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Hawks Tell Trae Young Roster Changes Coming Soon 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Mon Dec 9, 2019 4:30 pm

Following a recent home loss to the Brooklyn Nets, a high ranking official of the Atlanta Hawks was seen telling Trae Young that they would be getting him some help on the roster soon.


The Hawks have lost 11 of their past 13 games.


Atlanta has been without John Collins and Kevin Huerter, who are two key pieces in their rotation.

Via Shams Charania/The Athletic

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Post#2 » by kenwood3333 » Mon Dec 9, 2019 6:05 pm

Love to Atlanta for fillers and 2nd picks
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Post#3 » by beefman » Mon Dec 9, 2019 6:35 pm

kenwood3333 wrote:Love to Atlanta for fillers and 2nd picks


Question: if you were a cavs fan, would you trade love for Parsons and a 2nd round pick?
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Post#4 » by the_process » Mon Dec 9, 2019 7:42 pm

beefman wrote:
kenwood3333 wrote:Love to Atlanta for fillers and 2nd picks


Question: if you were a cavs fan, would you trade love for Parsons and a 2nd round pick?


That trade would be the Cavs just dumping Love's salary. Even if Love is pissed, it doesn't benefit them to just dump his salary. They aren't signing any FA's anyway.
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Post#5 » by kenwood3333 » Mon Dec 9, 2019 9:32 pm

beefman wrote:
kenwood3333 wrote:Love to Atlanta for fillers and 2nd picks


Question: if you were a cavs fan, would you trade love for Parsons and a 2nd round pick?


An unhappy veteran player is toxic to a young and unstable locker room. The longer this drags on the less the Cav is going to get.
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Post#6 » by tidho » Mon Dec 9, 2019 9:42 pm

kenwood3333 wrote:
beefman wrote:
kenwood3333 wrote:Love to Atlanta for fillers and 2nd picks


Question: if you were a cavs fan, would you trade love for Parsons and a 2nd round pick?


An unhappy veteran player is toxic to a young and unstable locker room. The longer this drags on the less the Cav is going to get.

"toxic"?

when did that word enter into the equation?
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Post#7 » by tidho » Mon Dec 9, 2019 9:54 pm

beefman wrote:
kenwood3333 wrote:Love to Atlanta for fillers and 2nd picks


Question: if you were a cavs fan, would you trade love for Parsons and a 2nd round pick?


Parsons and Bruno, to help CLE sell it.
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Post#8 » by PHXCavaliers » Mon Dec 9, 2019 10:19 pm

Hunter or Bembry and a 2nd for Love get it done Kobi
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Post#9 » by AirCanadaMouse » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:12 am

PHXCavaliers wrote:Hunter or Bembry and a 2nd for Love get it done Kobi


Do you not understand the basic concept of matching salaries so that trades can actually work? :crazy:
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Post#10 » by grindtime22 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:01 am

the_process wrote:
beefman wrote:
kenwood3333 wrote:Love to Atlanta for fillers and 2nd picks


Question: if you were a cavs fan, would you trade love for Parsons and a 2nd round pick?


That trade would be the Cavs just dumping Love's salary. Even if Love is pissed, it doesn't benefit them to just dump his salary. They aren't signing any FA's anyway.


Maybe maybe not. They may find free agents they like, they just won't be at the top tier guys.

Beyond that, people continually underestimate the value of salary cap space with a long term rebuild. You don't have to sign guys. You can take bad money on. If you just used that 30 million every year to take bad money, you end up with 4, 5, 6 mid to late 1st round picks over the next 3 years. If they can get an asset without adding long term money, then great. If not, clearing that space is still a good option.
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grindtime22 wrote:
the_process wrote:
beefman wrote:
Question: if you were a cavs fan, would you trade love for Parsons and a 2nd round pick?


That trade would be the Cavs just dumping Love's salary. Even if Love is pissed, it doesn't benefit them to just dump his salary. They aren't signing any FA's anyway.


