Ja Morant Receives 25-Game Suspension From NBA

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Post#21 » by MegaK » Fri Jun 16, 2023 7:28 pm

Yo Ja thuggin bro! He bout dat life! He make more in the streets than NBA bro! Dis ain't nothing for him bro! He good!
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Post#24 » by Tottery » Fri Jun 16, 2023 8:13 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:Ja Morant is a thug but even thugs have 2nd amendment rights.

Silver should have been clear that he suspended Ja due to his reckless disregard for his own safety and those around him by pointing a gun to his own head NOT because he is a lawful gun owner.


I live in TN. It's illegal to brandish a firearm, which he has done multiple times. It's also against the NBA's policy. This is pretty straight forward.
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Post#25 » by dougthonus » Fri Jun 16, 2023 8:35 pm

Tottery wrote:I live in TN. It's illegal to brandish a firearm, which he has done multiple times.


Sure doesn't sound like that is true:
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/guns-in-vehicles-in-tennessee/

Tennessee does not require a permit to carry an openly or concealed handgun in public.1 Tennessee also expressly allows a person to carry any firearm, loaded or unloaded, in a lawfully possessed motor vehicle or boat if he or she is not prohibited from purchasing or possessing a firearm.


But let's assume it is true, if there is no criminal complaint, no civil complaint, no victim in any way shape or form allegedly or in reality, then so what?

It's also against the NBA's policy. This is pretty straight forward.


I'm not aware of any such policy about the NBA not allowing its players to show a gun in social media (or guns in general). Given that guns are legal, it would be quite surprising if the NBA had such a policy around them. If you can point one out, that would definitely clarify things a lot, but I don't believe such a thing exists.
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Post#26 » by dougthonus » Fri Jun 16, 2023 8:51 pm

Given there is no accusation of a crime, there is no civil action, there is no victim allegedly or otherwise, there is no NBA rule permitting this (that I know of), and the league has a deep history of covering up drugs, domestic violence incidents, rape, and all kinds of other actual victimized felony type behavior, I'd say Ja Morant was absolutely railroaded.

Miles Bridges committed and was convicted of felony domestic assault and sent his child's mother to the hospital after choking her unconscious and we're saying that's about 20% worse than showing up on instagram live feed with a gun? GTFO of here NBA.

Morant's an absolutely moron for putting himself in this mess and not reading the political climate and not getting his head out of his rear and reading the room, but this is still insane relative to the way NBA typically suspends players. I don't know what's going on here relative to the way they typically bend over backwards to protect their stars, but it's pretty nuts, maybe that was just a David Stern thing, and Adam Silver's got a whole different agenda.
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Post#27 » by MegaK » Fri Jun 16, 2023 9:14 pm

dougthonus wrote:Given there is no accusation of a crime, there is no civil action, there is no victim allegedly or otherwise, there is no NBA rule permitting this (that I know of), and the league has a deep history of covering up drugs, domestic violence incidents, rape, and all kinds of other actual victimized felony type behavior, I'd say Ja Morant was absolutely railroaded.

Miles Bridges committed and was convicted of felony domestic assault and sent his child's mother to the hospital after choking her unconscious and we're saying that's about 20% worse than showing up on instagram live feed with a gun? GTFO of here NBA.

Morant's an absolutely moron for putting himself in this mess and not reading the political climate and not getting his head out of his rear and reading the room, but this is still insane relative to the way NBA typically suspends players. I don't know what's going on here relative to the way they typically bend over backwards to protect their stars, but it's pretty nuts, maybe that was just a David Stern thing, and Adam Silver's got a whole different agenda.


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Post#28 » by YourGM99 » Fri Jun 16, 2023 9:50 pm

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YourGM99 wrote:I have defended Adam Silver when it comes to people calling him weak by highlighting Delonte West only being suspended 10 games by David Stern after pleading guilty to weapons charges but this is weak. I was expecting him to be suspended at least half the season the way Silver has been talking…


Think about what you just wrote. Delonte West pleade guilty for commiting a crime and was suspended 10 games. Ja Morant has not been charged much less accused of committing a crime with his recent incident, and this is considered 'weak' by Adam Silver.

Ja won't do it, because he stands to make 200-300 million dollars in the future if he just accepts it and moves on, but he actual has a viable case if wanted to sue the NBA for lost wages. There's no evidence that he broke Tennessee or federal gun laws and there's no language in the collective bargaining agreement about forbidding a bare arms on social media. And with the second amendment, there's probably a reason for that. NBA players are contractors with a CBA, not employees.

Again, he stands more to gain by accepting the punishment but unless the NBA is going to put specific language in the CBA about gun possession and social media, they're walking a slippery slope.


