haste10176 wrote:Donnyxc wrote:smittybanton wrote:LOL. Doesnt matter what they told Cleveland. Trades aren't final until the physical. Cavs saw something they don't like. They don't have to go forward. Period. Cleveland can take Kyrie back and work another deal. Boston burnt their bridge entirely with Isaiah Thomas and Jae Crowder, and its hard to imagine them finding another player of Kyrie's caliber they can get with those two.
All these news stories keep pushing Boston's perspective. Just like the trade deadline. It won't matter. Cavs are going to do whats best for them, and the idea is not to commit to a dude who has hip issues and doesn't play defense to begin with.
They can move Kyrie to someone else. The Cavs want players they can build around once Lebron leaves. Denver has some nice pieces, if the goal is to match Jae Crowder, a first round pick, and a broke-down Isaiah Thomas.
As a fan of neither team, I'm not sure why this is seen as particularly vexing.
Nah. The Celtics were up front about Isaiah's health. It's been put out publicly that he isn't running yet, but he's doing shooting drills and working out on the bike.
Boston isn't going to have any trouble finding trade value for Jae Crowder on the market, with his league friendly contract. There will be plenty of suitors. Plus they keep the Nets Pick.
Cleveland, on the other hand HAS to trade Kyrie. He's said multiple times that he doesn't have an issue with not playing during Training Camp. Other teams already know the Celtics offer, so Cleveland isn't going to get a better deal than they currently got -- as Team's already know the Cav's have shown all their cards. They have no leverage.
On the other hand. Gilbert may just not see any offers he likes, and go through with this Trade on Thursday. Ho Hum.
What is annoying here is Cavs are not saying they did not know Isiah had a problem with the hip they are saying after the examination it looks worse than what boston described and believe he may miss longer portions of the season than anticipated.. As far as have to trade Kyrie.. No cavs don't Kyrie is on a contract for two more years Cavs can keep him and play it out see if they can convince him to stay post LBJ by putting pieces around him he wants.. Boston on the other hand have to trade Thomas because he has one year left on his deal then wants max money but their bigger issue is they will have no starting point gaurd come the beginning of the season.. They have also sold the fan base on Kyrie/Hayward tandem... Kyrie is 25 and a super star on a good contract for the next two years allowing them to make further moves.. Boston have to make this trade happen they will give something up.. Its funny Kyrie is moving to a far worse team though... He is substituting LBJ for Hayward and Love for Horford.. That is clearly a weaker team... In fact that team reminds me somewhat of the Atlanta Hawks.. Good but not that good..
The Celtics are in a good place. You have to understand Brad Steven's offense to see why not having Isaiah to start the season is fine. Terry Rozier led the league in the playoffs in +/-. He is ready to step in as the primary ball handler when asked... but also Brad Steven's is going to have multiple people handle the ball in the Celtics spread offense. Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Smart can all handle the ball. Brad is focusing on positionless basketball, a la Golden State, with ball handler, wings, and bigs.
Last season Isaiah Thomas single handedly carried a team of "role players" to the Eastern Conference Finals. I think adding Kyrie actually makes them slightly weaker in the short term -- if that deal goes through. But the combinations of Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, the LAL/SAC pick, Hayward, Horford put this team in a great position in the long run. They may not be as good as the Cavs yet, but they are in a historically weak Eastern Conference.
If the trade gets voided, the Celtics can take their time with Isaiah Thomas offers. If his hip isn't as bad as they say it is, they can offer him a max contract next summer (assuming he isn't too hurt by the trade rumors, which I understand).
They can also take their time with Jae Crowder's AMAZING contract and offers for him. Plus they keep the Nets pick and Zizic.
If the trade does go through... then we're talking about the Team probably needing a year to Gel. I have faith in Brad, and a starting 5 of Kyrie + Jaylen/Smart + Hayward + Tatum/Morris + Horford/Baynes is going to do some damage in the East. So to answer your point, no, Kyrie isn't moving to a far worse team. He's moving to a team without LeBron which is not as good, but he still has a shot to lead that team and be "the guy". My one hope is that Brad beats the "ISO Joe" out of him and Defense into him.
The team is completely different than the Atlanta Hawks. That's a poor take. That team had aging vets, while the Celtics have two young studs, potentially 3 with Kyrie, and plenty of versatility. Their Bench is strong and full of young players... Semi Ojeleye, Guerschon Yabusele, Abdel Nader (D League MVP). There is a lot of potential. If they trade for kyrie, they benefit in the long run. If they keep Isaiah... they will have questions, but will also have opportunity to draft a young guard in next year's draft. These are good problems to have. I love Isaiah, and he had one of the most historic seasons in Celtic's history. But I think it may be a good business decision to trade him, whether to Cleveland or not.
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