perfectly acceptable? Throwing himself down with a shameless flop isn't making himself look foolish? We can agree to disagree.

If somebody’s ego is so fragile that they’re first reaction after getting stared at is to get up and shove somebody then that’s their issue. Yes, Embiid embellished it, but was still contact that Mitchell initiated away from the basketball play.

You're right though, he doesn't actually do the "dirty" stuff, cause he's all talk (and he's a fit fragile based on his injury history).

Okay.
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Post#26 » by sixerswillrule » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:26 pm

popfan wrote:I agree with the other posters. Embiid is immature.

I would add that he's also not particularly bright. For example, "I’m 7-foot-2 and I’m a big dude. So I don’t think you want to try me. And I’m African, too." So players should fear him because he's really tall and African? Welcome to the NBA, where a majority of players are really tall and have African heritage.

It sounds as if Embiid believes that being African (raised in Africa, I presume) means that he's naturally tough, antagonistic. That Embiid is tough and antagonistic is without question but I seriously doubt this is attributable to his African identity. I also don't believe that Embiid has an accurate sense of his toughness. If cornered in an alley between Ron Artest and Embiid, I'd be more concerned about Artest.

Hakeem Olajuwon -- another tall African in the NBA -- was tougher, more humble, brighter and more accomplished.


Lol no, pretty much the opposite.

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/10/26/joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-the-process

Embiid was raised in an upper middle class home in the Cameroonian capital of Yaounde. His parents made him wash his own clothes by hand, but they employed a maid. His mother drove a Mercedes. He ate omelettes for breakfast. He was not allowed to play sports until he had memorized all the notes he jotted throughout the day’s classes. “I was a little soft,” Embiid says, “but the Americans had no idea about any of that. They just knew I was from Africa. They thought I grew up poor, in the jungle, killing lions. I was like, If that’s how they think of me, I’m going to use it.”


He was joking.
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Post#27 » by sixerswillrule » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:27 pm

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Post#28 » by zero24gravity » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:36 pm

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zero24gravity wrote:Oh ok. So staring down a player who's laying on the ground after you block their shot is perfectly acceptable? Throwing himself down with a shameless flop isn't making himself look foolish? We can agree to disagree.

If somebody’s ego is so fragile that they’re first reaction after getting stared at is to get up and shove somebody then that’s their issue. Yes, Embiid embellished it, but was still contact that Mitchell initiated away from the basketball play.

You're right though, he doesn't actually do the "dirty" stuff, cause he's all talk (and he's a fit fragile based on his injury history).

Okay.


Fragile ego, or not going to take a total show of disrespect (especially as a rookie who is out there trying to earn respect each game)?
If you know anything about Mitchell, you know it's not an ego issue. Mitchell shouldn't have pushed him though, I do agree. Point is, the whole thing was a show-boat act by Embid, who is building a rep as a clown. And once again I point out that I think he's a very good basketball player, who just needs a few more ounces of maturity.
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Post#29 » by CoreyGallagher » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:42 pm

There’s no other reason to push him besides a hurt ego, though. Embiid didn’t even touch Mitchell.

If you want an example of how a player should react then do so as Embiid did just a few games ago. He got pulled down by the neck while watching for a rebound by Willie Reed, an actual dirty play. He got up quickly into Reed’s face, but he didn’t push him, instead he backed away and outperformed the Clippers for the rest of the night.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I don’t have an issue with Mitchell reacting like that, it’s whatever, but I also don’t have an issue with what Embiid selling it, either.
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Post#30 » by cedric76 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:25 pm

Joel isn't bright

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Post#31 » by ThumbsUpBaby » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:30 pm

popfan wrote:I agree with the other posters. Embiid is immature.

I would add that he's also not particularly bright. For example, "I’m 7-foot-2 and I’m a big dude. So I don’t think you want to try me. And I’m African, too." So players should fear him because he's really tall and African? Welcome to the NBA, where a majority of players are really tall and have African heritage.

It sounds as if Embiid believes that being African (raised in Africa, I presume) means that he's naturally tough, antagonistic. That Embiid is tough and antagonistic is without question but I seriously doubt this is attributable to his African identity. I also don't believe that Embiid has an accurate sense of his toughness. If cornered in an alley between Ron Artest and Embiid, I'd be more concerned about Artest.

