NBA Players Increasingly Switching To Plant-Based Diet

[pootbrah]

stay woke fam

but forreal go vegan everyone. its the best way in every single way. there literally isnt a single valid argument against it.

What the vegans dont realize, is that most plant based food is grown in green houses, roots never touch soil but rather grow in troughs of fertilizers. they are eating nitrates, nothing but nitrate, phosphorous and pottassium. NPK major components of fertilizer.

Um, yeah, that's BS. Over 90 million acres of land is used to grow corn in the US alone. Clearly you've never been to the Midwest.

Oh god, how is this not common knowledge by now??? (sorry not trying to be condescending - just the same bs and arguments over and over and over)

~85% of plant agriculture goes directly into animal agriculture. So no you arent doing the environment a favour by eating meat lmao. Want the reference, google it, watch a doco, learn for yourself.

edit: hol' up I might be confused of the quoting and your argument. please proceed.

[pootbrah]

I got you. I have several friends that claim to be "vegan" but are actually just strict vegetarians. It's too hard because eggs and dairy products are everywhere. And a lot of organic products are sweetened with honey (bee vomit) instead of sugar. Not saying it's a poor life choice, just very difficult. (Side note, if you eat fish you are not vegi or vegan. You are an omnivore.)

I personally eat all kinds of meat... because I'm a good American!

Fish and veggies is called pescatarian actually.

Is there some reason fishes are seen by some as a lesser form of life so they can be eaten?
And plants too?

hhahahahahaha funny af, didnt know plants had a central nervous system?

[pootbrah]

Unless they are supplementing their diets with milk or soy I don't know how they have enough caloric intake and protein for recovery with all the exertions they have. I work out and cycle between eating 2500 calories and 1500 and that's hard enough. When I'm on a cut I eat some of the morning star fake chicken/sausage/beef stuff isn't bad. I'm sure they probably have better options than that. If they are whatever the true vegs are and don't drink milk or whey protien that would suck to try to build muscle off soy. That stuff is horrible.

100g of brocolli has more protein than 100g of beef and please never supplement your diet with milk. you aint a baby cow brah you dont need them hormones.

[pootbrah]

Fish and veggies is called pescatarian actually.

Is there some reason fishes are seen by some as a lesser form of life so they can be eaten?
And plants too?

Basically it's cause animals are cute and lovable and fish aren't. That would be my guess anyway

dont have vocal cords so they cant squeel in pain and thus do they even feel pain brah?

[pootbrah]

Gotta love how the blurb really just conflates a bunch of things and then credits it all to a "plant based diet" and quotes the pseudo-science documentary "What the Health" as an authority.

Playing lighter after years of bulking up will put less stress on the lower body, that's obvious.

It's not obvious that eating a plant based diet has anything to do with "energy levels" or lower injury risk. If as part of that diet Kyrie isn't going out and drinking shots on road trips and is getting more quality sleep than of course he's going to have more energy.

There are good reasons to eat less meat, most of them are environmental, a few health related.

There's not much evidence that eating a plant based diet is a "miracle cure" for everything from energy levels to cancer to knee injuries among NBA players. In fact just last year many doctors (like actual doctors, not just documentary makers) lamented the fact that so many NBA players are calcium deficient because they don't drink enough milk and in general don't get enough calcium growing up leaving their bones more brittle than prior generations of players.

please link this study lmao

the highest dairy consumers are most prone to osteoporosis the very thing dairy is meant to prevent.

[pootbrah]

Is there some reason fishes are seen by some as a lesser form of life so they can be eaten?
And plants too?

Fish are practically vegetables (Ron Swanson), so if you're pascatarian, just go ahead call yourself a vegetarian.

But that is a great point, and I have raised anytime someone tried to use "morality" to convince me to be a vegan. What makes an animal's life more important than a plant's? or a Chicken's life more important than that of a fish?

Also, there is a school of thought that suggest it was the agricultural revolution that has directly lead to many of the problems we have today. I.E. we stopped hunting and gathering and started farming. In turn we had more food than ever, and more free time, so we started to reproduce, so we needed more food, meaning we needed more land, and the constant expansion of these civilizations, due to the need for space and resources is what lead mankind down the wormhole of perpetual war.

