Curry, Green Become NBA's First Members Of +1,000 Club

[RealGM Wiretap]

Stephen Curry and Draymond Green became the first players to have a plus/minus over 1,000 for a single season since the NBA began counting the stat in 1997.

Curry finished at +1,083 for the regular season and playoffs, while Green's total was +1,031.

LeBron James was the previous record holder at +992 during the 08-09 season ahead of Michael Jordan's +954 in 97-98.

Via Tom Haberstroh/ESPN

[Jazzing]

People from US and their weird statistics.

[Devilzsidewalk]

here's the full list including playoffs in anybody wants to peep that:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/plus_minus_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&output=total&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=ge&c4val=&order_by=diff_pts

[Chuck Newhouse]

2 posts of your's I've read and both bash Americans...you should go away or think of something constructive to write.

The 3 teams mentioned were all good but both GSW and The Bulls had other talent to help...Lebron was a one man show basically.

[Devilzsidewalk]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/plus_minus_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&output=total&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=ge&c4val=&order_by=diff_pts&order_by_asc=Y

damn, Kevin Durant in 07/08 #1 worst plus minus

[Devilzsidewalk]

The 3 teams mentioned were all good but both GSW and The Bulls had other talent to help...Lebron was a one man show basically.

definitely favors good teams - Delonte West, Mario Chalmers, and JJ Redick all have top 50 seasons.

A solid starter on a good team can look really good and a good player on a bad team can look really bad.

[Jonatton Yeah]

People from US and their weird statistics.

It's been a stat since 1997. If you're not familiar with +/- and consider it "weird" you've had your head in the sand.

[Marty McFly]

that's pretty impressive.

[Jazzing]

People from US and their weird statistics.

It's been a stat since 1997. If you're not familiar with +/- and consider it "weird" you've had your head in the sand.

Well, maybe "weird" isn't the better word.
But irrelevant is more appropriate to call this statistics.

[deeps6x]

Out of the 20 best plus minus season ever, there is a whole lot of LeBron and Tim Duncan. 4 or 5 each. And these two kids just blew them away.

Wow. Very impressive. And they did it in the West no less. You could possibly taint LeBron's appearances in the top 20 by saying he played in the East all of those years. But not these two kids. (or Tim Duncan)

Wow again.

[Jazzing]

2 posts of your's I've read and both bash Americans

I love people from US.

My posts aren't "bashes", but a surprise exclamation from a foreigner.

I'm sorry if my posts seems rude and thank you for note that.
(I need to improve my english as soon as possible )

[dolowsupreme]

I don't get how you think plus/minus is irrelevant. It may be slightly misleading, but it certainly has relevancy. It means how good your team is doing when you're on the floor and how bad the team is doing when you are off the floor. That may make the coach decide whether you even play in the game or not. If Draymond has a +14 when he is in the game then I'm keeping him in there, if its -14 then he may get taken out.

[Jonatton Yeah]

People from US and their weird statistics.

It's been a stat since 1997. If you're not familiar with +/- and consider it "weird" you've had your head in the sand.

Well, maybe "weird" isn't the better word.
But irrelevant is more appropriate to call this statistics.

+/- measures whether or not your team scores more or less than the other team when you are on the court. I'm not sure how a statistic can be more relevant than one that measures the entire point of the game.

[Jazzing]

It's been a stat since 1997. If you're not familiar with +/- and consider it "weird" you've had your head in the sand.

Well, maybe "weird" isn't the better word.
But irrelevant is more appropriate to call this statistics.

+/- measures whether or not your team scores more or less than the other team when you are on the court. I'm not sure how a statistic can be more relevant than one that measures the entire point of the game.

Well, last season DAVID LEE has one of the best PER and +/- at Warriors...

[Jonatton Yeah]

Well, maybe "weird" isn't the better word.
But irrelevant is more appropriate to call this statistics.

+/- measures whether or not your team scores more or less than the other team when you are on the court. I'm not sure how a statistic can be more relevant than one that measures the entire point of the game.

Well, last season DAVID LEE has one of the best PER and +/- at Warriors...

It, like every other statistic, is utterly useless without context and, typically, other statistics. If you're not going to appreciate +/- that's your prerogative. But discounting +/- as "weird" and "irrelevant" because of said prerogative is more about you than the stat.

[hyberx]

Well, last season DAVID LEE has one of the best PER and +/- at Warriors...

Yup, you just proved why David Lee was a good player. While nobody mistaken him as a defensive stopper, he was a very good scorer, passer, and rebounder. He doesn't fit this year's space and pace and defensive GSW team, doesn't mean he can't play in the right system.

While +/- is not the only stat that shows a player's worth, it's also not weird or irrelevant. You need to look at many factors and related stats to come up with the whole picture. That, is what advanced stat is for.

[your boy]

People from US and their weird statistics.

It's been a stat since 1997. If you're not familiar with +/- and consider it "weird" you've had your head in the sand.

Well, maybe "weird" isn't the better word.
But irrelevant is more appropriate to call this statistics.

It's not irrelevant. Either learn about basketball or shut up.

[Killboard]

Curry and Green are great players, but you cant put them in the category of basketball gods, like Jordan or Lebron.
They have their merits, but clearly plus-minus is a team oriented stat.

[Pickled Prunes]

Well, last season DAVID LEE has one of the best PER and +/- at Warriors...

Yup, you just proved why David Lee was a good player. While nobody mistaken him as a defensive stopper, he was a very good scorer, passer, and rebounder. He doesn't fit this year's space and pace and defensive GSW team, doesn't mean he can't play in the right system.

While +/- is not the only stat that shows a player's worth, it's also not weird or irrelevant. You need to look at many factors and related stats to come up with the whole picture. That, is what advanced stat is for.

The most useful +/- is when you subtract your off the floor +/- from your on the floor +/-. This gives a better indication of your impact on the game. If your team is +7 with you on the floor and +16 when you are off the floor your adjusted +/- is -9. Conversely, if your team is -7 with you on the floor and -16 when you are off the floor your adjusted +/- is +9.

Numbers!

[FX20014]

This isn't to discredit Curry and Green, but plus/minus has many flaws.