Hakeem Olajuwon -- another tall African in the NBA -- was tougher, more humble, brighter and more accomplished.


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Post#32 » by ThumbsUpBaby » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:34 pm

zero24gravity wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:
zero24gravity wrote:Oh ok. So staring down a player who's laying on the ground after you block their shot is perfectly acceptable? Throwing himself down with a shameless flop isn't making himself look foolish? We can agree to disagree.

If somebody’s ego is so fragile that they’re first reaction after getting stared at is to get up and shove somebody then that’s their issue. Yes, Embiid embellished it, but was still contact that Mitchell initiated away from the basketball play.

You're right though, he doesn't actually do the "dirty" stuff, cause he's all talk (and he's a fit fragile based on his injury history).

Okay.


Fragile ego, or not going to take a total show of disrespect (especially as a rookie who is out there trying to earn respect each game)?
If you know anything about Mitchell, you know it's not an ego issue. Mitchell shouldn't have pushed him though, I do agree. Point is, the whole thing was a show-boat act by Embid, who is building a rep as a clown. And once again I point out that I think he's a very good basketball player, who just needs a few more ounces of maturity.


What qualifies as maturity to you? You seem to have some criteria to what maturity is. Because he's acting up on the court, whether to play mind games or whether to have fun... you've come down to a conclusion that he just wants to be a clown. You're only looking at one side of this. I don't think he has maturity issues, if the only thing you're concerned about is his trolling attitude on the court.
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Post#33 » by rockmanslim » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:18 am

Here's video of the interview:
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Post#34 » by rockmanslim » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:26 am

This article sums up Embiid's bleep talking perfectly:

http://goo.gl/uVasxR (url shortener needed since the url contains a curse word)

    Embiid’s brand of disrespect is so palatable because, as he puts it in the interview above, it is first and foremost “about having fun.” This is an incredibly difficult tightrope to walk; lean too far in one direction you risk becoming a raging nut that everyone rolls their eyes at, lean the other way and you risk becoming a dreaded “fake tough guy.” Thus far Embiid has managed to become one of the rarest things in basketball: a guy who talks as much [beep!] as anyone but is actually Not Mad. It really is funny to him! He really is laughing!
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Post#35 » by J_T » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:08 am

African? What kind of a statement is that? I am starting to dislike him, he is crossing the line. The players will go after him and he is stupid if he thinks that players going after him will not increase chance of him getting injured. He should shut his mouth and play basketball.
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Post#36 » by tasball » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:03 am

Joel Embiid is a very funny bunt - keep 'em guessing mate.
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Post#37 » by richboy » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:43 am

J_T wrote:African? What kind of a statement is that? I am starting to dislike him, he is crossing the line. The players will go after him and he is stupid if he thinks that players going after him will not increase chance of him getting injured. He should shut his mouth and play basketball.


You don't know about that African strength. A step above old man strength is African strength.
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Post#38 » by J_T » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:38 pm

Now that's funny.
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Post#39 » by macNcheese3 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:03 pm

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Post#40 » by We Are Groot » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:59 am

wasn't too long ago that Danny Ferry was fired for calling some1 "African." it's funny how it's ok for certain people to use certain terms in certain situations and actually have it pass as humor and how when it's used in other ways it costs people (not on the list apparently) their jobs. Even more ironic is how there was nothing untrue about how the term was used in either case; strictly factual ... the whole country just needs to lighten up. all this hand wringing about what's acceptable is BS, there are bigger issues that cld use the attn we're givingthis minutiae

and why would anybody here presume to tell Joel friggin' Embiid what he "should do" or how he "should act." -smmfh- NEWSFLASH ... not only does nobody care about how you "think" the man should act, that fact is only overshadowed by how inconsequential your opinion actually is. Like his trash talking or don't like it, fine. come here to bitch & moan or praise him, fine ... but spare us all your advice on how you "think" he should be living his life

and lastly, wtf is up with Jazz fans? LoL - Mitchell got played; he's a rook. that stuff happens dozens of times on any given nite in the league ... really not that serious. forget the fact that you're profiling some1 based on a single act ... i'd bet if you asked Mitchell himself about it, he'd probly say he got baited into it like a rookie learning the ropes. it's not Embiid's fault the T wasn't called, it's the refs. why aren't any of you crying about how inept they are?

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