Kevin Love's Only Question In Extension Talks Was Whether Cavs Planned To Tank

[cavs4872]

Cavs are literally like one player away from tanking. They're gonna have to have a perfect season just to be the eighth seed. I think SixString is shortchanging them, but I could see bottom five if it's a disaster.

[cavs4872]

Cavs are literally like one player away from tanking. They're gonna have to have a perfect season just to be the eighth seed. I think SixString is shortchanging them, but I could see bottom five if it's a disaster.

[SixStringAxis]

The Pros in vegas are fools if they think the Cavs are that bad... mark my words you and they are dead wrong and historically Lebron has required roster moves to play around him... remember what the Cavs had before the dl last year and what they had after and now are totally different players without him, they are better without him because they knew they wouldn't be having nothing but tools in Lebrons bag of tricks like in 2010.
If you look at the facts not some generalized historical data , it's clear the Cavs are a playoff team.

Who exactly on the cavs roster do you think is so great? Kevin Love hasnt looked like Minny Love in.. well, 5 years. Sure he will get more touches now, so im sure his post game will improve, but still.

Please dont say Jordan Clarkson because when you actually watch the guy consistently, hes terrible. He cant shoot and im surprised when he finishes in the lay up line. Rodney Hood is injured every other day and is mentally incapable of handling any pressure.

Sexton is arguably the most skilled player on the team and hes a rookie. Im sure Cedi will get better but its not going to be enough. We just do NOT have the star power to beat many teams consistently. Dont get me wrong I like our team and think we have some nice pieces but honestly the NBA is fairly deep right now, even the worst teams have some nice talent. You do know we only won 50 games last year? We only won in the playoffs because thats when Lebron turns on god mode. When he coasted in the regular season, we lost, because the team sucked and no one ever stepped up.

Sorry bud that youre 15 years behind on realizing just how good Lebron is. You sound like a hater from his early years, when everyone was saying "he wasnt clutch", meanwhile Cavs fans were actually watching games, while he flat out dominated in the last two minutes just about every night.

LeBron is the goat and all his teammates loved learning from him and playing off of him but every one of them is glad he is gone .. why? 2 reasons 1 we have no superstars which allows the coaches the freedom to actually coach a basketball TEAM that thrives off of ball movement and plays fast paced... and every player top to bottom on this roster has more to their game than what they have shown in a LeBron ball system.. 2 Love is still an underappreciated all star given his unusual willingness to follow in the LeBron years.
People who value superstars over a great system don't play basketball and don't understand the beauty of it

I seriously have no idea what games you were watching. The Cavs with Kyrie had fantastic top 3 in the league ball movement, especially in the playoffs. We set NBA records for 3's.. do you think we did that with bad ball movement? Lol. We also ran the break very well. Our issue was usually defense, in the regular season only.

Lebron has been outside of the top 5 and even sometimes outside the top 10 in time of ball possession since his days in Miami. Hes one of the best off the ball players of all time, if you actually watch the games he gets a massive amount of points from good cuts and alley-oops. It hasnt been a knock on Lebron that he holds the top of the key for too long, since like 2007, over a decade ago.

[DoItALL9]

If Love were to get hurt for an extended period of time would they downshift into tank mode?

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[Stillwater]

Who exactly on the cavs roster do you think is so great? Kevin Love hasnt looked like Minny Love in.. well, 5 years. Sure he will get more touches now, so im sure his post game will improve, but still.

Please dont say Jordan Clarkson because when you actually watch the guy consistently, hes terrible. He cant shoot and im surprised when he finishes in the lay up line. Rodney Hood is injured every other day and is mentally incapable of handling any pressure.

Sexton is arguably the most skilled player on the team and hes a rookie. Im sure Cedi will get better but its not going to be enough. We just do NOT have the star power to beat many teams consistently. Dont get me wrong I like our team and think we have some nice pieces but honestly the NBA is fairly deep right now, even the worst teams have some nice talent. You do know we only won 50 games last year? We only won in the playoffs because thats when Lebron turns on god mode. When he coasted in the regular season, we lost, because the team sucked and no one ever stepped up.

Sorry bud that youre 15 years behind on realizing just how good Lebron is. You sound like a hater from his early years, when everyone was saying "he wasnt clutch", meanwhile Cavs fans were actually watching games, while he flat out dominated in the last two minutes just about every night.

