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Paul George and the Indiana Pacers discussed the possibility of a contract extension this offseason. George is eligible for an extension beginning September 25th.

James Harden and Russell Westbrook signed extensions with their current teams due to their cap space.

George signed a five-year max extension in September of 2013.

Via Nate Taylor/Indianapolis Star

He's going to Orlando...enough said

stopndrop88 wrote:He's going to Orlando...enough said

You're delusional. Hes obviously going to join KD, Curry, Thompson and Green on the warriors,

stopndrop88 wrote:He's going to Orlando...enough said

^ Said no one ever

These early extensions are really beginning to show which players want to win and which just want to get paid. If teams have cap space and their stars are already under contract than they should be spending that money to improve the team not pay the stars even more. Curry could have done the same thing this summer but had he signed a max extension - which would have come with an immediate raise to the max this season - the warriors would not have the cap space to sign Durant and probably still have to unload Bogut's contract. They could have kept barnes because of his lower cap hold before signing his max deal. Kawhi Leonard and Lamarcus Aldridge signed multi year max deals last summer with the Spurs despite knowing the cap was going to explode - now their contracts look like bargains compared to deals signed this summer. Leonard 5 years 95m and Aldridge 4 years 84m compared to Mike Conley - 5 years 153M. Curry is entering the final year of a 4 years 44m deal.

Pacers: Would you like to talk extension?

George: Sure. What are you offering?

Pacers: Anything you want.

George: I'll get back to you.

Sam195 wrote:These early extensions are really beginning to show which players want to win and which just want to get paid. If teams have cap space and their stars are already under contract than they should be spending that money to improve the team not pay the stars even more. Curry could have done the same thing this summer but had he signed a max extension - which would have come with an immediate raise to the max this season - the warriors would not have the cap space to sign Durant and probably still have to unload Bogut's contract. They could have kept barnes because of his lower cap hold before signing his max deal. Kawhi Leonard and Lamarcus Aldridge signed multi year max deals last summer with the Spurs despite knowing the cap was going to explode - now their contracts look like bargains compared to deals signed this summer. Leonard 5 years 95m and Aldridge 4 years 84m compared to Mike Conley - 5 years 153M. Curry is entering the final year of a 4 years 44m deal.

Money is more important than winning to everyone. Winning at life >winning in the NBA.

Even if the Warriors had the cap space to re-sign curry and sign durant curry wouldn't have signed an extension, because he will get a lot more money by waiting a year.

Aldridge was a free agent and he signed a max deal.

And just about every player signs an extension before their rookie contract is up.. Especially if the team of offering a max deal.

Sam195 wrote:These early extensions are really beginning to show which players want to win and which just want to get paid. If teams have cap space and their stars are already under contract than they should be spending that money to improve the team not pay the stars even more. Curry could have done the same thing this summer but had he signed a max extension - which would have come with an immediate raise to the max this season - the warriors would not have the cap space to sign Durant and probably still have to unload Bogut's contract. They could have kept barnes because of his lower cap hold before signing his max deal. Kawhi Leonard and Lamarcus Aldridge signed multi year max deals last summer with the Spurs despite knowing the cap was going to explode - now their contracts look like bargains compared to deals signed this summer. Leonard 5 years 95m and Aldridge 4 years 84m compared to Mike Conley - 5 years 153M. Curry is entering the final year of a 4 years 44m deal.

For players, it’s a fine balance between being paid what they are worth versus sacrificing guaranteed money to create space for other teammates. Fiscally, it would make the most sense for Paul George to renegotiate & extend in 2017, but that is assuming the CBA structure is the same. Renegotiating & extending on 9/25/16 would not give Paul George a significant raise to warrant being locked-in for the next 3 or 4 years. On the flip-side, Paul George can serve his current contract & sacrifice like Curry to hope the Pacers attract other key talent.

From the Pacer’s perspective, the incentive to pay Paul George more is to lock him in for more years. Paul George has a Player Option in 2018 equal to $20.7M. Assuming the $108M Salary Cap Projection in 2018, Paul George can potentially earn $30.4M. Thus, I assume he would surely opt out in 2018 and become an unrestricted free agent. That means he can potentially take his talents elsewhere if he wanted to. In the summer of 2018 many elite free agents will be available then and many large market teams will also have cap space. The Pacers currently also have significant cap space in 2018, but I don’t see many elite free agents flocking to Indiana. The Pacers surely want to lock Paul George well passed 2018, but that should come at the price of restructuring the current deal.