So on a "super-woke level," becoming a vegan perpetuates all these evils. What's up, Kyrie?

A good (fictional) book about it, that is recommended reading for high school kids is "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn.

Yeah, if we ALL went vegan/vegetarian the world would be ****. There wouldn't be enough land to make enough food. If anything vegans/vegetarians pit more stress on agriculture and therefore the environment. Plus it's really expensive for the average joe to afford a vegan diet

please see my above post jesus christ

[pootbrah]

Fish are practically vegetables (Ron Swanson), so if you're pascatarian, just go ahead call yourself a vegetarian.

But that is a great point, and I have raised anytime someone tried to use "morality" to convince me to be a vegan. What makes an animal's life more important than a plant's? or a Chicken's life more important than that of a fish?

Also, there is a school of thought that suggest it was the agricultural revolution that has directly lead to many of the problems we have today. I.E. we stopped hunting and gathering and started farming. In turn we had more food than ever, and more free time, so we started to reproduce, so we needed more food, meaning we needed more land, and the constant expansion of these civilizations, due to the need for space and resources is what lead mankind down the wormhole of perpetual war.

So on a "super-woke level," becoming a vegan perpetuates all these evils. What's up, Kyrie?

A good (fictional) book about it, that is recommended reading for high school kids is "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn.

Yeah, if we ALL went vegan/vegetarian the world would be ****. There wouldn't be enough land to make enough food. If anything vegans/vegetarians pit more stress on agriculture and therefore the environment. Plus it's really expensive for the average joe to afford a vegan diet

At least in the US, most cropland is used for commodity crops like corn, soy, hay/alfalfa, and wheat, in that order. The majority of the first three are used to feed animals or for fuel (ethanol/biodiesel). Not counting wheat, cropland for food accounts for only 3% of total acreage. (Source: USDA Economic Research service: https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/84880/eib-178.pdf?v=42972)

But crops to feed animals are not an efficient use of that land, calorically speaking:

Yes, the corn fed to animals does produce valuable food to people, mainly in the form of dairy and meat products, but only after suffering major losses of calories and protein along the way. For corn-fed animals, the efficiency of converting grain to meat and dairy calories ranges from roughly 3 percent to 40 percent, depending on the animal production system in question. What this all means is that little of the corn crop actually ends up feeding American people. It’s just math. The average Iowa cornfield has the potential to deliver more than 15 million calories per acre each year (enough to sustain 14 people per acre, with a 3,000 calorie-per-day diet, if we ate all of the corn ourselves), but with the current allocation of corn to ethanol and animal production, we end up with an estimated 3 million calories of food per acre per year, mainly as dairy and meat products, enough to sustain only three people per acre. That is lower than the average delivery of food calories from farms in Bangladesh, Egypt and Vietnam.

(Source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/time-to-rethink-corn/)

Which is to say, we have plenty of cropland to feed every American a vegan diet. Whether we should is another discussion.

whats the discussion? whats the argument? people are pieces of chit and care more for their own satisfaction and feeding their addiction than making a positive change on the world and rhetorically enough themselves?

ok i think i responded to most **** on this thread see you tomorrow.

[the_process]

Gotta love how the blurb really just conflates a bunch of things and then credits it all to a "plant based diet" and quotes the pseudo-science documentary "What the Health" as an authority.

Playing lighter after years of bulking up will put less stress on the lower body, that's obvious.

It's not obvious that eating a plant based diet has anything to do with "energy levels" or lower injury risk. If as part of that diet Kyrie isn't going out and drinking shots on road trips and is getting more quality sleep than of course he's going to have more energy.

There are good reasons to eat less meat, most of them are environmental, a few health related.

There's not much evidence that eating a plant based diet is a "miracle cure" for everything from energy levels to cancer to knee injuries among NBA players. In fact just last year many doctors (like actual doctors, not just documentary makers) lamented the fact that so many NBA players are calcium deficient because they don't drink enough milk and in general don't get enough calcium growing up leaving their bones more brittle than prior generations of players.

please link this study lmao

the highest dairy consumers are most prone to osteoporosis the very thing dairy is meant to prevent.

