Cavaliers Agree To Trade Kyrie Irving To Celtics

[haste10176]

Wow just wow
they could have had PG or butler for pretty much just the bkn pick
irving and IT are pretty much the same, except was actually able to lead a team to success and now he gets to play with Lebron and wont have all the defensive focus on him?? he
plus the celtics lost Jae and Avery now so absolutely no defense in that starting line up
Celtics
Horford
Morris?
Hayward
Brown?
Kyrie

Smart
Tatum (rookie yet to play a single game)

Cavs
TT
Love
Lebron
Jae
IT

Rose/shump/korver/frye/wade? ++++ BKN Pick

Cavs are beasts right now lebron should be very happy
If Boston was just gonna trade that pick they sould have gotten someone that can actually play defense like Butler or PG for cheapp

Butler maybe but Kyrie although does not play defence is proven in finals he averages 25 points and can explode for 40 point games.. Thomas has never got close to averaging 25 points in play offs so not same same.. Also Irving has two years on his contract same as Butler with certainty on how much you can pay him.. Cavs will not be paying Isiah max next season.. Kyrie unlike Butler is a good 3pt shooter which is massive for boston because they have barely any shooters..

[haste10176]

celtics continue to trend-up with a bonafide weapon, but remain one major piece away from competing vs. golden state

Come on man one major piece away from competing.. So you have Kyrie now and Curry is better maybe you can say marginally.. You have no player that comes close to Klay so moving on.. You match Hayward against Durant well that is a clear win to Durant.. Then you put Horford on Draymond once again clear win to Draymond.. GSW have far too many two way players for celtics to compete with them.. You could even get PG13 or Demarcus Cousins it would not be enough because GSW also has great chemistry and bench depth.. They have the 2nd and 4th best player in the league on one team.. Kyrie is the Celtics only top 15 player..

[12footrim]

What a dumb trade for the Celtics. Kyrie and IT are about the same, and it's not even like IT is that much older. Crowder was a borderline all star consideration a couple years ago and oh yeah they get a great pick and even SAVE some money to boot and luxury tax as well. Even zizic is a solid prospect to throw in. This might even be enough to make Lebron rethink his future. They even have the weapons and salary now to go out and get another star if they wanted if Lebron doesn't want to wait or insurance if he leaves. Unbelievable.

[dantheman74]

This made my day. Welcome Kyrie Irving!!!

[hyberx]

For those who say IT and Kyrie are basically the same player are completely wrong. Offensively yes they are both pretty awesome, but defensively is the dofference. No, nobody get it wrong that Kyrie was one of the worst defenders in the league, but it has to do with his effort more than his physical limitation. For IT, he is limited by his height. Kyrie had a few very good defensive games even in the final. But that P&R then ISO between him and LBJ is what sucked for the minor league champ. Anyone who think Lue is a better coach than Blatt is laughable.

In contracts, Celtics has a better offense systematically. Their D sucked because IT's height is always a liability that tigger the others to help out. If Brad Stevens can make them play team ball, Kyrie would be able to put more energy on D. They would be better than the Cavs in that Gleague Plus.

[Lava Rock Kid]

IT helps convince Hayward to come than gets traded. Poor guy has to be pissed.

[Nidsmy]

I think Celtics give up way too much. Giving up that #1 pick is too much. Thomas is just as good as Kyrie imo. Kyrie maybe a little bit better but Thomas shoot the lights out.

I am speechless. What is the celts upper mgmt thinking? You have got to give clev upper mgmt credit...mad fleece by Cleveland...

[hyberx]

This might even be enough to make Lebron rethink his future.

LeBron would start packing as soon as he realize IT needs help every defensive possesion. Oh wait, he already knew from that ECF basically what Cavs did to Celtic every damn time.

[12footrim]

For those who say IT and Kyrie are basically the same player are completely wrong. Offensively yes they are both pretty awesome, but defensively is the dofference. No, nobody get it wrong that Kyrie was one of the worst defenders in the league, but it has to do with his effort more than his physical limitation. For IT, he is limited by his height.

Ok so one is short and the other is just lazy what a defense. You think this really makes it any better?

The fact is IT was a good bit BETTER on offense if you want to play that game. He had a higher PER and better offensive RPM nearly Identical by Real Plus minus overall because his offense was that much better and he's only 3 years older. He also had like the best clutch stats in the NBA last year.

The Cavs didn't stop anyone last year anyway. He's going to be playing the same role as Kyrie getting a bucket when needed oh yeah and for 1 third of the cost. That's the only point any of us are making and not only did they get that they got one of the best value 3 and D guys and a top 5 pick likely as well. What a fleecing. Context. Context

[12footrim]

For those who say IT and Kyrie are basically the same player are completely wrong. Offensively yes they are both pretty awesome, but defensively is the dofference. No, nobody get it wrong that Kyrie was one of the worst defenders in the league, but it has to do with his effort more than his physical limitation. For IT, he is limited by his height.