P.S.
After unloading Bogut’s contract, the Warriors still would not have had enough cap space to sign Durant’s max via cap space & then sign Barnes via Bird rights. Accounting for salary, cap holds, & roster charges, Golden State still would have been 8.4M short of fitting Durant’s max.

jaywalkszzz wrote:

Sam195 wrote:These early extensions are really beginning to show which players want to win and which just want to get paid. If teams have cap space and their stars are already under contract than they should be spending that money to improve the team not pay the stars even more. Curry could have done the same thing this summer but had he signed a max extension - which would have come with an immediate raise to the max this season - the warriors would not have the cap space to sign Durant and probably still have to unload Bogut's contract. They could have kept barnes because of his lower cap hold before signing his max deal. Kawhi Leonard and Lamarcus Aldridge signed multi year max deals last summer with the Spurs despite knowing the cap was going to explode - now their contracts look like bargains compared to deals signed this summer. Leonard 5 years 95m and Aldridge 4 years 84m compared to Mike Conley - 5 years 153M. Curry is entering the final year of a 4 years 44m deal.

For players, it’s a fine balance between being paid what they are worth versus sacrificing guaranteed money to create space for other teammates. Fiscally, it would make the most sense for Paul George to renegotiate & extend in 2017, but that is assuming the CBA structure is the same. Renegotiating & extending on 9/25/16 would not give Paul George a significant raise to warrant being locked-in for the next 3 or 4 years. On the flip-side, Paul George can serve his current contract & sacrifice like Curry to hope the Pacers attract other key talent.

From the Pacer’s perspective, the incentive to pay Paul George more is to lock him in for more years. Paul George has a Player Option in 2018 equal to $20.7M. Assuming the $108M Salary Cap Projection in 2018, Paul George can potentially earn $30.4M. Thus, I assume he would surely opt out in 2018 and become an unrestricted free agent. That means he can potentially take his talents elsewhere if he wanted to. In the summer of 2018 many elite free agents will be available then and many large market teams will also have cap space. The Pacers currently also have significant cap space in 2018, but I don’t see many elite free agents flocking to Indiana. The Pacers surely want to lock Paul George well passed 2018, but that should come at the price of restructuring the current deal.

P.S.
After unloading Bogut’s contract, the Warriors still would not have had enough cap space to sign Durant’s max via cap space & then sign Barnes via Bird rights. Accounting for salary, cap holds, & roster charges, Golden State still would have been 8.4M short of fitting Durant’s max.

I meant that Warriors could have extended Curry to the max and resigned Barnes instead of signing Durant if Curry really wanted to get paid. Either way - Warriors would have to unload Bogut but they might have also kept ezeli since he also had a very low cap hold prior to signing a new deal

IAMZOOTED wrote:

Sam195 wrote:These early extensions are really beginning to show which players want to win and which just want to get paid. If teams have cap space and their stars are already under contract than they should be spending that money to improve the team not pay the stars even more. Curry could have done the same thing this summer but had he signed a max extension - which would have come with an immediate raise to the max this season - the warriors would not have the cap space to sign Durant and probably still have to unload Bogut's contract. They could have kept barnes because of his lower cap hold before signing his max deal. Kawhi Leonard and Lamarcus Aldridge signed multi year max deals last summer with the Spurs despite knowing the cap was going to explode - now their contracts look like bargains compared to deals signed this summer. Leonard 5 years 95m and Aldridge 4 years 84m compared to Mike Conley - 5 years 153M. Curry is entering the final year of a 4 years 44m deal.

Money is more important than winning to everyone. Winning at life >winning in the NBA.

Even if the Warriors had the cap space to re-sign curry and sign durant curry wouldn't have signed an extension, because he will get a lot more money by waiting a year.

Aldridge was a free agent and he signed a max deal.

And just about every player signs an extension before their rookie contract is up.. Especially if the team of offering a max deal.

