Re: Jimmy Butler Skeptical Wolves Actually Searching For Trade

[Hoopzilla]

Should have agreed to play, declared dunking as overated, shared team plays with the opposition, and refused to drive to the net, while taking contested fade-away jumpers.

That has worked in the past.

Yeah, Vince definitely wrote the book on how to spit in a franchise's face. Might be his biggest legacy... for Raptors fans anyways.

Although, Butler would have to get his mommy involved if he wants to stoop to Vince's level.

[Hoopzilla]

If you put your team in a terrible leverage position by demanding a trade, skipping training camp and listing only 3-4 teams you want to play for, you can’t then turn around and complain when it doesn’t happen quickly. Duh.

If Butler wanted out so badly he should have let the Wolves know about this back in June, I cant ever remember a team being put in a worse situation to trade an all star level player.

You obviously have no knowledge of the Vince Carter clusterf*ck when he demanded his way out of Toronto. This is a walk in the park compared to that. At least the Wolves will still have Towns and Wiggins to lead them...

[Furinkazan]

freakin Jimmy should tell them about trade request before the draft so Wolves could actually get any value back.
Now as Al Bundy would said" Put your little hat on sideways and boo-boo away...."

[Billl]

This situation needs to be addressed in the next CBA... any player that creates a toxic situation while under contract shouldn't be paid.

Yeah, and any player that thinks the team is toxic and/or not committing to winning can just opt out of their contact.

[Pickled Prunes]

This situation needs to be addressed in the next CBA... any player that creates a toxic situation while under contract shouldn't be paid.

Yeah, and any player that thinks the team is toxic and/or not committing to winning can just opt out of their contact.

Yep, that's all negotiable when they sign their contract. Jimmy could have gambled on his health and signed 1+1 deals like so many players are doing. But players want long term security and so do teams. It is risky to build around a player that has not made that commitment. That is why the Cavs locked Love in before Lebron had his bags packed. As flawed as Love is, they now have a known quantity to build around. (I am sure they hope that he will eventually be their #2.) They also have a trade piece should their short-term rebuild not pan out.

But the point is that players are signing contracts and not honoring them. But i's more than just the team that gets screwed. How do you think Lamarcus Aldridge enjoyed watching Kawhi force his way out? Lamarcus signed with the Spurs largely because Kawhi was there. And that whole situation was a black mark on Manu's last season. Sure, teams want commitment... but players expect it from each other as well. There is a reason that Durant still doesn't feel like a part of GSW. No long term commitment. The players feel it too!

[The_Hater]

If you put your team in a terrible leverage position by demanding a trade, skipping training camp and listing only 3-4 teams you want to play for, you can’t then turn around and complain when it doesn’t happen quickly. Duh.

If Butler wanted out so badly he should have let the Wolves know about this back in June, I cant ever remember a team being put in a worse situation to trade an all star level player.

You obviously have no knowledge of the Vince Carter clusterf*ck when he demanded his way out of Toronto. ...

You should probably look at my profile and see what team I root for.

That’s a great example of a worse situation, I didn’t bring it up because it seems like another generation ago. But at least Vince didn’t publically announce a list of 3 teams he wanted to be traded too, the biggest problem there was that Rob Babcock was so far in over his head that he was going to get taken advantage no matter what the scenerio was.

[Scalabrine]

Kings get:
Jimmy Butler
Gorgui Dieng

Wolves get:
Willy Cauley Stein
Justin Jackson
Zach Randolph
Iman Shumpert


Kings:
Giles/Dieng/Koufos
Bagley/Labissiere
Butler/Bjelica
Bogdanovic/Hield
Fox/Farrell/Mason

Wolves:
Towns/WCS/Randolph
Gibson/Tolliver/Randolph
Wiggins/Jackson
Rose/Shumpert/Okogi
Teague/Jones

Wolves get two former lotto picks on rookie deals (Jackson and WCS), shed the contract of Dieng in exchange for the expiring deals of Randolph and Shumpert and save about 5 million dollars in salary matching. They also get to send Butler out to a team that he didn't put on his list.

Kings don't have their first this year so they get Butler for a year and hope they can convince him to stay by being able to offer way more money then anyone else. They are essentially gambling on Butler with the potential of losing WCS (who they may not resign anyway) and Jackson.

[Raptors Realtor]

Not sure why professional athletes feel that they should be catered to because they don't like their teammates/co-workers... In any other professional walk of life, people work with others they don't like or get along with everyday, however doesn't mean the non - professional athletes can demand to be transferred to another department or branch.

These athletes need to stop being such whiners and acting so entitled. #growup

[ChokeFasncists]

The players have too much power. They use the media to pressure their employers to get what they want.

I say go the route of San Antonio. Send Butler to a team willing to take the risk of keeping him and move on.

No way would I give him what he wants.

Pop getting an in-prime all star in DD+ from the Kwhai Baby force out probably has set an example for other GMs to follow.

Patience. Keep him if there's no deal.

[Billl]

Not sure why professional athletes feel that they should be catered to because they don't like their teammates/co-workers... In any other professional walk of life, people work with others they don't like or get along with everyday, however doesn't mean the non - professional athletes can demand to be transferred to another department or branch.

These athletes need to stop being such whiners and acting so entitled. #growup

Every other human can just quit and go work for another employer. Professional athletes don't get that option. In fact, their work can actually ship them off to another state and they don't get a choice in the matter.

