Scout: Bosh Remains Same Guy He Was With Raptors, Except Better Shooter

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Scout: Bosh Remains Same Guy He Was With Raptors, Except Better Shooter 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:45 pm

The value of Chris Bosh often gets lost for the Miami Heat with LeBron James and Dwyane Wade receiving so much more attention.


Erik Spoelstra has often emphasized how critical Bosh's role is to the Heat.


"One night when LeBron was out, he scored 37 against Portland," said one unnamed Western Conference scout. "He looked like the same guy he was in Toronto, except he's become a better shooter. He's really worked at it. He can really shoot the ball from 17, 18 feet. I think people working in the league recognize how valuable he is to that team, but to the public, it'll always be about LeBron and Dwyane Wade. It always will be and that's fine. But they might be able to advance further without Wade than if they were without Bosh. Without Bosh, they don't win the East. They just wouldn't be big enough. As good as LeBron is, they wouldn't have any post presence at all. Bosh is really their second guy behind LeBron now because of Wade's injuries. Everybody around the league knows it."

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Post#2 » by dannyh8181 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:09 pm

This scout is wrong in his opinion. Dwade is still the second option and when healthy is one of the best playmakers in the league. He must of missed the Heat's last two games (OKC and CHI). Wade will be the key to the heat 3peating come playoffs. Riley and the Heat are smart enough to know to preserve wade, half the nights he sits out he isn't actually injured or hurting but they have to put something in the injury report. (Hence, "sore knees")
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Post#3 » by Sam195 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:56 pm

dannyh8181 wrote:This scout is wrong in his opinion. Dwade is still the second option and when healthy is one of the best playmakers in the league. He must of missed the Heat's last two games (OKC and CHI). Wade will be the key to the heat 3peating come playoffs. Riley and the Heat are smart enough to know to preserve wade, half the nights he sits out he isn't actually injured or hurting but they have to put something in the injury report. (Hence, "sore knees")


Your just a wade fan venting, this scout is dead on with his perception of bosh. Wade is no longer a superstar player - he's just a superstar brand. He's hobbled and he is on the decline. Lebron and Bosh are still in their prime. I highly doubt wade will opt out of the 40M+ he has left on the last two years of his contract while lebron and bosh do and test the market. Both will have teams lining up to offer a max deal. Wade was the reason the heat came together and he will be the reason they fall apart. If wade doesn't renegotiate a lower salary than the heat will have major problems retaining lebron, bosh and other talent around him especially with the repeater tax around the corner.
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Post#4 » by Sam195 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:59 pm

Scout also forgot to mention that Bosh has become a better defender since his time with the raptors and can guard both post and perimeter players.
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Post#5 » by CoachD » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:00 pm

Bosh could shoot in Toronto. He's taking smarter shots now, and not volume.
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Post#6 » by TrosstheBOSS » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:08 pm

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Post#7 » by CHAMPi0N » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:20 pm

CoachD wrote:Bosh could shoot in Toronto. He's taking smarter shots now, and not volume.


Yeah exactly, and when you say smarter shots, I'm particularly thinking of the open looks he gets just as a by-product of having Lebron in the offense. It's not a knock on Bosh, as he's transformed from a face-up post player into a catch-and-shoot big man, and that has suited Miami well. I still don't see these guys parting ways if they win again. Look how dominant they have been? Then again, the decision.
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Post#8 » by LaRance » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:40 pm

I agree, Wade would be easier to replace then Bosh worst case scenario.. Don't get me wrong, Wade is still the man. But at this stage Bosh is a more important piece of the Puzzle now. real talk
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Post#9 » by steamed hams » Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:46 pm

CoachD wrote:Bosh could shoot in Toronto. He's taking smarter shots now, and not volume.


He could hit mid range J's, but not threes at all. I watched him his whole tenure in Toronto, and he tried to incorporate 3s his last year, but failed miserably. He's gotten really good at hitting them now regularly when he's open.
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Post#10 » by CoachD » Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:55 pm

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CoachD wrote:Bosh could shoot in Toronto. He's taking smarter shots now, and not volume.


He could hit mid range J's, but not threes at all. I watched him his whole tenure in Toronto, and he tried to incorporate 3s his last year, but failed miserably. He's gotten really good at hitting them now regularly when he's open.



He hit .343 from 3 in 06/07
.400 from 3 in 07/08
and .245 his last year as a Raptor

in Miami he's hit 3s year over year at

.240 in 2010/11
.286 in 2011/12
.284 in 2012/13
.369 this season

Biggest difference is he's taking many more - but he showed early in Toronto he could take and MAKE the 3, they simply didn't want him to - especially when he was playing next to Bargnani. But you watched all his games, so you knew that.
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Post#11 » by rocafelton » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:46 am

CoachD wrote:
sosallycanwait wrote:
CoachD wrote:Bosh could shoot in Toronto. He's taking smarter shots now, and not volume.


He could hit mid range J's, but not threes at all. I watched him his whole tenure in Toronto, and he tried to incorporate 3s his last year, but failed miserably. He's gotten really good at hitting them now regularly when he's open.



He hit .343 from 3 in 06/07
.400 from 3 in 07/08
and .245 his last year as a Raptor

in Miami he's hit 3s year over year at

.240 in 2010/11
.286 in 2011/12
.284 in 2012/13
.369 this season

Biggest difference is he's taking many more - but he showed early in Toronto he could take and MAKE the 3, they simply didn't want him to - especially when he was playing next to Bargnani. But you watched all his games, so you knew that.


Bosh made 50 3s in 7 seasons at a .297 clip in Toronto. He's made 45 in 53 games this year at a .369 clip. The guy before you had it right. You're a misinformed know-it-all.
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Post#12 » by dannyh8181 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:28 am

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dannyh8181 wrote:This scout is wrong in his opinion. Dwade is still the second option and when healthy is one of the best playmakers in the league. He must of missed the Heat's last two games (OKC and CHI). Wade will be the key to the heat 3peating come playoffs. Riley and the Heat are smart enough to know to preserve wade, half the nights he sits out he isn't actually injured or hurting but they have to put something in the injury report. (Hence, "sore knees")


Your just a wade fan venting, this scout is dead on with his perception of bosh. Wade is no longer a superstar player - he's just a superstar brand. He's hobbled and he is on the decline. Lebron and Bosh are still in their prime. I highly doubt wade will opt out of the 40M+ he has left on the last two years of his contract while lebron and bosh do and test the market. Both will have teams lining up to offer a max deal. Wade was the reason the heat came together and he will be the reason they fall apart. If wade doesn't renegotiate a lower salary than the heat will have major problems retaining lebron, bosh and other talent around him especially with the repeater tax around the corner.


You must of missed the game tonight as well. Wade will opt out and resign for a long term discounted deal because he is a team guy and wants to keep the Heat together. If he did opt out you are right he wouldn't be getting offered max deals like bosh and lebron, but that's due to his age... He's at the end of his prime while Lebron and Bosh are in the middle of theirs. He certainly isn't "hobbled" and this conversation can end here as his play in the playoffs will determine who's right and who's wrong in this little debate. And btw lebron and bosh aren't going anywhere just because they have teams "lining up" to give them the max, its lebron james obviously everyone would give him the max and he makes twice as much in endorsements anyway. These guys actually care about winning and not just money unlike the majority of the league
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Post#13 » by Miiitch » Sun Mar 2, 2014 7:13 pm

I agree with the fact that Bosh is very valuable, but Wade is still second.

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