Nets Announce Kyrie Irving Won't Play At All Until He Can Participate Fully

[SixStringAxis]

quote="arasu"]

Your comment is so ridiculously uninformed, I wonder if you can actually function in daily activities. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're just severely brainwashed and otherwise intelligent enough.

Please teach us. We are thirsty for your wisdom.

You're not interested in wisdom. Informing people who are incapable of questioning their own confirmation bias is an exercise in futility. You are just looking for someone to speak rationally towards you, so you can lash out at that unbeliever and feel emotionally satisfied. Good luck with that.[/quote]

You realize how stupid you sound to the rest of us right ? Lol. I realize you feel smart using big words but really you just sound like a conceited **** who doesn't actually offer any real facts or evidence to your argument. Everything you say at the end of the day just translates to "Iam right and you're wrong and I am not telling you why, Sheep!". That's real original ! Iam so sorry I didn't know young Michaelangelo!

[slay25]

So would a smart ass when addressing someone who labels anyone with different beliefs a "totalitarian violent extremists."

Seriously, say it out loud. Doesn't it sound ridiculous? I mean, clearly you and I have a difference of opinion, but I have no idea who you are or what you're about. You could be cool; I have no idea... but you already have me pegged. I'm a "totalitarian violent extremists."

I didn't claim that you are such a person in the "mock people" post, only that such a person would behave as such. If you prefer not to be confused with such people, maybe don't act as they do. Once it was clear that you woulud continue with the mocking and derision, I concluded that you are exactly what I thought you might be, an extremist.

And no, it's not an opinion. The past 19 months or so has been characterized by totalitarian extremism across the world, by definition. Making a claim that matches a definition isn't an opinion. Many people are okay with totalitarianism, but many of those same people take issue with being labeled as such. If you fit the bill, own it.

When I said "opinion" I really meant that you are wrong, but I'm OK with it. I don't know you so I won't label you, but I'm sure some would label you a wakadoo conspiracy nut. Not me... because I don't know you and I don't like to generalize.

But let me ask you:
Should Kyrie be required to wear pants in New York?
Should he be allowed to urinate in public?
Smoke on an Airplane?
Drive 100 mph through your neighborhood?

So some mandates are OK... but only if you understand them? Got it!

all your examples are actions. smoking on an airplane, urinating in public, those are personal actions that are exhibited outwardly. NOT putting something inside you is different. you have the right to not smoke, the right to not eat healthy, the right to not wear a condom, the right to not shower, but now you do not have the right to believe in your own immune system?

and finally, there are states in this country that don’t require you wear a helmet when you drive a motorcycle. never heard any virtue signaling from the masses about safety and hospital beds etc.

[GordanFreeman]

Your comment is so ridiculously uninformed, I wonder if you can actually function in daily activities. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're just severely brainwashed and otherwise intelligent enough.

Please teach us. We are thirsty for your wisdom.

You're not interested in wisdom. Informing people who are incapable of questioning their own confirmation bias is an exercise in futility. You are just looking for someone to speak rationally towards you, so you can lash out at that unbeliever and feel emotionally satisfied. Good luck with that.

You seem very irritated. Step away from your computer, have a snickers, and do a few mins of breathing exercises. Then come back and teach us uneducated folk.

[arasu]

So would a smart ass when addressing someone who labels anyone with different beliefs a "totalitarian violent extremists."

Seriously, say it out loud. Doesn't it sound ridiculous? I mean, clearly you and I have a difference of opinion, but I have no idea who you are or what you're about. You could be cool; I have no idea... but you already have me pegged. I'm a "totalitarian violent extremists."

I didn't claim that you are such a person in the "mock people" post, only that such a person would behave as such. If you prefer not to be confused with such people, maybe don't act as they do. Once it was clear that you woulud continue with the mocking and derision, I concluded that you are exactly what I thought you might be, an extremist.

And no, it's not an opinion. The past 19 months or so has been characterized by totalitarian extremism across the world, by definition. Making a claim that matches a definition isn't an opinion. Many people are okay with totalitarianism, but many of those same people take issue with being labeled as such. If you fit the bill, own it.