[likashing]

And I thought Kawhi was a diva.

Dude you have a contract and you are pissed the Wolves aren't working hard enough to trade you?

From now on you should only sign 1 year deals man. But you won't because you are scared of not getting guaranteed money.

[Raptors Realtor]

Not sure why professional athletes feel that they should be catered to because they don't like their teammates/co-workers... In any other professional walk of life, people work with others they don't like or get along with everyday, however doesn't mean the non - professional athletes can demand to be transferred to another department or branch.

These athletes need to stop being such whiners and acting so entitled. #growup

Every other human can just quit and go work for another employer. Professional athletes don't get that option. In fact, their work can actually ship them off to another state and they don't get a choice in the matter.

It's all relative, but depending on your profession and where you live, it's not that simple. I'm from Toronto where employment in all industries is very competitive, and finding a job is very difficult, regardless of credentials.

[Stillwater]

Not sure why professional athletes feel that they should be catered to because they don't like their teammates/co-workers... In any other professional walk of life, people work with others they don't like or get along with everyday, however doesn't mean the non - professional athletes can demand to be transferred to another department or branch.

These athletes need to stop being such whiners and acting so entitled. #growup

That isn't entirely true , but yeah you can't demand anything, but you can if at a position of leverage when you are in the top 10% of the workforce where your services are valued above the average employee get requests to transfer granted, but you won't go somewhere any better just somewhere different with the same problems different people just as incompetent as the one's before the transfer.

[Mwd1981]

I think Houston and Miami are the only places that make sense.

Houston think they’re close to Warriors.
Miami think he’ll put them near top of east.

I don’t see anybody else giving anything much for him, when they can just sign him in a year.

[Hoopzilla]

If you put your team in a terrible leverage position by demanding a trade, skipping training camp and listing only 3-4 teams you want to play for, you can’t then turn around and complain when it doesn’t happen quickly. Duh.

If Butler wanted out so badly he should have let the Wolves know about this back in June, I cant ever remember a team being put in a worse situation to trade an all star level player.

You obviously have no knowledge of the Vince Carter clusterf*ck when he demanded his way out of Toronto. ...

You should probably look at my profile and see what team I root for.

That’s a great example of a worse situation, I didn’t bring it up because it seems like another generation ago. But at least Vince didn’t publically announce a list of 3 teams he wanted to be traded too, the biggest problem there was that Rob Babcock was so far in over his head that he was going to get taken advantage no matter what the scenerio was.

While some will look back and say a rookie GM got taken advantage of, it is more accurate to say Vince handcuffed him and forced him to take pennies on the dollar. Vince publicly stated that he was not going to dunk anymore until he was traded, Air Canada grounded himself. He went so far as to have his own mother go on television to try and defend her poor baby. We are talking all time pathetic here. It so blatantly obvious to the casual observer that he wanted out, so no other GM was even giving him 50 cents on the dollar for a guy who was actually sabotaging the Raptors from within on the court. That's right, Babcock traded him two days after he was told the story of Vince telling the Sonics players what the last second play was in a tight game. This was confirmed by 3 of the Sonics players...

What do you do, just keep a guy who is actually trying to make your team lose? Are you trying to say that did not absolutely plummet his trade value? Are you trying to say the public found out and it wasn't already common knowledge in NBA circles that Vince was actively sabotaging his team? Are you trying to say he didn't force his value down by putting up career worst (up to that point) percentages and numbers across the board after 20 games? Going from 22 ppg the season before, down to 15.9. His free throw percentage alone dropped ten percent for no reason whatsoever! But then after the trade his percentages and numbers all go back to normal...

You trade that toxic player and the league is giving you pennies on the dollar at best. Some people blame Babcock, sure, but I think Vince had more to do with it than you recall. I would rather have Vince give a list of destinations over having him tell the other team the plays, publicly state that he will not even bother playing hard anymore and then tries to make the Raptors lose any day of the week. But go ahead, you can remember it your way if you wish. I saw your profile pic, I thought you knew more about the team you cheer for. You'd figure a guy who the name The Hater would not like the guy who personally set the franchise back at least five years or more by making sure the Raptors got next to nothing for him after he demanded to be traded. All because he wanted Dr. J to be given the GM job over Babcock. Dr. J to this day has never held a front office position in the G league, nevermind the NBA.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/did-carter-tip-off-sonics-on-play-selection-1.506817

[Sweet Meat Lew]

Not sure why professional athletes feel that they should be catered to because they don't like their teammates/co-workers... In any other professional walk of life, people work with others they don't like or get along with everyday, however doesn't mean the non - professional athletes can demand to be transferred to another department or branch.

These athletes need to stop being such whiners and acting so entitled. #growup

Every other human can just quit and go work for another employer. Professional athletes don't get that option. In fact, their work can actually ship them off to another state and they don't get a choice in the matter.

That's news to me. The Air Force can and has shipped me all over the planet and I can't leave until my commitment (contract) is up. I demanded a trade to the Coast Guard but there were unwilling to negotiate the deal.

[kenwood3333]

The argument that the top X% of the work force have leverage is just not true. There have been cases where players at the bottom of the league refuse to report to work while getting paid. See Joakim Noah as a recent example.

[cavs4872]

Frustrated? They don't have to trade you bro.