Ok so one is short and the other is just lazy what a defense. You think this really makes it any better?

The fact is IT was a good bit BETTER on offense if you want to play that game. He had a higher PER and better offensive RPM nearly Identical by Real Plus minus overall because his offense was that much better and he's only 3 years older. He also had like the best clutch stats in the NBA last year.

The Cavs didn't stop anyone last year anyway. He's going to be playing the same role as Kyrie getting a bucket when needed oh yeah and for 1 third of the cost. That's the only point any of us are making and not only did they get that they got one of the best value 3 and D guys and a top 5 pick likely as well. What a fleecing. Context. Context

[oaktownwarriors87]

OK, now Boston is scary.

Ehhh not so fast. The whole appeal of that team was that future reinforcements are coming. Potential. Growth. But you gave up the Nets pick. You also gave up the 2 best of the 3 grunts in Bradley and Crowder. I would have gave up Smart

So now it's

Kyrie, Hayward, Brown, Tatum, Horford...and that's it.

You're no longer super deep. You still have no low post threat. And you don't have a franchise big coming down the pipeline.

Honestly wth Bagley reclassifying I would have given up Brown rather than the Nets pick

I don't see Tatum or Brown as small ball 4s. Tatum or a Brown better become all stars and fast or Celtics fans will look back at all their assets and wonder wtf happened

This isn't 2004, no one cares about low post scorers.

They had the best record in the East and they just made dramatic improvements at the two most important positions. Who cares about draft picks.

Irving if the best 1v1 player in the NBA and now he'll be playing in the best system in the leauges. Hayward is the ultimate complimentary player on offense and Horford is a C that can spread the floor.

[12footrim]

This might even be enough to make Lebron rethink his future.

LeBron would start packing as soon as he realize IT needs help every defensive possesion. Oh wait, he already knew from that ECF basically what Cavs did to Celtic every damn time.

Again, context. The Cavs didn't stop anyone last year anyway. IT cost a third of Kyrie and they also get Crowder and a top 5 pick they can move if they need or try to get a young star on the rise as Lebron ages, and frankly weaken their only completion in the East. How are they not more attractive today than yesterday. What other team can he go to with the talent the Cavs have, they got better too, a cake walk to the finals and a top 5 future pick now to boot.

[t-rexCity]

The Nets pick simply ruins this deal for Celts. That's a guaranteed top 3 pick next year. This deal is a desperate move by both teams but Cavs win for sure. The Celts hard nosed D and new additions made them a direct threat to Cavs. This deal guarantees Cavs win the east again. I mean there was turmoil with Cavs and their biggest east rival not only solved their short term problems they also relieved them of lux tax and helped Cavs set up for future with the Nets pick. This is a very confusing move by the C's. Very disappointed.

[haste10176]

For those who say IT and Kyrie are basically the same player are completely wrong. Offensively yes they are both pretty awesome, but defensively is the dofference. No, nobody get it wrong that Kyrie was one of the worst defenders in the league, but it has to do with his effort more than his physical limitation. For IT, he is limited by his height.

Ok so one is short and the other is just lazy what a defense. You think this really makes it any better?

The fact is IT was a good bit BETTER on offense if you want to play that game. He had a higher PER and better offensive RPM nearly Identical by Real Plus minus overall because his offense was that much better and he's only 3 years older. He also had like the best clutch stats in the NBA last year.

The Cavs didn't stop anyone last year anyway. He's going to be playing the same role as Kyrie getting a bucket when needed oh yeah and for 1 third of the cost. That's the only point any of us are making and not only did they get that they got one of the best value 3 and D guys and a top 5 pick likely as well. What a fleecing. Context. Context

Come on man Kyrie is on a two year contract and 3-4 years younger and so cost controlled for two years and Isiah wanted the brinks truck so a third of the cost was irrelevant.. Kyrie is better in play offs than Isiah has ever been so who cares about regular season.. Kyrie is a champion and has hit clutch shots in the biggest games.. Kyrie is 6 foot 2 and has a lot of room for improvement due to his age.. This is easily a win for Boston.. The only mitigating factor is they probably could of had butler for just the nets pick.. A two way player who can not shoot but is better at everything else I probably would have preferred that deal..

[hyberx]

This might even be enough to make Lebron rethink his future.

LeBron would start packing as soon as he realize IT needs help every defensive possesion. Oh wait, he already knew from that ECF basically what Cavs did to Celtic every damn time.

Again, context. The Cavs didn't stop anyone last year anyway. IT cost a third of Kyrie and they also get Crowder and a top 5 pick they can move if they need or try to get a young star on the rise as Lebron ages, and frankly weaken their only completion in the East. How are they not more attractive today than yesterday. What other team can he go to with the talent the Cavs have, they got better too, a cake walk to the finals and a top 5 future pick now to boot.