LeBron is the goat and all his teammates loved learning from him and playing off of him but every one of them is glad he is gone .. why? 2 reasons 1 we have no superstars which allows the coaches the freedom to actually coach a basketball TEAM that thrives off of ball movement and plays fast paced... and every player top to bottom on this roster has more to their game than what they have shown in a LeBron ball system.. 2 Love is still an underappreciated all star given his unusual willingness to follow in the LeBron years.
People who value superstars over a great system don't play basketball and don't understand the beauty of it

I seriously have no idea what games you were watching. The Cavs with Kyrie had fantastic top 3 in the league ball movement, especially in the playoffs. We set NBA records for 3's.. do you think we did that with bad ball movement? Lol. We also ran the break very well. Our issue was usually defense, in the regular season only.

Lebron has been outside of the top 5 and even sometimes outside the top 10 in time of ball possession since his days in Miami. Hes one of the best off the ball players of all time, if you actually watch the games he gets a massive amount of points from good cuts and alley-oops. It hasnt been a knock on Lebron that he holds the top of the key for too long, since like 2007, over a decade ago.

Everything revolved around Lebron always did... which absolutely shunts the full capability or need of these players to use their full capability which will be showcased on a balanced non superstar driven rotation and system

[dice]

Sounds like somebody doesn't recognize the skill of the Cavs roster. This team of misfits actually were worse players by numbers and certainly becasue the style of play was choking their games with Lebron than they were before they came here.Why? Because Lebron ball is every other teammate sans Irving type creators pushed into demoted roles for the betterment of a single star player system.
Sure there are seemingly exceptions like Korver , but I would argue he will be even better with more ball movement.
The Cavs as is are at minimum a playoff team in the 7-8 range. If they improve as the season goes as they should they could easily be a better team than whomever ends up with the 3-5 seeds even though the Cavs won less regular season games getting there.

i guess that the pros in vegas don't realize the skill of the cavs roster either. their current over/under is 30-31 wins, which is smack dab in-between the projected 8 seed pistons and the projected 15 seed hawks

i don't know if you were born yesterday in terms of your basketball fandom, but if you had been paying attention in the long term every team that lebron joins becomes miles better and every team he leaves implodes

The Pros in vegas are fools if they think the Cavs are that bad... mark my words you and they are dead wrong and historically Lebron has required roster moves to play around him... remember what the Cavs had before the dl last year and what they had after and now are totally different players without him, they are better without him because they knew they wouldn't be having nothing but tools in Lebrons bag of tricks like in 2010.
If you look at the facts not some generalized historical data , it's clear the Cavs are a playoff team.

such lebron disrespect

casinos love to see you show up, don't they?

[The_Hater]

LeBron is the goat and all his teammates loved learning from him and playing off of him but every one of them is glad he is gone .. why? 2 reasons 1 we have no superstars which allows the coaches the freedom to actually coach a basketball TEAM that thrives off of ball movement and plays fast paced... and every player top to bottom on this roster has more to their game than what they have shown in a LeBron ball system.. 2 Love is still an underappreciated all star given his unusual willingness to follow in the LeBron years.
People who value superstars over a great system don't play basketball and don't understand the beauty of it

I seriously have no idea what games you were watching. The Cavs with Kyrie had fantastic top 3 in the league ball movement, especially in the playoffs. We set NBA records for 3's.. do you think we did that with bad ball movement? Lol. We also ran the break very well. Our issue was usually defense, in the regular season only.

Lebron has been outside of the top 5 and even sometimes outside the top 10 in time of ball possession since his days in Miami. Hes one of the best off the ball players of all time, if you actually watch the games he gets a massive amount of points from good cuts and alley-oops. It hasnt been a knock on Lebron that he holds the top of the key for too long, since like 2007, over a decade ago.

Everything revolved around Lebron always did... which absolutely shunts the full capability or need of these players to use their full capability which will be showcased on a balanced non superstar driven rotation and system

That’s a great theory, albeit dead wrong. The last time Bron left Cleveland they lost 42 MORE games the following season and this team is dead last in the conference right now. It’s not rocket science, that’s what happens when you lose the greatest player of his generation.