Please link your study. People who use the term 'brah' don't rate highly on the instant credibility scale, sorry.

[the_process]

Is there some reason fishes are seen by some as a lesser form of life so they can be eaten?
And plants too?

Basically it's cause animals are cute and lovable and fish aren't. That would be my guess anyway

dont have vocal cords so they cant squeel in pain and thus do they even feel pain brah?

Which proves Harry Garris' point. Just because they don't make noise or process pain as we do, doesn't mean they don't feel pain.

[Pennebaker]

So is the rest of the world.

[Lalouie]

the nba is getting away from strength because you dont need it anymore. everyone's a greyhound. walton entered the league full vegan and he got bounced around so he had to start adding strength and weight,,,,,,and MEAT.

thats not today's

hopefully the book is closing on all the dumb comparisons between players of different generation because not only are the rules changing, the body types are adapting to the changes as well.

[Clyde Frazier]

"It works," Irving tells B/R Mag. "I mean, I'm not eating a whole bunch of animals anymore. Once you become awake, you don't see that stuff anymore."

Stop trying to be philosophical...

[alienpick]

Fish are practically vegetables (Ron Swanson), so if you're pascatarian, just go ahead call yourself a vegetarian.

But that is a great point, and I have raised anytime someone tried to use "morality" to convince me to be a vegan. What makes an animal's life more important than a plant's? or a Chicken's life more important than that of a fish?

Also, there is a school of thought that suggest it was the agricultural revolution that has directly lead to many of the problems we have today. I.E. we stopped hunting and gathering and started farming. In turn we had more food than ever, and more free time, so we started to reproduce, so we needed more food, meaning we needed more land, and the constant expansion of these civilizations, due to the need for space and resources is what lead mankind down the wormhole of perpetual war.

So on a "super-woke level," becoming a vegan perpetuates all these evils. What's up, Kyrie?

A good (fictional) book about it, that is recommended reading for high school kids is "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn.

Yeah, if we ALL went vegan/vegetarian the world would be ****. There wouldn't be enough land to make enough food. If anything vegans/vegetarians pit more stress on agriculture and therefore the environment. Plus it's really expensive for the average joe to afford a vegan diet

At least in the US, most cropland is used for commodity crops like corn, soy, hay/alfalfa, and wheat, in that order. The majority of the first three are used to feed animals or for fuel (ethanol/biodiesel). Not counting wheat, cropland for food accounts for only 3% of total acreage. (Source: USDA Economic Research service: https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/84880/eib-178.pdf?v=42972)

But crops to feed animals are not an efficient use of that land, calorically speaking:

Yes, the corn fed to animals does produce valuable food to people, mainly in the form of dairy and meat products, but only after suffering major losses of calories and protein along the way. For corn-fed animals, the efficiency of converting grain to meat and dairy calories ranges from roughly 3 percent to 40 percent, depending on the animal production system in question. What this all means is that little of the corn crop actually ends up feeding American people. It’s just math. The average Iowa cornfield has the potential to deliver more than 15 million calories per acre each year (enough to sustain 14 people per acre, with a 3,000 calorie-per-day diet, if we ate all of the corn ourselves), but with the current allocation of corn to ethanol and animal production, we end up with an estimated 3 million calories of food per acre per year, mainly as dairy and meat products, enough to sustain only three people per acre. That is lower than the average delivery of food calories from farms in Bangladesh, Egypt and Vietnam.

(Source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/time-to-rethink-corn/)

Which is to say, we have plenty of cropland to feed every American a vegan diet. Whether we should is another discussion.

You can't cut out wheat from your statistics than try to make your point of it only being 3%. Since wheat is a major source of food for humans and therefore should be included. Also not all corn is animal feed. You can't just cherry pick and skew numbers to make your point.

The point of using land to feed animals destined for slaughter is valid as the land could be better used from a calorie stand point

[Pickled Prunes]

What the vegans dont realize, is that most plant based food is grown in green houses, roots never touch soil but rather grow in troughs of fertilizers. they are eating nitrates, nothing but nitrate, phosphorous and pottassium. NPK major components of fertilizer.

