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Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' President As Soon As This Week
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 1:45 pm
by RealGM Wiretap
Joe Dumars plans to resign as president of the Detroit Pistons, possibly as soon as this week, according to sources.
The Pistons had expected to make the playoffs after signing Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings last offseason. Detroit instead is 28-49 and out of playoff contention.
Dumars took over in 2000, one year after retiring as a player, and immediately began making changes, culminating in an NBA title in 2004 and a return trip to the Finals the next season.
Dumars tried to save Maurice Cheeks' job earlier this season, but Tom Gores insisted on a chance.
Via Vincent Goodwill/Detroit News
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 2:44 pm
by ImHeisenberg
Five years too late.
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 2:45 pm
by ImHeisenberg
Five years too late.
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 3:57 pm
by Lapinski
I doubt he tried to save Mo Cheeks' job. He probably thought it was he or me.
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 4:02 pm
by RoyalMajesty
Good news for Pistons fans
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 4:03 pm
by taco_daddy
Ingrates. He got a championship and if not for Rasheed, it would have been 2.
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 4:53 pm
by esperanzafleet
taco_daddy wrote:Ingrates. He got a championship and if not for Rasheed, it would have been 2.
lol if not for rasheed? he only got that championship because he traded FOR rasheed. you sir have no clue what you are talking about.
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 5:14 pm
by The_Hater
taco_daddy wrote:Ingrates. He got a championship and if not for Rasheed, it would have been 2.
We could also argue that they were pretty lucky to win even one championship. Atlanta gift-wrapped Sheed to them for pennies on the dollar (and sent the league into an uproar as a result) plus they ran into an injury riddled Laker team in the finals. Karl Malone was out and Shaq was far from 100%.
Looking at Dumar's legacy it's hard to determined if he was really good or just lucky? He landed Ben and Billups on the cheap in wake of Grant Hill bolting for Orlando in free-agency. Hill was one of the top 6-8 players in the league at that point and Detroit clearly would have taken him back if they could have. His preferred direction with Hill on board certainly wouldn't have produced any championships and obviously his post-contender direction was really awful.
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 5:36 pm
by RaptorRed
The_Hater wrote:taco_daddy wrote:Ingrates. He got a championship and if not for Rasheed, it would have been 2.
We could also argue that they were pretty lucky to win even one championship. Atlanta gift-wrapped Sheed to them for pennies on the dollar (and sent the league into an uproar as a result) plus they ran into an injury riddled Laker team in the finals. Karl Malone was out and Shaq was far from 100%.
Looking at Dumar's legacy it's hard to determined if he was really good or just lucky? He landed Ben and Billups on the cheap in wake of Grant Hill bolting for Orlando in free-agency. Hill was one of the top 6-8 players in the league at that point and Detroit clearly would have taken him back if they could have. His preferred direction with Hill on board certainly wouldn't have produced any championships and obviously his post-contender direction was really awful.
The Pistons ended the Lakers dynasty when they had payton , kobe , malone and shaq. How can you say they were lucky ? Because of that Pistons team the defensive 3 second rule was created , that was truly a great defensive team and they definetly deserved to be champions. They also made it back to the finals and almost won again the following year , plus they had numerous trips to the conference finals. How can you say they were lucky win a championship ? that was a great team and the only team that could beat the lakers.
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 5:47 pm
by The_Hater
RaptorRed wrote:
The Pistons ended the Lakers dynasty when they had payton , kobe , malone and shaq. How can you say they were lucky ?
Did you even both to read my post?
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 5:51 pm
by dkjjr
RaptorRed wrote:The_Hater wrote:taco_daddy wrote:Ingrates. He got a championship and if not for Rasheed, it would have been 2.
We could also argue that they were pretty lucky to win even one championship. Atlanta gift-wrapped Sheed to them for pennies on the dollar (and sent the league into an uproar as a result) plus they ran into an injury riddled Laker team in the finals. Karl Malone was out and Shaq was far from 100%.
Looking at Dumar's legacy it's hard to determined if he was really good or just lucky? He landed Ben and Billups on the cheap in wake of Grant Hill bolting for Orlando in free-agency. Hill was one of the top 6-8 players in the league at that point and Detroit clearly would have taken him back if they could have. His preferred direction with Hill on board certainly wouldn't have produced any championships and obviously his post-contender direction was really awful.
The Pistons ended the Lakers dynasty when they had payton , kobe , malone and shaq. How can you say they were lucky ? Because of that Pistons team the defensive 3 second rule was created , that was truly a great defensive team and they definetly deserved to be champions. They also made it back to the finals and almost won again the following year , plus they had numerous trips to the conference finals. How can you say they were lucky win a championship ? that was a great team and the only team that could beat the lakers.
Karl Malone was out, Shaq wasn't fully recovered, Gray Payton was just along for the championship and didn't do much, and Kobe can't win by himself. So yes, they had some luck. It wasn't all luck, but if the Lakers were fully healthy I doubt they could have won.