[Stillwater]

i guess that the pros in vegas don't realize the skill of the cavs roster either. their current over/under is 30-31 wins, which is smack dab in-between the projected 8 seed pistons and the projected 15 seed hawks

i don't know if you were born yesterday in terms of your basketball fandom, but if you had been paying attention in the long term every team that lebron joins becomes miles better and every team he leaves implodes

The Pros in vegas are fools if they think the Cavs are that bad... mark my words you and they are dead wrong and historically Lebron has required roster moves to play around him... remember what the Cavs had before the dl last year and what they had after and now are totally different players without him, they are better without him because they knew they wouldn't be having nothing but tools in Lebrons bag of tricks like in 2010.
If you look at the facts not some generalized historical data , it's clear the Cavs are a playoff team.

such lebron disrespect

casinos love to see you show up, don't they?

rough start to the season means diddly squat and only a troll would suggest otherwise.

[Stillwater]

I seriously have no idea what games you were watching. The Cavs with Kyrie had fantastic top 3 in the league ball movement, especially in the playoffs. We set NBA records for 3's.. do you think we did that with bad ball movement? Lol. We also ran the break very well. Our issue was usually defense, in the regular season only.

Lebron has been outside of the top 5 and even sometimes outside the top 10 in time of ball possession since his days in Miami. Hes one of the best off the ball players of all time, if you actually watch the games he gets a massive amount of points from good cuts and alley-oops. It hasnt been a knock on Lebron that he holds the top of the key for too long, since like 2007, over a decade ago.

Everything revolved around Lebron always did... which absolutely shunts the full capability or need of these players to use their full capability which will be showcased on a balanced non superstar driven rotation and system

That’s a great theory, albeit dead wrong. The last time Bron left Cleveland they lost 42 MORE games the following season and this team is dead last in the conference right now. It’s not rocket science, that’s what happens when you lose the greatest player of his generation.

dead last after 4 games...that's nothing the damn Lakers are 1-3 and only beat the Suns. Cavs play well for a couple of quarters and clearly are not up to speed on this new system. If you can honestly say you think the Cavs are going to be bad all season, then I guess you son't see what I see on what it takes to change a system and how much it will benefit the org to stick with it win or lose for the first 20 games. If the Cavs are still unable to play this style after that point, they will change it up anyway.
This is not a theory, the Cavs roster is far superior to the one Lebron left in 2010.

[The_Hater]

Everything revolved around Lebron always did... which absolutely shunts the full capability or need of these players to use their full capability which will be showcased on a balanced non superstar driven rotation and system

That’s a great theory, albeit dead wrong. The last time Bron left Cleveland they lost 42 MORE games the following season and this team is dead last in the conference right now. It’s not rocket science, that’s what happens when you lose the greatest player of his generation.

dead last after 4 games...that's nothing the damn Lakers are 1-3 and only beat the Suns. Cavs play well for a couple of quarters and clearly are not up to speed on this new system. If you can honestly say you think the Cavs are going to be bad all season, then I guess you son't see what I see on what it takes to change a system and how much it will benefit the org to stick with it win or lose for the first 20 games. If the Cavs are still unable to play this style after that point, they will change it up anyway.
This is not a theory, the Cavs roster is far superior to the one Lebron left in 2010.

I agree that they have a better roster now then 2010 but it's still not a playoff roster, It's a 30-52 type of roster. They were the best team in the east with LeBron and will miss the playoffs without him, exact same thing that happened to Miami in 2014 and Cleveland in 2010. I know the theory that Bron stunts his teammates is a popular one (with primarily the anti-Lebron crowd) but he actually brings out the best in all of them because of his ability to bend the defense his direction and his elite passing skills. You don't win in the NBA with a roster full of role players.

[Stillwater]

That’s a great theory, albeit dead wrong. The last time Bron left Cleveland they lost 42 MORE games the following season and this team is dead last in the conference right now. It’s not rocket science, that’s what happens when you lose the greatest player of his generation.

dead last after 4 games...that's nothing the damn Lakers are 1-3 and only beat the Suns. Cavs play well for a couple of quarters and clearly are not up to speed on this new system. If you can honestly say you think the Cavs are going to be bad all season, then I guess you son't see what I see on what it takes to change a system and how much it will benefit the org to stick with it win or lose for the first 20 games. If the Cavs are still unable to play this style after that point, they will change it up anyway.
This is not a theory, the Cavs roster is far superior to the one Lebron left in 2010.

I agree that they have a better roster now then 2010 but it's still not a playoff roster, It's a 30-52 type of roster. They were the best team in the east with LeBron and will miss the playoffs without him, exact same thing that happened to Miami in 2014 and Cleveland in 2010. I know the theory that Bron stunts his teammates is a popular one (with primarily the anti-Lebron crowd) but he actually brings out the best in all of them because of his ability to bend the defense his direction and his elite passing skills. You don't win in the NBA with a roster full of role players.

