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Kobe Bryant returned to the Los Angeles Lakers on Tuesday following his trip to Germany to undergo the platelet-rich plasma treatment known as Orthokine on his right knee.

Bryant walked off the team bus without any visible limp.

"He said it went great and it feels good," Mike D'Antoni said.

Bryant has no firm timetable for his return, but he has been able to do some light jogging and set shooting.

"Just keep grinding. Keep working hard and getting better," Bryant said. "I gotta get in shape, too. I've been sitting on my butt now for a while. I gotta get up and get moving."

The Lakers' opener is on October 29 against the Los Angeles Clippers.

"Overall, I feel good," said Bryant, who watched Tuesday's exhibition from the bench. "Obviously, I feel like I'm ahead of schedule. It's just about trying to get that range of motion back where I feel like I can run comfortably. The last stage is really the explosiveness and the muscle endurance."

Bryant has now been to Germany three times for the procedure.

"I do it every now and then," Bryant said. "But this year I haven't had a chance to run, so I don't know how the knee is going to hold up. I don't know if it's going to be sore or what. So instead of taking that chance in the middle of the season, I went to Germany now."

Via Ramona Shelburne/ESPN

It's only a matter of time before Kobe and his use of PED's is discovered

ClubberLang wrote:It's only a matter of time before Kobe and his use of PED's is discovered

PRP is about as far from PED as it gets. i've had it done several times. it's actually completely experimental and a lot of studies show it only has a placebo effect, but anecdotally it has helped a lot of people. it's moer of an anti arthritis thing so i suggest you get your facts straight. they take your own blood, spin it through a centrifuge, separating the platelets and then inject that back into your arthritic joint. it's not like kobe manage to look like a bodybuilder like wade even though he's injured. focus your non fact based arguments elsewhere.

all that being said what he got done was Orthokine, not PRP and the two are very different procedures but often confused by the layman (as i would be if i didn't have 5 knee surgeries myself). Orthokine is also very far from a type of PED.

Showtime:Part2 wrote:

ClubberLang wrote:It's only a matter of time before Kobe and his use of PED's is discovered

PRP is about as far from PED as it gets. i've had it done several times. it's actually completely experimental and a lot of studies show it only has a placebo effect, but anecdotally it has helped a lot of people. it's moer of an anti arthritis thing so i suggest you get your facts straight. they take your own blood, spin it through a centrifuge, separating the platelets and then inject that back into your arthritic joint. it's not like kobe manage to look like a bodybuilder like wade even though he's injured. focus your non fact based arguments elsewhere.

all that being said what he got done was Orthokine, not PRP and the two are very different procedures but often confused by the layman (as i would be if i didn't have 5 knee surgeries myself). Orthokine is also very far from a type of PED.

Not saying I agree, but I think his point is that Orthokine is to Kobe what Androstenedione was to Mark McGwire

Love how everybody is doctors when it comes to Kobe's going to Germany. Crazy thing is the media has even been reporting what exactly he had in Germany done correctly. If Kobe gets busted for roids/PED's in the future it will come to light.... Until that point keep up the negativity and hating because that what will fuel this guy to getting #6. Funny how EVERYBODIES a doctor everywhere now lol.

Damn N@zi's

Devilzsidewalk wrote:

Showtime:Part2 wrote:

ClubberLang wrote:It's only a matter of time before Kobe and his use of PED's is discovered

PRP is about as far from PED as it gets. i've had it done several times. it's actually completely experimental and a lot of studies show it only has a placebo effect, but anecdotally it has helped a lot of people. it's moer of an anti arthritis thing so i suggest you get your facts straight. they take your own blood, spin it through a centrifuge, separating the platelets and then inject that back into your arthritic joint. it's not like kobe manage to look like a bodybuilder like wade even though he's injured. focus your non fact based arguments elsewhere.

all that being said what he got done was Orthokine, not PRP and the two are very different procedures but often confused by the layman (as i would be if i didn't have 5 knee surgeries myself). Orthokine is also very far from a type of PED.

