Ben Simmons Files Grievance Against Sixers To Recoup Lost Salary

[Backcountry]

This is probably being pushed by his agent who is losing money if Ben doesn't get paid.

[MartinToVaught]

Are we going to continue to ignore the dysfunction in Philly and the organizations role in all of this? Now there are reports that the players don’t like doc rivers. James Harden didn’t sign his extension and has an easy exist once Philly gets put out in the first or second round. Also, if the plan is to bring in mike dantoni how is that going to impact Joel embied? Because the only bigs that have worked with dantoni’s system are pick and roll and lob centers.

Simmons did absolutely nothing to reduce Philly's dysfunction and only added to it with his nonsense.

[br7knicks]

Good. 76ers **** it up. Hope he wins

[Speedlot]

called it

[dice]

Good. 76ers **** it up. Hope he wins

how did the sixers screw it up? because doc rivers was honest in a particular moment?

[dice]

Also, I'm not surprised a union led by CP3 is supporting Simmons. It makes sense for one choker and quitter to support another.

how is cp3 a quitter. never heard that in my life. and his playoff numbers are just as good as his regular season numbers, so hard to call him a choker either. are you trying to dump all the blame in his lap for his teams' lack of ultimate playoff success?

[Hans1984]

You didn't come to work. You won't get paid. End of story.

[dougthonus]

You didn't come to work. You won't get paid. End of story.

It is a bit more complicated then that. If he tore his ACL he wouldn't come to work and he would paid. Basically, this comes down to a few things:

1: Is mental illness an acceptable reason to miss games and still collect a check (similar to an injury)
2: Was Ben Simmons actually mentally ill and unable to play

For Simmons to get win in arbitration, you need to answer "yes" to both of these questions. The 1st of those things seems like it's probably true or else this would be an open and shut case. It's possible that it is a grey area still though.

Most people seem to think Simmons isn't mentally ill, but then they describe him in a bunch of derogatory ways that exactly describe how someone whom is seriously mentally ill would behave, and I can only think those people have never been around someone who is mentally ill before.

I absolutely think he's mentally ill, mentally ill enough not to play or even show up to be with the team? Who knows. However, I think the dude is absolutely severely psychologically damaged. Whether he should get paid for that or not is a separate issue of course. It sure is a lousy precedent for the NBA teams in an era where people fake things all the time to demand trades and change their situation to have something like this which is difficult to show / prove.

[Parataxis]

You didn't come to work. You won't get paid. End of story.

It is a bit more complicated then that. If he tore his ACL he wouldn't come to work and he would paid.

Would he? My understanding is that, unless the team lets you off on leave, you're still expected to show up even when injured, no?

Sure, you won't play or practice if you can't, but that doesn't mean that you don't need to show up to the games, show up to the practice, do video sessions, and etc...

[the_process]

This is probably being pushed by his agent who is losing money if Ben doesn't get paid.

Ben will definitely sue Klutch for lost wages if he loses arbitration.

The NBAPA is backing Ben, and the NBA is backing the Sixers.

[br7knicks]

Good. 76ers **** it up. Hope he wins

how did the sixers screw it up? because doc rivers was honest in a particular moment?

the organization should not support their players. that's what i've learned, as the 76ers way. definitely dumb. like they took a page out of the knicks playbook.

[br7knicks]

This is probably being pushed by his agent who is losing money if Ben doesn't get paid.

Ben will definitely sue Klutch for lost wages if he loses arbitration.

The NBAPA is backing Ben, and the NBA is backing the Sixers.

i rarely support unions nowadays, as they've done more harm than good, obviously.


but ben deserves to win this. get money from 76ers would be most common sense, though.

[dougthonus]

You didn't come to work. You won't get paid. End of story.

It is a bit more complicated then that. If he tore his ACL he wouldn't come to work and he would paid.

Would he? My understanding is that, unless the team lets you off on leave, you're still expected to show up even when injured, no?

Sure, you won't play or practice if you can't, but that doesn't mean that you don't need to show up to the games, show up to the practice, do video sessions, and etc...

You don't have to do anything you are unable to do because of injury. With mental illness, he could easily argue he can't do those things due to the mental illness, so I'm not sure this distinction is relevant.

[dougthonus]

This is probably being pushed by his agent who is losing money if Ben doesn't get paid.

Ben will definitely sue Klutch for lost wages if he loses arbitration.