Curry has an injury history - he could have signed an identical extension to Westbrook at 3 years 85M or even a 4 year one with opt out and sign a super max deal in 2020 with 10 years of nba experience. An extension would also paid Curry the max salary for the next 3 years that he would otherwise have gotten on the first 3 years of a 5 year max deal in 2017. As for Kawhi - he took a discount at 5 years 95m - had he played his qualifying offer or signed a shorter deal and become a free agent this summer or next summer he would have been able to sign a deal around 5 years 150m or more.

Sam195 wrote:

IAMZOOTED wrote:

Sam195 wrote:These early extensions are really beginning to show which players want to win and which just want to get paid. If teams have cap space and their stars are already under contract than they should be spending that money to improve the team not pay the stars even more. Curry could have done the same thing this summer but had he signed a max extension - which would have come with an immediate raise to the max this season - the warriors would not have the cap space to sign Durant and probably still have to unload Bogut's contract. They could have kept barnes because of his lower cap hold before signing his max deal. Kawhi Leonard and Lamarcus Aldridge signed multi year max deals last summer with the Spurs despite knowing the cap was going to explode - now their contracts look like bargains compared to deals signed this summer. Leonard 5 years 95m and Aldridge 4 years 84m compared to Mike Conley - 5 years 153M. Curry is entering the final year of a 4 years 44m deal.

Money is more important than winning to everyone. Winning at life >winning in the NBA.

Even if the Warriors had the cap space to re-sign curry and sign durant curry wouldn't have signed an extension, because he will get a lot more money by waiting a year.

Aldridge was a free agent and he signed a max deal.

And just about every player signs an extension before their rookie contract is up.. Especially if the team of offering a max deal.

Curry has an injury history - he could have signed an identical extension to Westbrook at 3 years 85M or even a 4 year one with opt out and sign a super max deal in 2020 with 10 years of nba experience. An extension would also paid Curry the max salary for the next 3 years that he would otherwise have gotten on the first 3 years of a 5 year max deal in 2017. As for Kawhi - he took a discount at 5 years 95m - had he played his qualifying offer or signed a shorter deal and become a free agent this summer or next summer he would have been able to sign a deal around 5 years 150m or more.

Curry could have signed a deal like westbrooks but now he will probably be able to sign a 5 year deal for almost 200 million next year.

Kawhi could have waited but when do players on rookie contracts ever turn down max offers? I don't think it's easy to turn down a raise of almost 18 million.

IAMZOOTED wrote:Curry could have signed a deal like westbrooks but now he will probably be able to sign a 5 year deal for almost 200 million next year.

In 2017, Curry will have 8 years of service and will be eligible for the "30%" max-tier (assuming the new CBA still has max tiers). At a $102M Projected Salary Cap/$122M Luxury Tax Line, Curry can sign a 5year/$165.7M contract in 2017. Almost $200M, but not quite.

jaywalkszzz wrote:

IAMZOOTED wrote:Curry could have signed a deal like westbrooks but now he will probably be able to sign a 5 year deal for almost 200 million next year.

In 2017, Curry will have 8 years of service and will be eligible for the "30%" max-tier (assuming the new CBA still has max tiers). At a $102M Projected Salary Cap/$122M Luxury Tax Line, Curry can sign a 5year/$165.7M contract in 2017. Almost $200M, but not quite.

I was thinking it would be more than that, but still quite a bit more than if he had signed the 3 year 85 million deal

Sam195 wrote:

jaywalkszzz wrote:

Sam195 wrote:These early extensions are really beginning to show which players want to win and which just want to get paid. If teams have cap space and their stars are already under contract than they should be spending that money to improve the team not pay the stars even more. Curry could have done the same thing this summer but had he signed a max extension - which would have come with an immediate raise to the max this season - the warriors would not have the cap space to sign Durant and probably still have to unload Bogut's contract. They could have kept barnes because of his lower cap hold before signing his max deal. Kawhi Leonard and Lamarcus Aldridge signed multi year max deals last summer with the Spurs despite knowing the cap was going to explode - now their contracts look like bargains compared to deals signed this summer. Leonard 5 years 95m and Aldridge 4 years 84m compared to Mike Conley - 5 years 153M. Curry is entering the final year of a 4 years 44m deal.