I’m not saying the 25 game suspension is wrong but the way Adam Silver has been talking you would think it would’ve been half the season or more. So because he was talking tuff and only suspended him 25 games I’m calling him soft lol.
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Post#29 » by basketballwacko2 » Fri Jun 16, 2023 9:58 pm

I've carried a gun for about 40 years and no one sees my gun ever, it stays in a holster until I need it, no one even knows I have it. Pulling it out and waving it around is a fool move. I'm the biggest 2nd Amendment advocate the world has seen, but Ja should loose his gun rights.
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Post#30 » by basketballwacko2 » Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:06 pm

dougthonus wrote:Given there is no accusation of a crime, there is no civil action, there is no victim allegedly or otherwise, there is no NBA rule permitting this (that I know of), and the league has a deep history of covering up drugs, domestic violence incidents, rape, and all kinds of other actual victimized felony type behavior, I'd say Ja Morant was absolutely railroaded.

Miles Bridges committed and was convicted of felony domestic assault and sent his child's mother to the hospital after choking her unconscious and we're saying that's about 20% worse than showing up on instagram live feed with a gun? GTFO of here NBA.

Morant's an absolutely moron for putting himself in this mess and not reading the political climate and not getting his head out of his rear and reading the room, but this is still insane relative to the way NBA typically suspends players. I don't know what's going on here relative to the way they typically bend over backwards to protect their stars, but it's pretty nuts, maybe that was just a David Stern thing, and Adam Silver's got a whole different agenda.



I think Miles Bridges should have gotten a 50 game suspension starting as soon as he signs a contract. But allowing him to miss the season and then giving him a seemingly small suspension is not right.

That said, whether these NBA players like it or not they are role models for millions of kids and young men. I've said for years that "Social Media" will lead to the downfall of civil society. When a Ja Morant gets on one of these sites and waives his gun around like he's some kind of bad ass gangsta it tells these kids that is cool and that's the way a real badass is supposed to act. Any more of this Dumbf***ery needs to be crushed with a season long suspension. This kind of thing is what has lead our cities into the crime riddled urban hellscapes that they are today.
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Post#31 » by basketballwacko2 » Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:10 pm

A BETTER DJ wrote:Should have been for the whole season. Strike 3 should be permanently banned. NBA players are role models for our children. Glorifying thug life doesn't belong.



Will he be the next Javaris Crittenden!? :noway:
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Post#32 » by basketballwacko2 » Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:19 pm

NYKat wrote:25 games is enough, he didn’t do anything illegal for gods sake



When a person show a lack of respect for the gun the next step is shooting someone. I've carried since I was 19 and no one ever knows that I have my gun. It's not cool to pull it out and waive it around that's thug move. This kind of thing is what has lead us to an unprecedented murder rate in our cities in the USA. Not the gun but the Guy with the gun is the issue. I'm from Indianapolis, we had 245 murders in 2020, new record. In 2021 there was 271, a 2nd new record. In 2022 it dropped to 226 and our glorious idiot mayor was out talking about how nice that was! As of today there has been more than 100 murders in this city for 2023, and it's about to get stupid as summer is coming.
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Post#33 » by dougthonus » Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:20 pm

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dougthonus wrote:Given there is no accusation of a crime, there is no civil action, there is no victim allegedly or otherwise, there is no NBA rule permitting this (that I know of), and the league has a deep history of covering up drugs, domestic violence incidents, rape, and all kinds of other actual victimized felony type behavior, I'd say Ja Morant was absolutely railroaded.

Miles Bridges committed and was convicted of felony domestic assault and sent his child's mother to the hospital after choking her unconscious and we're saying that's about 20% worse than showing up on instagram live feed with a gun? GTFO of here NBA.

Morant's an absolutely moron for putting himself in this mess and not reading the political climate and not getting his head out of his rear and reading the room, but this is still insane relative to the way NBA typically suspends players. I don't know what's going on here relative to the way they typically bend over backwards to protect their stars, but it's pretty nuts, maybe that was just a David Stern thing, and Adam Silver's got a whole different agenda.



I think Miles Bridges should have gotten a 50 game suspension starting as soon as he signs a contract. But allowing him to miss the season and then giving him a seemingly small suspension is not right.

That said, whether these NBA players like it or not they are role models for millions of kids and young men. I've said for years that "Social Media" will lead to the downfall of civil society. When a Ja Morant gets on one of these sites and waives his gun around like he's some kind of bad ass gangsta it tells these kids that is cool and that's the way a real badass is supposed to act. Any more of this Dumbf***ery needs to be crushed with a season long suspension. This kind of thing is what has lead our cities into the crime riddled urban hellscapes that they are today.


You still can't make arbitrary rules up as you go along because you have decided you think something is a "bad example" especially when that thing is legal and hotly debated and supported by half the country. Our society as a whole hasn't even decided guns are bad and made them illegal, and Morant has not been accused of a crime, does not have a civil litigation against him, there is no league rule broken, and there is no victim in this act.

If you want to compare social media "mistakes", Anthony Edwards mocking gay people on social media and using anti-gay slurs would strike me as similar to what Morant did. That was a 40k fine and no suspension. I'm _significantly_ more offended by what Edwards did than what Morant did. What Edwards did actually has victims in it and it actually violates league policies around discrimination.

