Wolves Aggressively Trying To Acquire No. 4 From Pelicans

Post #1 » by **RealGM Wiretap** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:21 am

The Minnesota Timberwolves have been aggressive in their attempt to trade up from No. 11 to No. 4.

The New Orleans Pelicans have been open to trading out of No. 4 since before they acquired the pick from the Los Angeles Lakers.

The Wolves are believed to be targeting Darius Garland.

Via Marc Stein/New York Times

bockingknickers · Post #2 » by **bockingknickers** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:54 am

HEs undersized with a bad knee. What am I missing here? Must not be many point guards in the draft.

donaldtrump_00 · Post #3 » by **donaldtrump_00** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:29 am

bockingknickers wrote:HEs undersized with a bad knee. What am I missing here? Must not be many point guards in the draft.

He's recovered now and Trae young is the trend setter for teams loving these players. Undersized is not even a thing anymore

the_process · Post #4 » by **the_process** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:58 am

Why are the Wolves focused on a rookie PG? Would’ve thought with KAT they’d want more of a win now option. I guess the advanced stats like Garland?

dice · Post #5 » by **dice** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:50 am

donaldtrump_00 wrote:
bockingknickers wrote:HEs undersized with a bad knee. What am I missing here? Must not be many point guards in the draft.
He's recovered now and Trae young is the trend setter for teams loving these players. Undersized is not even a thing anymore

it is when you can't guard a houseplant. which is true of trae young. if you need trae young's offensive skills to overcome your size, size is very much still an issue

don't expect many men of average height or slight of frame to be flooding into the league based on trae young's example that "yes, you too can play in the nba, pipsqueak!"

dice · Post #6 » by **dice** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:52 am

the_process wrote:Why are the Wolves focused on a rookie PG? Would’ve thought with KAT they’d want more of a win now option. I guess the advanced stats like Garland?

the wolves will not be winning as long as wiggins is on the roster unless they hit a homerun by drafting a superstar. but yeah, garland is highly unlikely to be that guy

Rek · Post #7 » by **Rek** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:54 am

dice wrote:
the_process wrote:Why are the Wolves focused on a rookie PG? Would’ve thought with KAT they’d want more of a win now option. I guess the advanced stats like Garland?

the wolves will not be winning as long as wiggins is on the roster unless they hit a homerun by drafting a superstar. but yeah, garland is highly unlikely to be that guy

Nailed this answer. They are stuck with that contract for a while. Might as well groom your PG of the future now.

luss54321 · Post #8 » by **luss54321** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:34 am

donaldtrump_00 wrote:
bockingknickers wrote:HEs undersized with a bad knee. What am I missing here? Must not be many point guards in the draft.

He's recovered now and Trae young is the trend setter for teams loving these players. Undersized is not even a thing anymore

Trae Young who shot 41 FG% and 32% from 3PT while playing some of the worst defense in the league...? I wouldn't call him a trendsetter. We don't even know if he can be a good NBA player yet.

Revived · Post #9 » by **Revived** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:20 am

luss54321 wrote:
donaldtrump_00 wrote:
bockingknickers wrote:HEs undersized with a bad knee. What am I missing here? Must not be many point guards in the draft.

He's recovered now and Trae young is the trend setter for teams loving these players. Undersized is not even a thing anymore

Trae Young who shot 41 FG% and 32% from 3PT while playing some of the worst defense in the league...? I wouldn't call him a trendsetter. We don't even know if he can be a good NBA player yet.

No the same Trae Young who had nearly a 2/1 assist ratio and was by far the 2nd best rookie of the draft behind only Luka.

br7knicks · Post #10 » by **br7knicks** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:25 am

Isn't Garland a hard-working player?

Thought the Timberwolves only to for underachieving players who don't play defense or win

Fra Diavolo · Post #11 » by **Fra Diavolo** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:11 am

luss54321 wrote:
donaldtrump_00 wrote:Trae Young who shot 41 FG% and 32% from 3PT while playing some of the worst defense in the league...? I wouldn't call him a trendsetter. We don't even know if he can be a good NBA player yet.

Lebron James in rookie season had 41,7% FG and 29% 3PT (only 2,7 attempts)...
Luka Doncic, the best rookie past season, had almost the same: 42,7% FG and 32,7% 3PT...

Doncic isn't great defender either, so far.

Great conclusion, indeed.

Killboard · Post #12 » by **Killboard** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:45 pm

br7knicks wrote:Isn't Garland a hard-working player?