Um, yeah, that's BS. Over 90 million acres of land is used to grow corn in the US alone. Clearly you've never been to the Midwest.

Oh god, how is this not common knowledge by now??? (sorry not trying to be condescending - just the same bs and arguments over and over and over)

~85% of plant agriculture goes directly into animal agriculture. So no you arent doing the environment a favour by eating meat lmao. Want the reference, google it, watch a doco, learn for yourself.

edit: hol' up I might be confused of the quoting and your argument. please proceed.

Nothing is common knowledge. Remember that this all started because a guy that thinks the world is flat changed his diet.

But yeah, I think you misread me because we agree.

[12footrim]

Unless they are supplementing their diets with milk or soy I don't know how they have enough caloric intake and protein for recovery with all the exertions they have. I work out and cycle between eating 2500 calories and 1500 and that's hard enough. When I'm on a cut I eat some of the morning star fake chicken/sausage/beef stuff isn't bad. I'm sure they probably have better options than that. If they are whatever the true vegs are and don't drink milk or whey protien that would suck to try to build muscle off soy. That stuff is horrible.

100g of brocolli has more protein than 100g of beef and please never supplement your diet with milk. you aint a baby cow brah you dont need them hormones.

That sounded way off.

http://www.beefmagazine.com/blog/are-vegetable-proteins-equal-protein-beef

I'd encourage you to read this. It's not as good as beef.

As far as milk, there is a reason humans genes mutated to allow us to drink milk into adult hood when it became available through domestication. Those that had this trait thrived while those that didn't (lactose intolorate) mostly died off, at least in the areas that had access to cows. It's good for the success of the human race which is why something like 90-94% of northern Europe cares this trait now because their ancestors were the healthy ones living and reproducing the most.

[pootbrah]

Gotta love how the blurb really just conflates a bunch of things and then credits it all to a "plant based diet" and quotes the pseudo-science documentary "What the Health" as an authority.

Playing lighter after years of bulking up will put less stress on the lower body, that's obvious.

It's not obvious that eating a plant based diet has anything to do with "energy levels" or lower injury risk. If as part of that diet Kyrie isn't going out and drinking shots on road trips and is getting more quality sleep than of course he's going to have more energy.

There are good reasons to eat less meat, most of them are environmental, a few health related.

There's not much evidence that eating a plant based diet is a "miracle cure" for everything from energy levels to cancer to knee injuries among NBA players. In fact just last year many doctors (like actual doctors, not just documentary makers) lamented the fact that so many NBA players are calcium deficient because they don't drink enough milk and in general don't get enough calcium growing up leaving their bones more brittle than prior generations of players.

please link this study lmao

the highest dairy consumers are most prone to osteoporosis the very thing dairy is meant to prevent.

Please link your study. People who use the term 'brah' don't rate highly on the instant credibility scale, sorry.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25352269

trust the process brah. this is a revolution brah. get with it or kys brah. or in kyries words stay woke fam.

[pootbrah]

Unless they are supplementing their diets with milk or soy I don't know how they have enough caloric intake and protein for recovery with all the exertions they have. I work out and cycle between eating 2500 calories and 1500 and that's hard enough. When I'm on a cut I eat some of the morning star fake chicken/sausage/beef stuff isn't bad. I'm sure they probably have better options than that. If they are whatever the true vegs are and don't drink milk or whey protien that would suck to try to build muscle off soy. That stuff is horrible.

100g of brocolli has more protein than 100g of beef and please never supplement your diet with milk. you aint a baby cow brah you dont need them hormones.

That sounded way off.

http://www.beefmagazine.com/blog/are-vegetable-proteins-equal-protein-beef

I'd encourage you to read this. It's not as good as beef.

As far as milk, there is a reason humans genes mutated to allow us to drink milk into adult hood when it became available through domestication. Those that had this trait thrived while those that didn't (lactose intolorate) mostly died off, at least in the areas that had access to cows. It's good for the success of the human race which is why something like 90-94% of northern Europe cares this trait now because their ancestors were the healthy ones living and reproducing the most.

lol



please see above link kbye

not reading your post because 1 its irrelevant and 2 im overseas kpieceoutbye. will if you are too triggered though and ill break it down for every flaw it has and lol beef magazine oh yeh they arent selling you propoganda to fill an agenda kbye

We only need to live to like 10-14 to reproduce but who was health?