When I said "opinion" I really meant that you are wrong, but I'm OK with it. I don't know you so I won't label you, but I'm sure some would label you a wakadoo conspiracy nut. Not me... because I don't know you and I don't like to generalize.

But let me ask you:
Should Kyrie be required to wear pants in New York?
Should he be allowed to urinate in public?
Smoke on an Airplane?
Drive 100 mph through your neighborhood?

So some mandates are OK... but only if you understand them? Got it!

I've spent the last 19 months arguing the nuances of how freedom works, and how it doesn't. I've run across the same parroted excuses as you posted above. I'm of the strong impression that you aren't one to overcome confirmation bias. Your quickness to mockery demonstrates a serious lack of willingness to question your own beliefs. Such a person can't come to a conversation in good faith. There is a difference between a debate and a rational argument, and rationality requires the willingness to concede points. I've wasted too much time on people who think I'm here to debate or exchange ridicule or "opinions".

*Anyone reading this who may be interested in a more in depth discussion on the obvious trend towards totalitarianism, feel free to address me, or even message me in private. Anyone who is uninterested in a good faith discussion, maybe don't bother, because I won't be provoked by nonsense.

[slay25]

people are so angry and hate a specific group of people because people in power have told them they are dangerous and a threat to their livelihood and that they should be treated differently and should be shunned from society. hmmm i think i’ve heard this before….. didn’t end well.

[jstudabaka]

He's a knucklehead and the Nets made the right call here. He would be a net negative as a constant distraction. Basketball arenas are a highly public place -- and in a highly public place, what you can and can not do is subject to laws around public health and safety.

[Tjukster]

What happened to every day testing instead of vaccination as an alternative to participate? I am a proponent of vaccinating, but if you don’t want it, everyday testing could be a great alternative to still safely participate.

[arasu]

people are so angry and hate a specific group of people because people in power have told them they are dangerous and a threat to their livelihood and that they should be treated differently and should be shunned from society. hmmm i think i’ve heard this before….. didn’t end well.

It's so obvious to anyone even remotely knowledgeable about history, it says a lot about the ignorance we are surrounded by.

[arasu]

What happened to every day testing instead of vaccination as an alternative to participate? I am a proponent of vaccinating, but if you don’t want it, everyday testing could be a great alternative to still safely participate.

Extremist policies in New York and San Francisco happened.

[jstudabaka]

people are so angry and hate a specific group of people because people in power have told them they are dangerous and a threat to their livelihood and that they should be treated differently and should be shunned from society. hmmm i think i’ve heard this before….. didn’t end well.

What you're getting at can be dispelled with minimal application of common sense and basic facts. The kind of unjust treatment against groups you're alluding to is considered wrong because it was directed at people because of who they are, not what they do. Kyrie Irving chooses to intake bad information about subjects on which he is not an expert and then make bad decisions. A reasonable person can readily understand that there is a global pandemic in which a highly contagious virus has killed many people and as a result governments are going to need to take actions to address it.

[jstudabaka]

What happened to every day testing instead of vaccination as an alternative to participate? I am a proponent of vaccinating, but if you don’t want it, everyday testing could be a great alternative to still safely participate.

Yeah the state of New York says that doesn't cut it unless there's a valid medical exemption. Which is entirely reasonable.

[arasu]

Please teach us. We are thirsty for your wisdom.

You're not interested in wisdom. Informing people who are incapable of questioning their own confirmation bias is an exercise in futility. You are just looking for someone to speak rationally towards you, so you can lash out at that unbeliever and feel emotionally satisfied. Good luck with that.

You seem very irritated. Step away from your computer, have a snickers, and do a few mins of breathing exercises. Then come back and teach us uneducated folk.

You are the one pushing policies. The onus is on you to prove beyond a great degree of doubt that your policy choices should be allowed to substantially limit basic human rights. Even the SCOTUS decision on vaccines so long ago made it clear that vaccine mandates limit basic rights, and can only be allowed when they pass a sufficient threshold to protect public safety.

Since public safety has always been the excuse for falsely limiting civil and human rights, the threshold for evidence should be relatively uncontroversial and definitely must involve complete and unfettered public discourse. Neither of those conditions have yet to be satisfied.