Yeah I fail to see the connection between any situation in the past. Of course Lebron was the best player and so of course the team played in the system that utilized his ability to draw defenses and his ability as a play maker gave them plenty of scoring opportunities etc, but to assume that suddenly that equates to the current Cavs roster not having more individual skills than what they were showing in their time on the court with Lebron as role players compared to him is inaccurate. The Cavs roster is struggling 4 games in to adjust to the new pace consistently. They are absolutely talented enough offensively to fight for a playoff spot this season, and if they can achieve the level they need to be at to play the pace that Lue has them running on both sides of the ball, I would argue they could win a playoff series.
Easy for people to be down on them right now,I get it. But they are far from a lottery lock.

[cheese318]

Yeah sorry to ATL but it's better for the Cavs to lose the pick in 19 than try to retain it and forfeit it in the better 2020 draft.
There is little chance the Cavs roster right now misses the playoffs or at minimum comes up just short no matter how low expectations from the wake of Lebron leaving are right now. To many solid vets and decent young players.

From the Hawks' perspective, way better than you guys tanking for two years and then become SRPs.

thats true I guess...but tbh I might rather have non guaranteed 2nds to use on cheap bench players down the road than waste the $ on a meh player in the first round in 2019... I mean if the pick falls between 12-16 you could get lucky, but it's more likely 17-21

I prefer first round picks. They are a much higher trade value plus I prefer a top 20 player in a draft over a top 40-50 player in draft. Just my assessment. Donovan Mitchell was a teener in the lottery. Odds become so much lower when you draft in the 2nd round to find a talent of that magnitude. Jimmy Butler was a very late first round pick (30th overall) so again give me those firsts any day of the week. The thought of wanting 2nd’s over 1st’s is downright crazy

[cheese318]

Yeah sorry to ATL but it's better for the Cavs to lose the pick in 19 than try to retain it and forfeit it in the better 2020 draft.
There is little chance the Cavs roster right now misses the playoffs or at minimum comes up just short no matter how low expectations from the wake of Lebron leaving are right now. To many solid vets and decent young players.

There is ZERO chance we come even close to making the playoffs. Everyone is going find how good Lebron really is if they think we will.

Kevin Love is being optimistic because thats just the type of guy he is, but he knows. Unless Sexton is a all-star from day one we are going to be bottom 3 in the league. Sure we have vets but they all suck at this point, they all need someone to create for them, we dont have that at ALL.

Sounds like somebody doesn't recognize the skill of the Cavs roster. This team of misfits actually were worse players by numbers and certainly becasue the style of play was choking their games with Lebron than they were before they came here.Why? Because Lebron ball is every other teammate sans Irving type creators pushed into demoted roles for the betterment of a single star player system.
Sure there are seemingly exceptions like Korver , but I would argue he will be even better with more ball movement.
The Cavs as is are at minimum a playoff team in the 7-8 range. If they improve as the season goes as they should they could easily be a better team than whomever ends up with the 3-5 seeds even though the Cavs won less regular season games getting there.

The only thing the Cavs can say they have is post season pedigree. The problem with that assumption is breaking down who actually is still on the team from all the playoff runs over the last four seasons. Kevin Love & Tristan Thompson the only two remaining and JR/Kyle can be included. If you really think this team is talented enough to make playoffs you are crazy. This team is not ready. It’s a band of misfits. Kevin Love will get his. Hood will score some points. At the end of the day this team is a lottery contender. I would agree if this team had 2-3 years of continuity together of playing playoff basketball. This team was put together during last offseason and the trade deadline. They will be drafting in the same range as they did last year with the Nets pick or even higher imo.


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[cheese318]

but I wanted to be part of something where we could continue to strive for all these banners up here

Where?

Striving for something does not mean there is a realistic expectation of achieving it. Just do the best you can with what you got.

Love gets to go back to putting up all star numbers and perhaps get a nod to a few more all star teams to add to his resume. Then he is in a good position to sail off in the sunset to the HOF with a ring and some nice career numbers. I am sure it will be comparable to life in Minny, but fans will love him more because he helped bring them a ring and never turned his back on them, like others have. Could be worse...

Turned there back? Skip Bayless at its finest. Cannot just talk about Kevin Love. Need to bring up “others”. You could have just said Kyrie Irving by name

[cheese318]

There is ZERO chance we come even close to making the playoffs. Everyone is going find how good Lebron really is if they think we will.