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 6:00 pm
by jakebernat
esperanzafleet wrote:taco_daddy wrote:Ingrates. He got a championship and if not for Rasheed, it would have been 2.
lol if not for rasheed? he only got that championship because he traded FOR rasheed. you sir have no clue what you are talking about.
i think he was referring to the moment in game 6 where sheed left his man (horry) to double manu in the corner. manu immediately kicked it back out to horry and the rest is history. i still have nightmares about it...
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 6:45 pm
by just_a_fan
NBA Championships - Last 30 Years
Yrs Team (% of Time)
8 Los Angeles Lakers ( 26.7% )
6 Chicago Bulls ( 20.0% )
4 San Antonio Spurs ( 13.3% )
3 Boston Celtics ( 10.0% )
3 Detroit Pistons ( 10.0% )
3 Miami Heat ( 10.0% )
2 Houston Rockets ( 6.7% )
1 Dallas Mavericks ( 3.3% )
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 6:56 pm
by dkjjr
just_a_fan wrote:... just going to leave these facts here.
* Between 2002-03 and 2007-08 the Pistons where elite in the Eastern Conference:
- 1 Title '04
- 2 Straight NBA Finals Appearances
- 6 Straight Eastern Conf. Appearances
- 2-4 Eastern Conf. Finals record (5 different opponents)
- 2 Losses to eventual NBA Champs in Conf. Finals (Boston '08, Miami '06)
* Between 1986-87 and 1990-91 the Pistons where elite in the Eastern Conference:
- 2 Titles '80, '90
- 3 Straight NBA Finals Appearances
- 5 Straight Eastern Conf. Appearances
- 3-2 Eastern Conf. Finals record (vs Chicago 3x, vs Boston 2x)
- 1 Loss to eventual NBA Champs in Conf. Finals (Chicago '91)
Since 1983-84 (Last 30 Years)
NBA Championships - Last 30 Years
Tied for 4th (Miami and Boston) - 3 NBA Championships
Yrs Team (% of Time)
8 Los Angeles Lakers ( 26.7% )
6 Chicago Bulls ( 20.0% )
4 San Antonio Spurs ( 13.3% )
3 Boston Celtics ( 10.0% )
3 Detroit Pistons ( 10.0% )
3 Miami Heat ( 10.0% )
2 Houston Rockets ( 6.7% )
1 Dallas Mavericks ( 3.3% )
NBA Finals Appearances - Last 30 Years
Tied for 3rd (San Antonio) - 5 NBA Finals
Yrs Team (% of Time)
13 Los Angeles Lakers ( 43.3% )
6 Boston Celtics ( 20.0% )
6 Chicago Bulls ( 20.0% )
5 Detroit Pistons ( 16.7% )
5 San Antonio Spurs ( 16.7% )
4 Miami Heat ( 13.3% )
3 Houston Rockets ( 10.0% )
Conference Finals Appearances - Last 30 Years
2nd - 11 Conference Finals Appearances
Yrs Team (% of Time)
15 Los Angeles Lakers ( 50.0% )
11 Detroit Pistons ( 36.7% )
9 Boston Celtics ( 30.0% )
9 Chicago Bulls ( 30.0% )
9 San Antonio Spurs ( 30.0% )
7 Indiana Pacers ( 23.3% )
7 Phoenix Suns ( 23.3% )
And this proves what?
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 7:08 pm
by dballislife
the worst GM past 5-6 years
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 7:30 pm
by Knicks Universe
Should not have got the job in the first place. Star players never become good GMs or coaches, with a few exceptions (Larry Bird, Danny Ainge).
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 7:50 pm
by Lapinski
The three second defensive technical was put in place when zone defenses were legalized after the 2000-2001 season to prevent guys like Mutumbo and Shaq from just planting themselves in the lane. It had nothing to do with Ben Wallace. Just wanted to correct the poster that made the statement that it was in response to the 2004 Pistons.
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 8:03 pm
by RaptorRed
Lapinski wrote:The three second defensive technical was put in place when zone defenses were legalized after the 2000-2001 season to prevent guys like Mutumbo and Shaq from just planting themselves in the lane. It had nothing to do with Ben Wallace. Just wanted to correct the poster that made the statement that it was in response to the 2004 Pistons.
Ah okay , my bad , thanks for clearing that up.
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 8:21 pm
by Waylon Mercy
Detroit fans rejoice Eastern Conference rival fans sad he won't
continue to run that team into the ground
Re: Sources: Joe Dumars Plans To Resign As Pistons' Presiden
Posted: Tue Apr 8, 2014 9:03 pm
by Grumpy Heat Fan
Between 2004 and 2008, Joe Dumars was elite status. Top 3 in the NBA at what he did.
But then Dumars didn't do much after that team's championship runs. He tried some experimenting, like Allen Iverson for a little while. Stuff that never really worked out.