Not saying I agree, but I think his point is that Orthokine is to Kobe what Androstenedione was to Mark McGwire

ya.... except orthokine has no effect on testosterone (i know you said you don't agree, just pointing something out). orthokine again is a type of injection into a specific area meant to induce certain proteins that fight inflammation in patients with arthritis. meanwhile, andro affects your testosterone levels. it's like saying athletes shouldn't be allowed to take ibuprofen to relieve inflammation or get synvisc injections in their knees to reduce joint inflammation or employ cryogenic anti-inflammation systems (like when grant hill used to go into that ice chamber)

put another way... kobe's treatment is to FIGHT the wear and tear on his joints, whereas taking andro isn't necessarily to stop a very damaging medical ailment, it's to promote an advantage on a healthy body.

ClubberLang wrote:It's only a matter of time before Kobe and his use of PED's is discovered

It will eventually get out. You can only contain him for so long.

Showtime:Part2 wrote:it's not like kobe manage to look like a bodybuilder like wade even though he's injured. focus your non fact based arguments elsewhere.

Lance Armstrong never looked like a bodybuilder, so I guess there are many ways to get your PED fix.

Imo most of the players are juiced anyway - I would not be surprised if one day the present top players get busted (after retiring from the game most likely). Most of those guys have insane bodies, I highly doubt you can acheive that without PED abuse.

why can't kobe get this procedure in the states?

malgus wrote:why can't kobe get this procedure in the states?

It relies on certain elements that haven't been approved by the FDA.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1798 ... ermany-for

Because of those differences, it is not yet approved for use in the United States. The FDA has not yet approved all elements of the program, specifically the amount of time that the blood is stored before being reinjected. The FDA also requires that the blood be "minimally manipulated" before being reintroduced. The Regenokine procedure does too much to be considered minimal.

More simply, it's where Dr. Wehling is from and practices. There's nothing inherently special about the location.

Xerxes_Tetra wrote:

malgus wrote:why can't kobe get this procedure in the states?

It relies on certain elements that haven't been approved by the FDA.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1798 ... ermany-for

Because of those differences, it is not yet approved for use in the United States. The FDA has not yet approved all elements of the program, specifically the amount of time that the blood is stored before being reinjected. The FDA also requires that the blood be "minimally manipulated" before being reintroduced. The Regenokine procedure does too much to be considered minimal.

More simply, it's where Dr. Wehling is from and practices. There's nothing inherently special about the location.

The US used to be a leader in medicine, now people gotta go out of the states to get procedures

bionic legs coming to an arena near you! be prepared to see the oldest player ever to avg. 29pts/game unless lakers management tells him to cool it! haha

inquisitive wrote:bionic legs coming to an arena near you! be prepared to see the oldest player ever to avg. 29pts/game unless lakers management tells him to cool it! haha

tall order...a production level Kobe hasn't even come close to in 7 years.
Nobody can beat father time one-on-one, this is quickly becoming his last hurrah so he better get it done now. He wants that 6th ring, and he's trailing Shaq and Michael in a few stat categories and i'm sure that's something he is well aware of. If the ring isn't forthcoming, you can be sure he'd like to eclipse Shaq and Michael in the books

Brovva Blaqq wrote:

Showtime:Part2 wrote:it's not like kobe manage to look like a bodybuilder like wade even though he's injured. focus your non fact based arguments elsewhere.

Lance Armstrong never looked like a bodybuilder, so I guess there are many ways to get your PED fix.

Imo most of the players are juiced anyway - I would not be surprised if one day the present top players get busted (after retiring from the game most likely). Most of those guys have insane bodies, I highly doubt you can acheive that without PED abuse.

umm.... lance may not have worked out his upper body all that much but his lower body is as strong as any bodybuilders. u dont get jacked automatically from taking peds or steroids and sitting on ur @ss, u still have to put in some work