Kevin Love is being optimistic because thats just the type of guy he is, but he knows. Unless Sexton is a all-star from day one we are going to be bottom 3 in the league. Sure we have vets but they all suck at this point, they all need someone to create for them, we dont have that at ALL.

Sounds like somebody doesn't recognize the skill of the Cavs roster. This team of misfits actually were worse players by numbers and certainly becasue the style of play was choking their games with Lebron than they were before they came here.Why? Because Lebron ball is every other teammate sans Irving type creators pushed into demoted roles for the betterment of a single star player system.
Sure there are seemingly exceptions like Korver , but I would argue he will be even better with more ball movement.
The Cavs as is are at minimum a playoff team in the 7-8 range. If they improve as the season goes as they should they could easily be a better team than whomever ends up with the 3-5 seeds even though the Cavs won less regular season games getting there.

i guess that the pros in vegas don't realize the skill of the cavs roster either. their current over/under is 30-31 wins, which is smack dab in-between the projected 8 seed pistons and the projected 15 seed hawks

i don't know if you were born yesterday in terms of your basketball fandom, but if you had been paying attention in the long term every team that lebron joins becomes miles better and every team he leaves implodes

Nah this forum believes LeBron James is just Corey Maggette on steroids. LBJ is a selfish player who is not that good at basketball. Kevin Love is the reason why CLE was even in the playoffs or finals all those years. Get use to everyone hating on LBJ. Greatness is always going to be hated on by the masses. I always enjoyed watching MJ.

Now if LBJ did what KD did and won back to back finals MVP’s they wouldn’t appreciate any of that but certain people on this forum believe it’s an amazing achievement to win a title playing next to three hall of famers and two of the greatest shooters of all time and beating this Cleveland Cavaliers team which will be picking in the lottery this year. Makes things a lot easier for KD.

We should go check KD’s playoff stats when he didn’t have all that help. How many finals did he go to? How many titles did he win? Harden, Ibaka, KD, Westbrook - Under the age of 24 on the same team but didn’t win anything. LeBron James never had that kind of talent when he was younger. But excuses will be made for Harden being too young (his coach chose to start a defensive minded SG instead). James Harden was breaking out that playoff run to the finals. You saw he was a star in the making. No excuses. Compare that to LeBron James having Luke Jackson from Oregon. Or DaJuan Wagner. Or how about the amazing free agent signing of Larry Hughes. Then all these KD STAN’s will argue that Russell Westbrook was a malcontent that KD could not win with. Lol that’s the funniest part of them all. KD was the reason why they lost GAME #6 in 2016 against the GSW at home to advance to the finals and it was not Russell Westbrook. I just find it hilarious for a person who hates on LeBron James and every move he made in his career. But argue in the favor of a sheep that Kevin Durant is and has become. Applauding KD and all his accomplishments the last two years but if it was LeBron James who does the exact same storyline and wins with the GSW would discredit all of the accomplishments they applaud.

Watch out for his attempt to fix his public opinion by joining the New York Knicks. He will believe and will be correct if he wins a title in a starved city like NYC and bring prominence back to Madison Square Garden. You will start to see KD’s copycat approach to LBJ winning in Cleveland

[cheese318]

i guess that the pros in vegas don't realize the skill of the cavs roster either. their current over/under is 30-31 wins, which is smack dab in-between the projected 8 seed pistons and the projected 15 seed hawks

i don't know if you were born yesterday in terms of your basketball fandom, but if you had been paying attention in the long term every team that lebron joins becomes miles better and every team he leaves implodes

The Pros in vegas are fools if they think the Cavs are that bad... mark my words you and they are dead wrong and historically Lebron has required roster moves to play around him... remember what the Cavs had before the dl last year and what they had after and now are totally different players without him, they are better without him because they knew they wouldn't be having nothing but tools in Lebrons bag of tricks like in 2010.
If you look at the facts not some generalized historical data , it's clear the Cavs are a playoff team.

such lebron disrespect

casinos love to see you show up, don't they?

It’s all good. He’s just a delusional Cavs fan. Let him move on as he’s still grieving and now for some reason he has to hate on LBJ. Can you show me a picture of your burnt LBJ jersey from 2010?