[arasu]

What happened to every day testing instead of vaccination as an alternative to participate? I am a proponent of vaccinating, but if you don’t want it, everyday testing could be a great alternative to still safely participate.

Yeah the state of New York says that doesn't cut it unless there's a valid medical exemption. Which is entirely reasonable.

Not even close to reasonable. Read my post above.

[SixStringAxis]

I didn't claim that you are such a person in the "mock people" post, only that such a person would behave as such. If you prefer not to be confused with such people, maybe don't act as they do. Once it was clear that you woulud continue with the mocking and derision, I concluded that you are exactly what I thought you might be, an extremist.

And no, it's not an opinion. The past 19 months or so has been characterized by totalitarian extremism across the world, by definition. Making a claim that matches a definition isn't an opinion. Many people are okay with totalitarianism, but many of those same people take issue with being labeled as such. If you fit the bill, own it.

When I said "opinion" I really meant that you are wrong, but I'm OK with it. I don't know you so I won't label you, but I'm sure some would label you a wakadoo conspiracy nut. Not me... because I don't know you and I don't like to generalize.

But let me ask you:
Should Kyrie be required to wear pants in New York?
Should he be allowed to urinate in public?
Smoke on an Airplane?
Drive 100 mph through your neighborhood?

So some mandates are OK... but only if you understand them? Got it!

I've spent the last 19 months arguing the nuances of how freedom works, and how it doesn't. I've run across the same parroted excuses as you posted above. I'm of the strong impression that you aren't one to overcome confirmation bias. Your quickness to mockery demonstrates a serious lack of willingness to question your own beliefs. Such a person can't come to a conversation in good faith. There is a difference between a debate and a rational argument, and rationality requires the willingness to concede points. I've wasted too much time on people who think I'm here to debate or exchange ridicule or "opinions".

*Anyone reading this who may be interested in a more in depth discussion on the obvious trend towards totalitarianism, feel free to address me, or even message me in private. Anyone who is uninterested in a good faith discussion, maybe don't bother, because I won't be provoked by nonsense.

How about you offer some actual facts and arguments instead of every post being about how we are? How somehow you're mind and thought processes are so much smarter than ours?

Explain buddy how actively endangering fellow citizens by not getting the vaccine and the govt trying to stop people from endangering people.. is somehow such determent to your freedoms. Last time I checked almost every law is built around making sure a person can't harm another person. You can bend the argument as far as you want but at the end of the day that comment sense fact you will never be able to counter.

[arasu]

people are so angry and hate a specific group of people because people in power have told them they are dangerous and a threat to their livelihood and that they should be treated differently and should be shunned from society. hmmm i think i’ve heard this before….. didn’t end well.

What you're getting at can be dispelled with minimal application of common sense and basic facts. The kind of unjust treatment against groups you're alluding to is considered wrong because it was directed at people because of who they are, not what they do. Kyrie Irving chooses to intake bad information about subjects on which he is not an expert and then make bad decisions. A reasonable person can readily understand that there is a global pandemic in which a highly contagious virus has killed many people and as a result governments are going to need to take actions to address it.

There is a concerted effort to politically marginalize and criminalize skepticism and skeptics. It's as much who we are as any religious or ethnic identity. The "conspiracy theorist" accusation is a prime example of purposeful political marginalization of anyone who opposes the new ideological religion. It's sick and disgusting. It's time for folks like you to open your eyes and stop with the pointless extremism.

[Tjukster]

What happened to every day testing instead of vaccination as an alternative to participate? I am a proponent of vaccinating, but if you don’t want it, everyday testing could be a great alternative to still safely participate.

Yeah the state of New York says that doesn't cut it unless there's a valid medical exemption. Which is entirely reasonable.

Not even close to reasonable. Read my post above.