The NBAPA is backing Ben, and the NBA is backing the Sixers.

i rarely support unions nowadays, as they've done more harm than good, obviously.


but ben deserves to win this. get money from 76ers would be most common sense, though.

The fall of unions can probably directly be correlated with the massive concentration of wealth and diminishment of the middle class. I don't know that I would say they have done more harm than good. There are definitely areas where they have made things bad though too.

[dice]

Ben will definitely sue Klutch for lost wages if he loses arbitration.

The NBAPA is backing Ben, and the NBA is backing the Sixers.

i rarely support unions nowadays, as they've done more harm than good, obviously.


but ben deserves to win this. get money from 76ers would be most common sense, though.

The fall of unions can probably directly be correlated with the massive concentration of wealth and diminishment of the middle class. I don't know that I would say they have done more harm than good. There are definitely areas where they have made things bad though too.

union participation is directly related the middle class share of wealth

[luciano-davidwesley]

Lol only in the NBA could you act like a degenerate and still expect to be paid. This would set a very bad precedent if he wins. I'm sure the owners will be watching with earnest for the ramifications this will have next time the CBA is negotiated.

[Flash4thewin]

It is a bit more complicated then that. If he tore his ACL he wouldn't come to work and he would paid.

Would he? My understanding is that, unless the team lets you off on leave, you're still expected to show up even when injured, no?

Sure, you won't play or practice if you can't, but that doesn't mean that you don't need to show up to the games, show up to the practice, do video sessions, and etc...

You don't have to do anything you are unable to do because of injury. With mental illness, he could easily argue he can't do those things due to the mental illness, so I'm not sure this distinction is relevant.

Staying fit? Thats how he injured his back, he basically went on couch potato mode, when he was traded he forced himself and hurt himself in the process. Its hard to argue mental health kept him from being physically fit to play. He was traded to the Nets and said it would take him like a month to get ready physically, that implies he did nothing. Again its very hard to argue his mental illness related to performing prevented him from something as basic as staying in shape. He could run, he could swim etc, instead he did nothing. That then speaks to his credibility or lack of credibility as well as a lack of good faith on his side.

[dougthonus]

Staying fit? Thats how he injured his back, he basically went on couch potato mode, when he was traded he forced himself and hurt himself in the process. Its hard to argue mental health kept him from being physically fit to play. He was traded to the Nets and said it would take him like a month to get ready physically, that implies he did nothing. Again its very hard to argue his mental illness related to performing prevented him from something as basic as staying in shape. He could run, he could swim etc, instead he did nothing. That then speaks to his credibility or lack of credibility as well as a lack of good faith on his side.

Mental Illness could absolutely inhibit those things. Again, when I hear people say things like this, I wonder, have you actually been close to anyone with severe mental illness?

At the same time, what relevance is him being out of shape to his suit against the 76ers for withholding money? The 76ers didn't withhold money because he was out of shape.

[digitaldropoff]

Sorry kid....you're not getting a dime. Your back can be injured...you can have mental health issues. However, you're under contract and you basically ignore your employer for months. Not only in every other job on the planet you won't get paid for not at least staying in contact or dropping by...you'd be fired as well. Back...mind, it really doesn't matter when you're under contract. If anything, he should file a grievance against anyone advising him the past 6 months...including his agent and family.

[Pickled Prunes]

Staying fit? Thats how he injured his back, he basically went on couch potato mode, when he was traded he forced himself and hurt himself in the process. Its hard to argue mental health kept him from being physically fit to play. He was traded to the Nets and said it would take him like a month to get ready physically, that implies he did nothing. Again its very hard to argue his mental illness related to performing prevented him from something as basic as staying in shape. He could run, he could swim etc, instead he did nothing. That then speaks to his credibility or lack of credibility as well as a lack of good faith on his side.

Mental Illness could absolutely inhibit those things. Again, when I hear people say things like this, I wonder, have you actually been close to anyone with severe mental illness?

At the same time, what relevance is him being out of shape to his suit against the 76ers for withholding money? The 76ers didn't withhold money because he was out of shape.

True on both accounts. But I have a hard time believing that someone with mental illness would be unable to show up for work and behave respectfully in PHI and have no issues in doing so in BRK. The pressure will be just as high in BRK. Simmons will have a tough time making his case but in the end I think PHI might just cave. Lawyers are expensive and time is valuable.