Cavs were good defensively under Blatt. IT will get paid big time next year or Cavs let him go for nothing. Crowder is good for his contract but not much more these couple years. A top 5 future pick means nothing for LeBron, just see how he traded Wiggins the 1st overall pick.

[SkyHookFTW]

LeBron's going to Philly next year if they stay healthy and get into the playoffs. I feel it.

[hyberx]

For those who say IT and Kyrie are basically the same player are completely wrong. Offensively yes they are both pretty awesome, but defensively is the dofference. No, nobody get it wrong that Kyrie was one of the worst defenders in the league, but it has to do with his effort more than his physical limitation. For IT, he is limited by his height.

Ok so one is short and the other is just lazy what a defense. You think this really makes it any better?

The fact is IT was a good bit BETTER on offense if you want to play that game. He had a higher PER and better offensive RPM nearly Identical by Real Plus minus overall because his offense was that much better and he's only 3 years older. He also had like the best clutch stats in the NBA last year.

The Cavs didn't stop anyone last year anyway. He's going to be playing the same role as Kyrie getting a bucket when needed oh yeah and for 1 third of the cost. That's the only point any of us are making and not only did they get that they got one of the best value 3 and D guys and a top 5 pick likely as well. What a fleecing. Context. Context

Lack of effort is all about coaching, you have to be really ignorant not to see the difference from physical limitation.

IT as the main offense guy for his team has better stat than Kyrie who has to share that end with LeBron? Oh who knew Einstein, lol.

In basketball "only 3" year is the difference between you are in your prime vs you are over the hill, lol. Are you paying IT the max into his 30s for a 5'9 guy with shoes on or not.

[haste10176]

OK, now Boston is scary.

Disagree. Think its the other way around.

Boston still hasn't addressed one of their biggest weaknesses in rebounding. They lost a lot of key role players in Bradley, Crowder, and Olynk, whom finished 2-4 on their team in rebounding. Im thinking Boston makes another move to address their issue whether this comes at the trade deadline or in the near future I am sure this will happen. Also side not Bradley, Crowder, and Olynk finished in the top 6 in many categories last season including steals, fta, fg's, rebounds, assists, etc. I am not so sure what Kyrie will be able to do "on his own." I still see Boston as a top 2 seed but they will be no better than they were last year especially looking at the way Isaiah fit Brad Stevens system. Not so sure how Kyrie fits the mold.

Cleveland on the other hand gets a lot more depth which is why they are a lot better. Isaiah can play off the ball which is what LeBron needs but it will be interesting as to what happens in close games where LeBron needs help. Isaiah's hip may be a concern tho which in addition to being unable to max him may have been the reason Boston was willing to let him leave. Cleveland will obviously be the 1 or 2 seed but they will be even better than they were in the past in the playoffs especially with LeBron now being able to play less minutes during in the regular season.

So if Boston trades for Demarcus Cousins if not working in NO this makes them much much better?

[haste10176]

I think Celtics give up way too much. Giving up that #1 pick is too much. Thomas is just as good as Kyrie imo. Kyrie maybe a little bit better but Thomas shoot the lights out.

Ahh just so you know the season has not yet started.. Nets may not get the number 1 pick.. For starters bulls and pacers will be pretty bad and the east is fairly weak.. Nets did trade away their best player in Lopez for the youth of Russel though so will be interesting to say the least..

[12footrim]

Come on man Kyrie is on a two year contract and 3-4 years younger and so cost controlled for two years and Isiah wanted the brinks truck so a third of the cost was irrelevant..

Almost exactly 3 years, not 4. Also look at the headline, he Cavs save 29.1 MILLION dollars this season. That's clearly not irrelevant.

IT will have a market next year to deal with to get that brinks truck. Who as the money and needs a point guard? Point out the team that has the cash to give it to him? They probably get him on a pretty favorable deal to come back.

Kyrie is better in play offs than Isiah has ever been so who cares about regular season.. Kyrie is a champion and has hit clutch shots in the biggest games..

It helps to have Lebron on your team you know. How did he look before Lebron got there? Was he ever able to lead a team to the playoffs much less a #1 seed. It's not like Boston had that great of talent around IT.

Kyrie is 6 foot 2 and has a lot of room for improvement due to his age..

Maybe, but he's barely improved since his rookie year. His PER is like 2 points higher even with Lebron taking the pressure off him.

This is easily a win for Boston..

Which Crowder and his elite RPM and great contract, with a top 5 Brooklyn pick and with 30 million in savings this is a joke.

A top 5 future pick means nothing for LeBron, just see how he traded Wiggins the 1st overall pick.

Means nothing. Hardly. The Cavs have the salary and pick they could go get another all star quality player if that's what they wanted and Lebron signaled he would stay and wanted.