Knicks Had Opportunity To Sign Chris Paul If Not For Alienation Of Carmelo

[moocow007]

Carmelo did it to myself though? People forget that Melo was a free agent and had the opportunity to leave but didn't want too, why? Because the Knicks can offer him more money. There has to be some part of you that knew that you and Phil wouldn't work, there are certain systems you know that won't fit your game and Melo, the Triangle isn't your game.

This goes both ways. Phil Jackson and the Knicks organization knows Carmelo wasn't and will never be a fit for the Triangle. But Phil chose to give him almost max money and a No Trade Clause. Teams don't have to sign or resign free agents just because the player wants to sign there. Now Phil is having problems and now Porzingis the Unicorn, whom he wants to rebuild around, isn't happy and may leave in 2 seasons after seeing 2 losing seasons and the horrible treatment of players.
Phil Jackson took the 2nd Seed in the East and turned it into this... think about that

A lucky 2 seed in a particularly weak east that relied heavily on an almost finished Tyson chandler and the corpse of jkidd. Over capped. Almost no picks... How was that one flukely season remotely sustainable?

By repeating the same, rather simple, formula? What bit role players that changed the mentality and culture of the team was so sought after that it would not be possible to replace? But the point that you are missing apparently is that you need the right type of players around (or on a team with) Carmelo Anthony as your main offensive weapon. Other than that year, the Knicks have had crap in terms of fit. And unlike pretty much every other "star" level player that has done better than him, those players had MUCH BETTER 2nd and even 3rd players around him. If you take a look at every player that has been on the team with Anthony the most consistently productive and impactful player has been JR Smith. Let me repeat...JR Smith.

Well that's IF the best plan was to continue to try to be the 2nd or 3rd team in the East (and by no means am I implying that that is the ideal or best plan). But that's a better plan than whatever nonsense Phil Jackson has been hashing out there for his tenure (making trades where he gets only what he values players he trades at not what the other team values them at, by giving Anthony that ludicrous NTC AND trade kicker, by pulling an Alan Houston and bidding against no one but himself for Noah and that idiotic contract he gave him, etc.). Jackson doesn't appear to have a plan other than going by whatever the peyote tells him the morning after. If he does, then it's a **** plan.

[Hoopzilla]

This goes both ways. Phil Jackson and the Knicks organization knows Carmelo wasn't and will never be a fit for the Triangle. But Phil chose to give him almost max money and a No Trade Clause. Teams don't have to sign or resign free agents just because the player wants to sign there. Now Phil is having problems and now Porzingis the Unicorn, whom he wants to rebuild around, isn't happy and may leave in 2 seasons after seeing 2 losing seasons and the horrible treatment of players.
Phil Jackson took the 2nd Seed in the East and turned it into this... think about that

A lucky 2 seed in a particularly weak east that relied heavily on an almost finished Tyson chandler and the corpse of jkidd. Over capped. Almost no picks... How was that one flukely season remotely sustainable?

By repeating the same, rather simple, formula? What bit role players that changed the mentality and culture of the team was so sought after that it would not be possible to replace? But the point that you are missing apparently is that you need the right type of players around (or on a team with) Carmelo Anthony as your main offensive weapon. Other than that year, the Knicks have had crap in terms of fit. And unlike pretty much every other "star" level player that has done better than him, those players had MUCH BETTER 2nd and even 3rd players around him. If you take a look at every player that has been on the team with Anthony the most consistently productive and impactful player has been JR Smith. Let me repeat...JR Smith.

Well that's IF the best plan was to continue to try to be the 2nd or 3rd team in the East (and by no means am I implying that that is the ideal or best plan). But that's a better plan than whatever nonsense Phil Jackson has been hashing out there for his tenure (making trades where he gets only what he values players he trades at not what the other team values them at, by giving Anthony that ludicrous NTC AND trade kicker, by pulling an Alan Houston and bidding against no one but himself for Noah and that idiotic contract he gave him, etc.). Jackson doesn't appear to have a plan other than going by whatever the peyote tells him the morning after. If he does, then it's a **** plan.

It is easy to say Melo has had no help in New York and the most impactful player was JR Smith. It is also easy to say that nobody wanted to join Melo. Everyone sees the space wasting black hole that is Melo and had no interest in joining him. Melo has a reputation for chasing players and coaches out of town. He kills pace and space and he can't play defence to save his life. It speaks volumes that he plays in a huge media market and absolutely nobody has had an interest in joining him, ever. This preceded Jackson as well. You can blame Phil, but the problem is and always will be Melo.