Why it is not reasonable? I know a few people in Europe who have testing as an alternative option to vaccination. I think this is sufficient. I mean, what is the actual goal here? Safety of people in the building to get COVID and get substantially ill right? Then testing should give more assurances that the person in question is free of the disease at the time of the event. I absolutely am for vaccinations, and I think it is unwise not to be vaccinated against COVID, but there must be an alternative to still participate for people who choose to not be vaccinated

[RipCityKJ]

This rule makes no sense, so stop pretending it's about covid/health. Unvaccinated players can play in "private business building" to practice as if covid doesn't work there. They can also play on the road, just not on their home court. All of these players agreed to do covid test, so the risk to anyone is minimal. It's about control, not science.

“Private Business Buildings” wtf are you talking about? Name one arena in the US that has been built without tax payer money? You can’t because it doesn’t exist!! You also pay fees with every ticket bought that is a tax meant for arena upkeep, so not only do the billionaire owners get away with not paying for the buildings, they collect all the revenue while continuously taxing you for the building maintenance. So I ask you who’s the real sheep?

[jstudabaka]

What happened to every day testing instead of vaccination as an alternative to participate? I am a proponent of vaccinating, but if you don’t want it, everyday testing could be a great alternative to still safely participate.

Yeah the state of New York says that doesn't cut it unless there's a valid medical exemption. Which is entirely reasonable.

Not even close to reasonable. Read my post above.

Yeah, your post is nonsensical. All legal precedent points towards their being plenty basis for vaccine requirements being legal. Also, OSHA regulations clearly allow for rules to protect workers from contagious diseases. Stop playing meme-lord Constitutional scholar. Even for right-wing judges, this is a slam-dunk no-brainer.

[jstudabaka]

What happened to every day testing instead of vaccination as an alternative to participate? I am a proponent of vaccinating, but if you don’t want it, everyday testing could be a great alternative to still safely participate.

Yeah the state of New York says that doesn't cut it unless there's a valid medical exemption. Which is entirely reasonable.

Not even close to reasonable. Read my post above.

Yeah, your post is nonsensical. All legal precedent points towards their being plenty basis for vaccine requirements being legal. Also, OSHA regulations clearly allow for rules to protect workers from contagious diseases. Stop playing meme-lord Constitutional scholar. Even for right-wing judges, this is a slam-dunk no-brainer.

[arasu]

When I said "opinion" I really meant that you are wrong, but I'm OK with it. I don't know you so I won't label you, but I'm sure some would label you a wakadoo conspiracy nut. Not me... because I don't know you and I don't like to generalize.

But let me ask you:
Should Kyrie be required to wear pants in New York?
Should he be allowed to urinate in public?
Smoke on an Airplane?
Drive 100 mph through your neighborhood?

So some mandates are OK... but only if you understand them? Got it!

I've spent the last 19 months arguing the nuances of how freedom works, and how it doesn't. I've run across the same parroted excuses as you posted above. I'm of the strong impression that you aren't one to overcome confirmation bias. Your quickness to mockery demonstrates a serious lack of willingness to question your own beliefs. Such a person can't come to a conversation in good faith. There is a difference between a debate and a rational argument, and rationality requires the willingness to concede points. I've wasted too much time on people who think I'm here to debate or exchange ridicule or "opinions".

*Anyone reading this who may be interested in a more in depth discussion on the obvious trend towards totalitarianism, feel free to address me, or even message me in private. Anyone who is uninterested in a good faith discussion, maybe don't bother, because I won't be provoked by nonsense.

How about you offer some actual facts and arguments instead of every post being about how we are? How somehow you're mind and thought processes are so much smarter than ours?

Explain buddy how actively endangering fellow citizens by not getting the vaccine and the govt trying to stop people from endangering people.. is somehow such determent to your freedoms. Last time I checked almost every law is built around making sure a person can't harm another person. You can bend the argument as far as you want but at the end of the day that comment sense fact you will never be able to counter, period.

It's clear to me, that you aren't here for facts. Like I wrote before, most people are just going to use me as a source of derision, someone to attack and make themselves feel superior and as part of a group. It's clear that you're deeply entrenched in your propaganda, and overcoming confirmation bias is the furthest thing from your mind. You wouldn't need me to present facts, if you were genuinely interested. So making that claim to me seems to be nothing but an excuse for you to trash another person.

I may be wrong about you. If so, then start questioning your beliefs, BEFORE you start advocating for policies.