Ben Simmons Files Grievance Against Sixers To Recoup Lost Salary

[luciano-davidwesley]

Staying fit? Thats how he injured his back, he basically went on couch potato mode, when he was traded he forced himself and hurt himself in the process. Its hard to argue mental health kept him from being physically fit to play. He was traded to the Nets and said it would take him like a month to get ready physically, that implies he did nothing. Again its very hard to argue his mental illness related to performing prevented him from something as basic as staying in shape. He could run, he could swim etc, instead he did nothing. That then speaks to his credibility or lack of credibility as well as a lack of good faith on his side.

Mental Illness could absolutely inhibit those things. Again, when I hear people say things like this, I wonder, have you actually been close to anyone with severe mental illness?

At the same time, what relevance is him being out of shape to his suit against the 76ers for withholding money? The 76ers didn't withhold money because he was out of shape.

True on both accounts. But I have a hard time believing that someone with mental illness would be unable to show up for work and behave respectfully in PHI and have no issues in doing so in BRK. The pressure will be just as high in BRK. Simmons will have a tough time making his case but in the end I think PHI might just cave. Lawyers are expensive and time is valuable.

This is personal and petty on both sides now. No way the 76ers cave unless they lose at arbitration. Even then they probably appeal.

[OogaBooga]

lmao what a little bitch boy

[Darthlukey]

Lol only in the NBA could you act like a degenerate and still expect to be paid. This would set a very bad precedent if he wins. I'm sure the owners will be watching with earnest for the ramifications this will have next time the CBA is negotiated.

This! The NBPA should be leaving Simmons out to dry, cos if he gets anything close to a win the owners are going to smash the players in the next cba agreement. Far-fetched, but they could even try and resort to non-guaranteed contracts

[ozthegap]

Lol only in the NBA could you act like a degenerate and still expect to be paid. This would set a very bad precedent if he wins. I'm sure the owners will be watching with earnest for the ramifications this will have next time the CBA is negotiated.

This! The NBPA should be leaving Simmons out to dry, cos if he gets anything close to a win the owners are going to smash the players in the next cba agreement. Far-fetched, but they could even try and resort to non-guaranteed contracts

The NBPA might not have the right to choose to stay out of it here. It would have to be something crazy like the Gilbert Arenas gun incident for them to be able to duck out on a member of the union.

Also I’m pretty sure this is more klutch then Ben. Not that I think Klutch needed to try hard to convince Ben but klutch always seems like they try to squeeze teams as much for every dime they can for their clients

[ozthegap]

Lol only in the NBA could you act like a degenerate and still expect to be paid. This would set a very bad precedent if he wins. I'm sure the owners will be watching with earnest for the ramifications this will have next time the CBA is negotiated.

This! The NBPA should be leaving Simmons out to dry, cos if he gets anything close to a win the owners are going to smash the players in the next cba agreement. Far-fetched, but they could even try and resort to non-guaranteed contracts

The NBPA might not have the right to choose to stay out of it here. It would have to be something crazy like the Gilbert Arenas gun incident for them to be able to duck out on a member of the union.

Also I’m pretty sure this is more klutch then Ben. Not that I think Klutch needed to try hard to convince Ben but klutch always seems like they try to squeeze teams as much for every dime they can for their clients

[Topofthekey]

Are we going to continue to ignore the dysfunction in Philly and the organizations role in all of this? Now there are reports that the players don’t like doc rivers. James Harden didn’t sign his extension and has an easy exist once Philly gets put out in the first or second round. Also, if the plan is to bring in mike dantoni how is that going to impact Joel embied? Because the only bigs that have worked with dantoni’s system are pick and roll and lob centers.

Yes actually. Because even if the organization is bad, and the coach is a clown you have to come to work to get paid.

He was out for medical reasons… . Kawhi did the same thing in San Antonio, he was cleared to play but continued to sit...

Very good point

If Spurs had to continue paying Kawhi his salary while he sat, I don't see why Sixers should be exempt from paying Simmons

[dougthonus]

True on both accounts. But I have a hard time believing that someone with mental illness would be unable to show up for work and behave respectfully in PHI and have no issues in doing so in BRK. The pressure will be just as high in BRK. Simmons will have a tough time making his case but in the end I think PHI might just cave. Lawyers are expensive and time is valuable.

It depends what is going on, but given that his mental issues (if legitimate) definitely stem from his treatment in Philly, I absolutely could see how he would not be able to do that. I'm not taking the stance that Ben Simmons has severe mental illness and couldn't have done more. I am taking the stance that if he did, it would probably look just like this, and if he didn't, it would also look just like this.