[MegaK]

Phil might be the worst Front office person the Knicks have ever had and that is saying a lot. He's got to get off his high horse and start showing some humility and understand that the game has changed or just retire and talk about the good ole days to someone who cares. Honestly, no one understands this dudes motives and his arrogance is at an all time level. No big time free agents are going to New York because of it and the team is in perpetual turmoil. None of this is Carmelo's fault. Carmelo probably thought what we all thought, Phil is the man and will put together a competitive team . Unfortunately we are all learning that Phil really just rode the coattails of all time great players to many championships and is really just a disgruntled insecure old man.

[Hoopzilla]

Phil might be the worst Front office person the Knicks have ever had and that is saying a lot. He's got to get off his high horse and start showing some humility and understand that the game has changed or just retire and talk about the good ole days to someone who cares. Honestly, no one understands this dudes motives and his arrogance is at an all time level. No big time free agents are going to New York because of it and the team is in perpetual turmoil. None of this is Carmelo's fault. Carmelo probably thought what we all thought, Phil is the man and will put together a competitive team . Unfortunately we are all learning that Phil really just rode the coattails of all time great players to many championships and is really just a disgruntled insecure old man.

Phil is doing what he needs to do, get rid of Carmelo Anthony and rebuild the team. There has never been a player that has ever expressed an interest in joining Melo in New York and that preceded Jackson coming to town. Nobody wants to play with a space wasting black hole that can't play defence to save his life. You can blame Jackson, but the problem existed before he got there, so it doesn't hold any weight. Big time free agents do not want to go to New York because Melo is on his way out and they will be rebuilding. When the team has been rebuilt and becomes an up and coming team and nobody still wants to join, then blaming Jackson would make sense. Until that time, it's all about Melo!

[IkeDoIt]

A lucky 2 seed in a particularly weak east that relied heavily on an almost finished Tyson chandler and the corpse of jkidd. Over capped. Almost no picks... How was that one flukely season remotely sustainable?

By repeating the same, rather simple, formula? What bit role players that changed the mentality and culture of the team was so sought after that it would not be possible to replace? But the point that you are missing apparently is that you need the right type of players around (or on a team with) Carmelo Anthony as your main offensive weapon. Other than that year, the Knicks have had crap in terms of fit. And unlike pretty much every other "star" level player that has done better than him, those players had MUCH BETTER 2nd and even 3rd players around him. If you take a look at every player that has been on the team with Anthony the most consistently productive and impactful player has been JR Smith. Let me repeat...JR Smith.

Well that's IF the best plan was to continue to try to be the 2nd or 3rd team in the East (and by no means am I implying that that is the ideal or best plan). But that's a better plan than whatever nonsense Phil Jackson has been hashing out there for his tenure (making trades where he gets only what he values players he trades at not what the other team values them at, by giving Anthony that ludicrous NTC AND trade kicker, by pulling an Alan Houston and bidding against no one but himself for Noah and that idiotic contract he gave him, etc.). Jackson doesn't appear to have a plan other than going by whatever the peyote tells him the morning after. If he does, then it's a **** plan.

It is easy to say Melo has had no help in New York and the most impactful player was JR Smith. It is also easy to say that nobody wanted to join Melo. Everyone sees the space wasting black hole that is Melo and had no interest in joining him. Melo has a reputation for chasing players and coaches out of town. He kills pace and space and he can't play defence to save his life. It speaks volumes that he plays in a huge media market and absolutely nobody has had an interest in joining him, ever. This preceded Jackson as well. You can blame Phil, but the problem is and always will be Melo.

It's the franchises more than the player. You also can't find any former or current teammate who badmouths Carmelo Anthony either.
Your logic is flawed because you seem to think 1 player makes a franchise. What is your explanation for why LeBron James couldn't get any significant help in Cleveland the first time around?? Is it because he's a black hole, or because his franchise was horribly ran?? Get off of you Carmelo hatred. Phil Jackson is running this team into the ground on purpose

Furthermore, That 2 seed wasn't "lucky" by any means. Stop creating BS. That season Carmelo Anthony was the league leader in PPG and J.R Smith was the 6MOY. They played great team defense and won like 16 or 17 straight games at one point. That roster had great balance because the GM was actually TRYING TO WIN. The Knicks and Pacers were pretty good and the Heat beat the Spurs to win the Championship. The East wasn't "particularly weak" by any means when it is perennially weaker than the West anyways. Quit blowing smoke out of your ass