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[cheese318]

dead last after 4 games...that's nothing the damn Lakers are 1-3 and only beat the Suns. Cavs play well for a couple of quarters and clearly are not up to speed on this new system. If you can honestly say you think the Cavs are going to be bad all season, then I guess you son't see what I see on what it takes to change a system and how much it will benefit the org to stick with it win or lose for the first 20 games. If the Cavs are still unable to play this style after that point, they will change it up anyway.
This is not a theory, the Cavs roster is far superior to the one Lebron left in 2010.

I agree that they have a better roster now then 2010 but it's still not a playoff roster, It's a 30-52 type of roster. They were the best team in the east with LeBron and will miss the playoffs without him, exact same thing that happened to Miami in 2014 and Cleveland in 2010. I know the theory that Bron stunts his teammates is a popular one (with primarily the anti-Lebron crowd) but he actually brings out the best in all of them because of his ability to bend the defense his direction and his elite passing skills. You don't win in the NBA with a roster full of role players.

Yeah I fail to see the connection between any situation in the past. Of course Lebron was the best player and so of course the team played in the system that utilized his ability to draw defenses and his ability as a play maker gave them plenty of scoring opportunities etc, but to assume that suddenly that equates to the current Cavs roster not having more individual skills than what they were showing in their time on the court with Lebron as role players compared to him is inaccurate. The Cavs roster is struggling 4 games in to adjust to the new pace consistently. They are absolutely talented enough offensively to fight for a playoff spot this season, and if they can achieve the level they need to be at to play the pace that Lue has them running on both sides of the ball, I would argue they could win a playoff series.
Easy for people to be down on them right now,I get it. But they are far from a lottery lock.

A playoff series?!? You ought to put the pipe down. Are you serious. Boston, Toronto, Philadelphia & Milwaukee would all embarrass this team. Stop taking your crazy pills. This team is 25-35 win team. It’s the reality of the roster. This team has no continuity. Have they played in the playoffs the last 2-4 years together? No because this team is filled with misfits and have 2-3 players left from the previous title contending teams. I did like the move with Billy Preston as he was a top 15 talent coming out of high school and got booted from KU after about 2-4 games. Sexton, Preston, Osman & Zizic should be getting the bulk of the minutes to truly see what there future is in the NBA and with the Cleveland Cavaliers. This year should be about finding talent to build with moving forward and not a pipe dream playoff idea that you believe exists


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[Stillwater]

From the Hawks' perspective, way better than you guys tanking for two years and then become SRPs.

thats true I guess...but tbh I might rather have non guaranteed 2nds to use on cheap bench players down the road than waste the $ on a meh player in the first round in 2019... I mean if the pick falls between 12-16 you could get lucky, but it's more likely 17-21

I prefer first round picks. They are a much higher trade value plus I prefer a top 20 player in a draft over a top 40-50 player in draft. Just my assessment. Donovan Mitchell was a teener in the lottery. Odds become so much higher when you draft in the 2nd round to find a talent of that magnitude. Jimmy Butler was a very late first round pick (30th overall) so again give me those firsts any day of the week. The thought of wanting 2nd’s over 1st’s is downright crazy

I prefer to pay less for the same talent level prospect at 31 , this draft class at 20 -30 can't be that much better than 31-40 it's all boom bust or low ceiling upper classmen at that point.

[ChokeFasncists]

Greatness is always going to be hated on by the masses. I always enjoyed watching MJ.

I thought more of the mass loved MJ?

[ChokeFasncists]

i guess that the pros in vegas don't realize the skill of the cavs roster either. their current over/under is 30-31 wins, which is smack dab in-between the projected 8 seed pistons and the projected 15 seed hawks

i don't know if you were born yesterday in terms of your basketball fandom, but if you had been paying attention in the long term every team that lebron joins becomes miles better and every team he leaves implodes

The Pros in vegas are fools if they think the Cavs are that bad... mark my words you and they are dead wrong and historically Lebron has required roster moves to play around him... remember what the Cavs had before the dl last year and what they had after and now are totally different players without him, they are better without him because they knew they wouldn't be having nothing but tools in Lebrons bag of tricks like in 2010.
If you look at the facts not some generalized historical data , it's clear the Cavs are a playoff team.

such lebron disrespect

casinos love to see you show up, don't they?

Nice bump.

This team is reliant on Osman to be the go-to guy.

Sexton looks pretty raw.

Terrible defense from Love, Korver, Clarkson and Hood.

No shooting from role playing bigs Nance, TT, Zizic.

When they made those trades, I thought they were gonna trade Love and Hill and rebuild.

Keep bumping plz.