In terms of Morant, I care about 100x more when he allegedly punched a minor in the face over a pick up game where you know an actual crime was committed, but no one did anything about that. If you ask me if Morant has it all together, I'd say absolutely not. He's an absolute moron to behave this way, but both things can be true. He's an absolute moron, and this punishment is absolutely completely absurd by any objective measure or previous examples.
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Post#34 » by spikeslovechild » Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:20 pm

dougthonus wrote:Given there is no accusation of a crime, there is no civil action, there is no victim allegedly or otherwise, there is no NBA rule permitting this (that I know of), and the league has a deep history of covering up drugs, domestic violence incidents, rape, and all kinds of other actual victimized felony type behavior, I'd say Ja Morant was absolutely railroaded.

Miles Bridges committed and was convicted of felony domestic assault and sent his child's mother to the hospital after choking her unconscious and we're saying that's about 20% worse than showing up on instagram live feed with a gun? GTFO of here NBA.

Morant's an absolute moron for putting himself in this mess and not reading the political climate and not getting his head out of his rear and reading the room, but this is still insane relative to the way NBA typically suspends players. I don't know what's going on here relative to the way they typically bend over backwards to protect their stars, but it's pretty nuts, maybe that was just a David Stern thing, and Adam Silver's got a whole different agenda.


He does that is why he mentions the gun like owning a gun is somehow an awful thing. He probably has never fired one. He probably doesn't know anyone who owns one. He probably hires private security which is armed.

However, where I separate the two and it stops being a 2nd amendment issue is Ja pointed it at his own head. He needs help before he hurts someone else or himself. Maybe that is not the NBA role but I won't fault them for forcing him to get counseling again before stepping out on the court.

I am with you though NBA motivations seem less about actually helping Ja before there is some sort of tragedy and more about catering to their liberal fanbase on the issue of guns.
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Post#35 » by JustBuzzin » Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:50 pm

BigHustle wrote:So weak and overhyped. Just another 2 months in the club with guns.

Dude flashes a gun on IG and this is the biggest story in sports.

UFC owner Dana White beats his wife and nobody made nothing out of it. He had no suspension or anything.


Weird times we living in.
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Post#36 » by spikeslovechild » Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:40 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
BigHustle wrote:So weak and overhyped. Just another 2 months in the club with guns.

Dude flashes a gun on IG and this is the biggest story in sports.

UFC owner Dana White beats his wife and nobody made nothing out of it. He had no suspension or anything.


Weird times we living in.


He didn't flash a gun he pointed it at his own head.

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Post#37 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:12 am

spikeslovechild wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
BigHustle wrote:So weak and overhyped. Just another 2 months in the club with guns.

Dude flashes a gun on IG and this is the biggest story in sports.

UFC owner Dana White beats his wife and nobody made nothing out of it. He had no suspension or anything.


Weird times we living in.


He didn't flash a gun he pointed it at his own head.

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He didn't break any laws lmao!

Dana White beat his wife and the world went on like no big deal.


So you with a straight face telling me Ja pointing a gun is more news worthy than a UFC owner beating his wife?

It seems society is more concerned with the people who do dumb things than the people who commit crimes.
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Post#38 » by spikeslovechild » Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:25 am

The NBA has no control over the UFC actions or inaction.

Furthermore, it was covered by the media. As far as Ja breaking no laws I have no idea if he did or didn't but suicide isn't against the law either, however, I would hope that if a player was suicidal the NBA wouldn't say it's not against the law so we aren't going to do anything and instead get them the help they need.

I would agree the NBA seems to be more focused on being seen as "punishing" Ja for owning a gun rather than focusing on correcting his reckless behavior before this story ends up either in a tragedy for himself or someone else.
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Post#39 » by haste10176 » Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:31 am

spikeslovechild wrote:The NBA has no control over the UFC actions or inaction.

Furthermore, it was covered by the media. As far as Ja breaking no laws I have no idea if he did or didn't but suicide isn't against the law either, however, I would hope that if a player was suicidal the NBA wouldn't say it's not against the law so we aren't going to do anything and instead get them the help they need.

I would agree the NBA seems to be more focused on being seen as "punishing" Ja for owning a gun rather than focusing on correcting his reckless behavior before this story ends up either in a tragedy for himself or someone else.


Ja invited a teenager over to his house for a game of basketball ended up bashing him then went into his house and got his gun to continue threatning him. Ja went and threanted a guy working at a shoe shop. Ja is a bully why everyone is caring about a thug like Ja rather than his victims is beyond me. Can Ja become a better person well that would be a good outcome but people rarely change and Ja is an arsehole
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Post#40 » by haste10176 » Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:33 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Dude flashes a gun on IG and this is the biggest story in sports.

UFC owner Dana White beats his wife and nobody made nothing out of it. He had no suspension or anything.


Weird times we living in.


He didn't flash a gun he pointed it at his own head.

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He didn't break any laws lmao!

Dana White beat his wife and the world went on like no big deal.


So you with a straight face telling me Ja pointing a gun is more news worthy than a UFC owner beating his wife?

It seems society is more concerned with the people who do dumb things than the people who commit crimes.


Thats not all Ja did he beat up a teenager went into his house and got the gun to threaten him and he went and threatened a guy working at a shoe shop.. None of this is mentioned because of the same reason noone talks about the ufc owner beating his wife

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