[pootbrah]

Is there some reason fishes are seen by some as a lesser form of life so they can be eaten?
And plants too?

Basically it's cause animals are cute and lovable and fish aren't. That would be my guess anyway

dont have vocal cords so they cant squeel in pain and thus do they even feel pain brah?

i just want to note this is sarcasm if it isnt obvious enough

i also want to say, this is from the US, I saw a more alarming stat the other day but couldnt find it so I just googled 'bycatch fishing amount each year' and this is what comes up.

While bycatch data is often outdated and inaccurate, researchers estimate that 17-22 percent of U.S. catch is discarded every year, according to the best available data. Bycatch in the U.S. could amount to 2 billion pounds every year, equivalent to the entire annual catch of many other fishing nations around the world.

The point is whether fish feel pain or not (they do) or have the will to live (they do) is completely irrelevant when 2 billion pounds of sea life is killed and discarded each year from US fisherman alone. What about your beloved whales and dolphins then, oh wait they in those stats, not to mention their source of food (because they are in an ecosystem we are even ore disconnected from the one on land)

[ChokeFasncists]

Unless they are supplementing their diets with milk or soy I don't know how they have enough caloric intake and protein for recovery with all the exertions they have. I work out and cycle between eating 2500 calories and 1500 and that's hard enough. When I'm on a cut I eat some of the morning star fake chicken/sausage/beef stuff isn't bad. I'm sure they probably have better options than that. If they are whatever the true vegs are and don't drink milk or whey protien that would suck to try to build muscle off soy. That stuff is horrible.

100g of brocolli has more protein than 100g of beef

I think it should be per calories?

[MetalFingaz]

Yeah, if we ALL went vegan/vegetarian the world would be ****. There wouldn't be enough land to make enough food. If anything vegans/vegetarians pit more stress on agriculture and therefore the environment. Plus it's really expensive for the average joe to afford a vegan diet

At least in the US, most cropland is used for commodity crops like corn, soy, hay/alfalfa, and wheat, in that order. The majority of the first three are used to feed animals or for fuel (ethanol/biodiesel). Not counting wheat, cropland for food accounts for only 3% of total acreage. (Source: USDA Economic Research service: https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/84880/eib-178.pdf?v=42972)

But crops to feed animals are not an efficient use of that land, calorically speaking:

Yes, the corn fed to animals does produce valuable food to people, mainly in the form of dairy and meat products, but only after suffering major losses of calories and protein along the way. For corn-fed animals, the efficiency of converting grain to meat and dairy calories ranges from roughly 3 percent to 40 percent, depending on the animal production system in question. What this all means is that little of the corn crop actually ends up feeding American people. It’s just math. The average Iowa cornfield has the potential to deliver more than 15 million calories per acre each year (enough to sustain 14 people per acre, with a 3,000 calorie-per-day diet, if we ate all of the corn ourselves), but with the current allocation of corn to ethanol and animal production, we end up with an estimated 3 million calories of food per acre per year, mainly as dairy and meat products, enough to sustain only three people per acre. That is lower than the average delivery of food calories from farms in Bangladesh, Egypt and Vietnam.

(Source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/time-to-rethink-corn/)

Which is to say, we have plenty of cropland to feed every American a vegan diet. Whether we should is another discussion.

You can't cut out wheat from your statistics than try to make your point of it only being 3%. Since wheat is a major source of food for humans and therefore should be included. Also not all corn is animal feed. You can't just cherry pick and skew numbers to make your point.

The point of using land to feed animals destined for slaughter is valid as the land could be better used from a calorie stand point

With wheat, we get up to 20%, a significant increase, but that still leaves 80% of active cropland in America devoted to non-"food crops," per the USDA. Only a fifth of cropland is used to feed humans directly. If we increased that share, we could definitely feed everyone in America a vegan diet.

And not all corn is animal feed, that's true. The bulk of it goes to ethanol production. Corn doesn't even register in the top 11 for "food crops" directly consumed by Americans, again, according to the USDA report I linked above.