Gregg Popovich: Three-Pointers Are Non-Basketball Circus

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Re: Gregg Popovich: Three-Pointers Are Non-Basketball Circus 

Post#21 » by SD2042 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:37 pm

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hyberx wrote:Yeah Pop. Why does such a skilled shot even exist? Why can't we have a team full of 7 foot giants elbowing each others under the basket trying to jam the ball into the hoop without even jumping? Whyyyyyyyy!

To be honest, it's just a good old coach who is trying to get some leverage amit this new trend (that actually wins the ring) started by the Warriors. Bravo pop. :wink:


I don't think that trend was started by the Warriors.



Started by the Suns near a decade ago. It was just ahead of it's time due to the rest of the league defending the Euroball style well with the current systems going at the time.
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Post#22 » by johanliebert » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:13 pm

The_Hater wrote:And then there's Byron Scott, quoted last year saying 'I don't believe 3 pointers win championships'.

Pop gets it, Scott remains in the dark ages.

Yet the lakers are 12th in the league in 3pa...you spoke as if they would have been dormant at 30th.
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Post#23 » by johanliebert » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:14 pm

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Rated T By CBRA wrote:Funny thing is, majority (if not all) of the players in the league right now never played the game of basketball WITHOUT the 3 point shot. To them the idea of NOT having it is probably ridiculous.


I don't know about that. I'm in my 30s and we didn't have a three point line until we started playing in high school. And even then, when I play pickup, a lot of times we avoid counting three's (esp. in the halfcourt) because nobody wants to argue about toes on the line and that crap. The shot has largely changed the game from an art form to a science. If anything, they should move the line even further back until the EFG% gets a little more balanced.

i.e. a 33% 3pt shooter = 50% fg shooter, let's make the shot so hard that you have to hit almost 40% for the league average EFG% to really even out.

It would be really interesting to see what would happen if the corner 3 were kept constant, but they moved the arch out to 25 feet even from the current 23'9". The Rip Hamilton's of the world would have so much midrange room to operate in, we might see a renaissance in terms of how the game is played between the elbows and the 3pt line.


I hope they move the corner 3 at least
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Re: Gregg Popovich: Three-Pointers Are Non-Basketball Circus 

Post#24 » by The_Hater » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:30 pm

johanliebert wrote:
The_Hater wrote:And then there's Byron Scott, quoted last year saying 'I don't believe 3 pointers win championships'.

Pop gets it, Scott remains in the dark ages.

Yet the lakers are 12th in the league in 3pa...you spoke as if they would have been dormant at 30th.


They ranked 25th last season after he said it. This year they have Kobe back chucking 7.5 attempts per game at 22%. I'm pretty sure that's Kobe going solo not the coach telling him to shoot more 3's.
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Post#25 » by Pickled Prunes » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:56 pm

Pop doesn't talk much but when he does.... we still have no idea what he's really thinking. That's by design.
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Post#26 » by DJ3thenew23 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:18 pm

hyberx wrote:this new trend (that actually wins the ring) started by the Warriors.


I can't fathom how someone could be so stupid... :banghead: :nonono: :banghead: :roll:
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Post#27 » by DJ3thenew23 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:19 pm

malgus wrote:I'd like to see the half court line be a 4 point shot.

Good idea Pop.


Half court = 4 points
Opponent's 3 = 5 points
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Post#28 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:39 pm

This is ridiculous. He only says it because GS does it and are better at it.

His teams have always launched quite a few 3s.

What about the 2003 championship with Kerr and Stephen Jackson launching 3s? Actually Parker and Bowen shot well over 200 each that year as well.

Or the 2005 championship team with Brent Barry, Bowen and Manu (all launched over 250 3s that year). Horry also launched quite a few 3s then and in 2007.

Also on the 2007 team Manu shot 323, Barry 287, Finley 286 and Bowen 232.

And since getting swept by the Suns in 2010 in the playoffs, they transformed their offense to space the floor more and shoot MORE 3s.
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Post#29 » by Bills Toupee » Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:41 pm

Make a 12 foot radius from the hoop. Everything inside is a 3, outside is 2 pts. Incentive for attacking the basket like never before, and major challenge as teams sag into the middle. Players learn to post up again and everyone needs shot blockers to counter a new generation of high flying dunk specialists. Skilled shooters still wow us with their stroke scoring more than ever even just 2 at a time as defenders focus on the paint.
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Post#30 » by masgi » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:08 am

bwgood77 wrote:This is ridiculous. He only says it because GS does it and are better at it.

His teams have always launched quite a few 3s.

What about the 2003 championship with Kerr and Stephen Jackson launching 3s? Actually Parker and Bowen shot well over 200 each that year as well.

Or the 2005 championship team with Brent Barry, Bowen and Manu (all launched over 250 3s that year). Horry also launched quite a few 3s then and in 2007.

Also on the 2007 team Manu shot 323, Barry 287, Finley 286 and Bowen 232.