Either way, I said before, if I were another team, I wouldn't touch Simmons with a 10 foot pole. If he's really so bad that he couldn't play, it's unlikely he'll ever really be able to come out of it and contribute under pressure in a meaningful situation. If he's faking it, it's hard for me to think of a much lower set of words I would use to describe him, and I also wouldn't want him around.

[dougthonus]

Mental Illness could absolutely inhibit those things. Again, when I hear people say things like this, I wonder, have you actually been close to anyone with severe mental illness?

At the same time, what relevance is him being out of shape to his suit against the 76ers for withholding money? The 76ers didn't withhold money because he was out of shape.

True on both accounts. But I have a hard time believing that someone with mental illness would be unable to show up for work and behave respectfully in PHI and have no issues in doing so in BRK. The pressure will be just as high in BRK. Simmons will have a tough time making his case but in the end I think PHI might just cave. Lawyers are expensive and time is valuable.

This is personal and petty on both sides now. No way the 76ers cave unless they lose at arbitration. Even then they probably appeal.

I mean once you are in arbitration, there's really no need to cave. Arbitration shouldn't be a particularly expensive process. The 76ers definitely have more money than Simmons to fight an extended legal battle. I'm not an expert on this type of thing, but I doubt arbitration can be appealed.

[Pickled Prunes]

True on both accounts. But I have a hard time believing that someone with mental illness would be unable to show up for work and behave respectfully in PHI and have no issues in doing so in BRK. The pressure will be just as high in BRK. Simmons will have a tough time making his case but in the end I think PHI might just cave. Lawyers are expensive and time is valuable.

This is personal and petty on both sides now. No way the 76ers cave unless they lose at arbitration. Even then they probably appeal.

I mean once you are in arbitration, there's really no need to cave. Arbitration shouldn't be a particularly expensive process. The 76ers definitely have more money than Simmons to fight an extended legal battle. I'm not an expert on this type of thing, but I doubt arbitration can be appealed.

I don't believe Simmons has to pay a nickle. The Players Union fights for him. I may be wrong about that but that's generally how unions work. All the players in the league are paying for it with their union dues.

[Pickled Prunes]

True on both accounts. But I have a hard time believing that someone with mental illness would be unable to show up for work and behave respectfully in PHI and have no issues in doing so in BRK. The pressure will be just as high in BRK. Simmons will have a tough time making his case but in the end I think PHI might just cave. Lawyers are expensive and time is valuable.

It depends what is going on, but given that his mental issues (if legitimate) definitely stem from his treatment in Philly, I absolutely could see how he would not be able to do that. I'm not taking the stance that Ben Simmons has severe mental illness and couldn't have done more. I am taking the stance that if he did, it would probably look just like this, and if he didn't, it would also look just like this.

Either way, I said before, if I were another team, I wouldn't touch Simmons with a 10 foot pole. If he's really so bad that he couldn't play, it's unlikely he'll ever really be able to come out of it and contribute under pressure in a meaningful situation. If he's faking it, it's hard for me to think of a much lower set of words I would use to describe him, and I also wouldn't want him around.

i agree, but just like with a tweaked ankle, I would guess that BRK did their due diligence and came to the conclusion that Simmons would be fine. If so, that doesn't look good for his case. Rarely is anxiety so narrowly targeted. He is going to get heckled at the free throw line in every opposing arena.

I agree with you about not touching Simmons. As a POR fan, the Simmons trade rumors were the worst part of this season. The tanking sucks, but at least we aren't tied to Simmons for the next four years.

[Am2626]

Are we going to continue to ignore the dysfunction in Philly and the organizations role in all of this? Now there are reports that the players don’t like doc rivers. James Harden didn’t sign his extension and has an easy exist once Philly gets put out in the first or second round. Also, if the plan is to bring in mike dantoni how is that going to impact Joel embied? Because the only bigs that have worked with dantoni’s system are pick and roll and lob centers.

Simmons did absolutely nothing to reduce Philly's dysfunction and only added to it with his nonsense.

Did Ben Simmons start the dysfunction in Philly? Not having dysfunction in an organization starts at the organizational level. Also, he is not the first player in Philly who has dealt with mental health issues in recent years. If I remember correctly Fultz had some issues there as well. There appears to be issues within the organization, I could be wrong but I don’t think Ben Simmons created all of the dysfunction in Philly.

There are several organizations in the NBA that has some level of dysfunction. Being a professional athlete and getting millions of dollars for it puts you in the spotlight and any criticism that an athlete gets comes with the job. When this whole thing started and Simmons refused to show up did he cite any challenges with Mental Health at that time? From what I remember this came out a lot later which makes it sound like he is using it as an excuse to get what he wants. He doesn’t deserve anything. He should be blackballed from the league. He has shown to be entitled and a me first type of person. It’s a complete joke and it takes away from people that actually deal with mental health issues. Sick of this guy.