Thought the Timberwolves only to for underachieving players who don't play defense or win

So, they are like the knicks but with offensive talent.
The knicks have won more games than the wolves last season 3 times in the last 15 years.

Killboard · Post #13 » by **Killboard** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:50 pm

Rek wrote:
dice wrote:
the_process wrote:Why are the Wolves focused on a rookie PG? Would’ve thought with KAT they’d want more of a win now option. I guess the advanced stats like Garland?

the wolves will not be winning as long as wiggins is on the roster unless they hit a homerun by drafting a superstar. but yeah, garland is highly unlikely to be that guy

Nailed this answer. They are stuck with that contract for a while. Might as well groom your PG of the future now.

Towns is entering the 1st year of his extension so we have 2 seasons to figure out. The last season with Roco heatlhy the team was playing .500 ball. If we can get help by flipping Teague expiring(who also lost a good share of games),11th or MLE and some internal grow (KAT, Saric, Okogie, KBD) this team will battle for the 7th-8th seed.

br7knicks · Post #14 » by **br7knicks** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:20 pm

Killboard wrote:
br7knicks wrote:Isn't Garland a hard-working player?

Thought the Timberwolves only to for underachieving players who don't play defense or win

So, they are like the knicks but with offensive talent.
The knicks have won more games than the wolves last season 3 times in the last 15 years.

Not really. Twolves are embracing losing, based on their decision making with players and personnel choices.

That's kindve a dumb, random, and irrelevant fact. Most teams look to the future, not the past. But you're allowed to run any direction you wish.

You pulled a baseball-esque stat that has nothing to do with what's currently happening. Like, how the red Sox defeated the Yankees in 70% of games from 1953 to 1977. It makes no sense. Was cute though

Knicks will just forever be in lottery if they don't start making better decisions, though.

Killboard · Post #15 » by **Killboard** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:12 pm

br7knicks wrote:
Killboard wrote:
br7knicks wrote:Isn't Garland a hard-working player?

Thought the Timberwolves only to for underachieving players who don't play defense or win

So, they are like the knicks but with offensive talent.
The knicks have won more games than the wolves last season 3 times in the last 15 years.

Not really. Twolves are embracing losing, based on their decision making with players and personnel choices..

Wolves did win now decisions that didnt bring long term success. Thibs traded Lavine and the 7th pick for Butler. Then went out and overpaid Teague and Taj after extending Wiggins early (Im not sure he made the call, but didnt refuse neither), extended Dieng early and didnt want to trade Butler when he demanded a trade in the offseason, which derailed in an awful start of the season, Thibodeu fired, and probably never getting hired again for a head coach position. Wolves had two All-NBA players last season and won 47 games. So exactly the opposite of your interpretation.

Now we have a new GM in place who has brought in top assistant coaches from succesful organizations. He also signed Hinkie right hand in Philly. Its a change its happening right now, not in the past. Plus, since the Wolves hired Adelman in 2011-12 the Wolves only tanked the season they landed KAT, after Rubio missed 60 games injured.

Rek · Post #16 » by **Rek** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:47 pm

Killboard wrote:
Rek wrote:
dice wrote:the wolves will not be winning as long as wiggins is on the roster unless they hit a homerun by drafting a superstar. but yeah, garland is highly unlikely to be that guy

Nailed this answer. They are stuck with that contract for a while. Might as well groom your PG of the future now.

Towns is entering the 1st year of his extension so we have 2 seasons to figure out. The last season with Roco heatlhy the team was playing .500 ball. If we can get help by flipping Teague expiring(who also lost a good share of games),11th or MLE and some internal grow (KAT, Saric, Okogie, KBD) this team will battle for the 7th-8th seed.

The Wolves have several good to great players. They're just paying the price for that Wiggins contract. He's entirely the issue.

Killboard · Post #17 » by **Killboard** » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:55 pm

Rek wrote:
Killboard wrote:
Rek wrote:Nailed this answer. They are stuck with that contract for a while. Might as well groom your PG of the future now.

Towns is entering the 1st year of his extension so we have 2 seasons to figure out. The last season with Roco heatlhy the team was playing .500 ball. If we can get help by flipping Teague expiring(who also lost a good share of games),11th or MLE and some internal grow (KAT, Saric, Okogie, KBD) this team will battle for the 7th-8th seed.

The Wolves have several good to great players. They're just paying the price for that Wiggins contract. He's entirely the issue.

Well, Teague underpeformed and Dieng contract is also a big problem. Wiggins problem is bigger, but the 3 together are making 60M.