And since getting swept by the Suns in 2010 in the playoffs, they transformed their offense to space the floor more and shoot MORE 3s.


You literally just made Pop's point. He said he hates it and damages the game, but it is necessary to use it to win. He never once said that he discourages his players from shooting them. He's a brilliant coach and has adjusted to the evolution of the game, even though he thinks it's poor basketball.
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Post#31 » by LakersLegacy » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:13 am

I would be up for anything behind the half court line to be worth 4 points.
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Re: Gregg Popovich: Three-Pointers Are Non-Basketball Circus 

Post#32 » by bwgood77 » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:37 am

masgi wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:This is ridiculous. He only says it because GS does it and are better at it.

His teams have always launched quite a few 3s.

What about the 2003 championship with Kerr and Stephen Jackson launching 3s? Actually Parker and Bowen shot well over 200 each that year as well.

Or the 2005 championship team with Brent Barry, Bowen and Manu (all launched over 250 3s that year). Horry also launched quite a few 3s then and in 2007.

Also on the 2007 team Manu shot 323, Barry 287, Finley 286 and Bowen 232.

And since getting swept by the Suns in 2010 in the playoffs, they transformed their offense to space the floor more and shoot MORE 3s.


You literally just made Pop's point. He said he hates it and damages the game, but it is necessary to use it to win. He never once said that he discourages his players from shooting them. He's a brilliant coach and has adjusted to the evolution of the game, even though he thinks it's poor basketball.


But he literally has used them quite a bit ever since he started coaching. He may have hated them because he had twin towers and started out with two Hall of Famers, and the more 3 pt shooting evolved, he had to evolve too, but he's been using it quite a bit.

He's a good coach but he always says things that serve his agenda. Like when he intentionally fouls bad free throw shooters. He doesn't say he hates THAT and it damages the game (even though it does far more than damage to the game than people shooting 3 pointers) but he uses it because it is within the rules. Instead he says people should learn to shoot.

As a matter of fact, he somewhat contradicts himself with those statements...."learn to shoot free throws", "hates 3 pointers"

Intentional fouls on bad three show shooters to extend games is far more of a crazy circus and definitely is "non-basketball".
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Post#33 » by Marionettetc » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:01 am

Gregg Popovich has been a basketball coach longer than most of you have been alive. It's hilarious that you guys think you know more about basketball than him, and that you have the experience necessary to even comment on what he said.
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Post#34 » by hyberx » Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:11 am

DJ3thenew23 wrote:
hyberx wrote:this new trend (that actually wins the ring) started by the Warriors.


I can't fathom how someone could be so stupid... :banghead: :nonono: :banghead: :roll:


Read the line that says that actually wins the ring, then you don't have to be stupid about it. :lol: It's a sad thing when you can't read yet try to comment on something. Such irony.

The sun's style never won that ring.
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Post#35 » by ontnut » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:13 pm

lol at the reading comprehension of some of the posters...

Pop clearly says that not only does he understand that 3's are a part of the game, and that his teams use it quite a bit, but that he also still feels that it mucks up the game of basketball, even if it is a crucial part of winning a championship.

It's comparable say to a race car driver who believes that driving stick is still the purest form of driving, but understand that automatic gearboxes are what's in now, and are necessary to win a f1 championship. Even if they don't like it, they'll still use it.

He is the consensus, pretty much unanimous best coach in the league, and possibly the world. Let's give credit where credit is due.
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Post#36 » by olive_triangurl » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:48 pm

I just don't like 3-pointers because they don't require athleticism.
The NBA is most entertaining when its athletic.
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Post#37 » by ratrac » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:41 pm

malgus wrote:I'd like to see the half court line be a 4 point shot.

Good idea Pop.


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Post#38 » by CHAMPi0N » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:44 pm

Part knowledge, part smokescreen, part trolling.

Leave it to Pop to drop gems like this.
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Post#39 » by OrlDave » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:00 pm

olive_triangurl wrote:I just don't like 3-pointers because they don't require athleticism.
The NBA is most entertaining when its athletic.
Treys = borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.


Treys allow you to see those dunks. Without them the area out where the 3 pt line is becomes long twos and extremely inefficient so teams would sag off encouraging you to shoot them and packing the paint. Hard dunk anything with 8 guys in the paint.
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Post#40 » by basketballbeans » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:02 pm

Marionettetc wrote:Gregg Popovich has been a basketball coach longer than most of you have been alive. It's hilarious that you guys think you know more about basketball than him, and that you have the experience necessary to even comment on what he said.


You're using a fallacy to make your point (argument from age). Just because the dude has been coaching for decades ain't mean young dudes are wrong on every discussion topic that they disagree with him. You're implying, "3 pointers suck because Greg Pop says so". That is not a rational nor logically sound argument. If we kept doing what the older generation did, we would inherently impede any progression (and this goes far beyond basketball, but the same principal applies here)

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