For players, it’s a fine balance between being paid what they are worth versus sacrificing guaranteed money to create space for other teammates. Fiscally, it would make the most sense for Paul George to renegotiate & extend in 2017, but that is assuming the CBA structure is the same. Renegotiating & extending on 9/25/16 would not give Paul George a significant raise to warrant being locked-in for the next 3 or 4 years. On the flip-side, Paul George can serve his current contract & sacrifice like Curry to hope the Pacers attract other key talent.

From the Pacer’s perspective, the incentive to pay Paul George more is to lock him in for more years. Paul George has a Player Option in 2018 equal to $20.7M. Assuming the $108M Salary Cap Projection in 2018, Paul George can potentially earn $30.4M. Thus, I assume he would surely opt out in 2018 and become an unrestricted free agent. That means he can potentially take his talents elsewhere if he wanted to. In the summer of 2018 many elite free agents will be available then and many large market teams will also have cap space. The Pacers currently also have significant cap space in 2018, but I don’t see many elite free agents flocking to Indiana. The Pacers surely want to lock Paul George well passed 2018, but that should come at the price of restructuring the current deal.

P.S.
After unloading Bogut’s contract, the Warriors still would not have had enough cap space to sign Durant’s max via cap space & then sign Barnes via Bird rights. Accounting for salary, cap holds, & roster charges, Golden State still would have been 8.4M short of fitting Durant’s max.

I meant that Warriors could have extended Curry to the max and resigned Barnes instead of signing Durant if Curry really wanted to get paid. Either way - Warriors would have to unload Bogut but they might have also kept ezeli since he also had a very low cap hold prior to signing a new deal

Sorry I misread.

If Curry extended to the max in the summer of 2016, I do agree unloading Bogut’s $11M was needed to re-sign Barnes via Bird Rights.

However, extending Curry to the max & re-signing Barnes & Ezeli both via Bird rights would not have been possible without trading away another player. Interestingly, they needed about $744,972 more in cap space. (Re-signing Ezeli via Bird+Barbosa via Early-Bird rights would have been possible though).

IAMZOOTED wrote:Even if the Warriors had the cap space to re-sign curry and sign durant curry wouldn't have signed an extension, because he will get a lot more money by waiting a year.

Sam195 wrote:Curry has an injury history - he could have signed an identical extension to Westbrook at 3 years 85M or even a 4 year one with opt out and sign a super max deal in 2020 with 10 years of nba experience. An extension would also paid Curry the max salary for the next 3 years that he would otherwise have gotten on the first 3 years of a 5 year max deal in 2017.

I thought this was a fun exercise to analyze (assuming 2011 CBA rules).

Curry can potentially sign a 5 yr/$200M+ in 2019 w/ 10 years of service (as he was drafted in 2009). Technically in a renegotiation & extension, Curry's max in the 1st extended season (2017-18) & Curry's max in a 2nd extended season (2018-19) will be slightly less than Curry's (2017-18) max & (2018-19) max in a 5-yr max deal starting in 2017. I tweeted a salary breakdown (click on image to zoom):



Overall though, Curry potentially will earn $23M less than his max over 6 yrs playing w/ KD. Curry potentially could have earned $23M more over 6 yrs, BUT w/ Barnes.

To tie it back in with Paul George's situation, if George renegotiated & extended in the summer of 2017 (again assuming 2011 CBA rules), he can potentially earn $9.3M more over 1 year compared to if he didn't restructure & extend. He would give up his 2018 free agency (assuming he opts out) in exchange he could commit/be guaranteed until 2020. If he gets a Player Option in 2020, it would be just in time for his 10th anniversary of service.

Paul George will likely earn a "max" salary in the 2018-19 season (barring injury & assuming he opts out) whether he is with the Pacers or not.

Even with George at his "max" in 2018, the Pacers seem to have quite a bit of wiggle room to fit several free agents. Recruiting free agents will be the tricky part.

From the Pacers' perspective, restructuring & extending Paul George to his "max" is a no brainer.

From Paul George's perspective, he needs to decide if $9.3M is worth giving up his potential 2018 free agency (via renegotiation/extension in 2017 & assuming $102M Cap).