Maybe maybe not. They may find free agents they like, they just won't be at the top tier guys.

Beyond that, people continually underestimate the value of salary cap space with a long term rebuild. You don't have to sign guys. You can take bad money on. If you just used that 30 million every year to take bad money, you end up with 4, 5, 6 mid to late 1st round picks over the next 3 years. If they can get an asset without adding long term money, then great. If not, clearing that space is still a good option.


No, everyone thinks salary cap space is great. But everything out there says CLE wants some value and are even willing to eat some bad money to get it. If they are going to eat the bad money to deal him, then they aren't dumping him to use the space to eat bad deals later.
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Post#12 » by the_process » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:52 am

PHXCavaliers wrote:Hunter or Bembry and a 2nd for Love get it done Kobi


Bembry, Parsons, and a future 2nd could be interesting.
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Post#13 » by grindtime22 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:43 am

the_process wrote:
grindtime22 wrote:
the_process wrote:
That trade would be the Cavs just dumping Love's salary. Even if Love is pissed, it doesn't benefit them to just dump his salary. They aren't signing any FA's anyway.


Maybe maybe not. They may find free agents they like, they just won't be at the top tier guys.

Beyond that, people continually underestimate the value of salary cap space with a long term rebuild. You don't have to sign guys. You can take bad money on. If you just used that 30 million every year to take bad money, you end up with 4, 5, 6 mid to late 1st round picks over the next 3 years. If they can get an asset without adding long term money, then great. If not, clearing that space is still a good option.


No, everyone thinks salary cap space is great. But everything out there says CLE wants some value and are even willing to eat some bad money to get it. If they are going to eat the bad money to deal him, then they aren't dumping him to use the space to eat bad deals later.


I'm sure they are willing to take some bad money. Eat it now, or eat it later, it ultimately doesn't matter. Ultimately, the bad money is going to bring as much "value" as Love does. The space is where the value lies. There is absolutely a benefit to clearing his contract off the books, which you disputed.

If they take on extra years of bad money right now, but land multiple 1st round picks, then great. It is a quicker route to the desired goal. Holding onto Love beyond next summer, because they can't get what they want, will end up benefiting them less than clearing his cap with expirings this year.
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Post#14 » by the_process » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:06 am

grindtime22 wrote:
the_process wrote:
grindtime22 wrote:
Maybe maybe not. They may find free agents they like, they just won't be at the top tier guys.

Beyond that, people continually underestimate the value of salary cap space with a long term rebuild. You don't have to sign guys. You can take bad money on. If you just used that 30 million every year to take bad money, you end up with 4, 5, 6 mid to late 1st round picks over the next 3 years. If they can get an asset without adding long term money, then great. If not, clearing that space is still a good option.


No, everyone thinks salary cap space is great. But everything out there says CLE wants some value and are even willing to eat some bad money to get it. If they are going to eat the bad money to deal him, then they aren't dumping him to use the space to eat bad deals later.


I'm sure they are willing to take some bad money. Eat it now, or eat it later, it ultimately doesn't matter. Ultimately, the bad money is going to bring as much "value" as Love does. The space is where the value lies. There is absolutely a benefit to clearing his contract off the books, which you disputed.

If they take on extra years of bad money right now, but land multiple 1st round picks, then great. It is a quicker route to the desired goal. Holding onto Love beyond next summer, because they can't get what they want, will end up benefiting them less than clearing his cap with expirings this year.


Sure. Going forward into next season there's an opportunity cost for holding on to Love. I'm just talking about right now, though.
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Post#15 » by beefman » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:07 pm

the_process wrote:
beefman wrote:
kenwood3333 wrote:Love to Atlanta for fillers and 2nd picks


Question: if you were a cavs fan, would you trade love for Parsons and a 2nd round pick?


That trade would be the Cavs just dumping Love's salary. Even if Love is pissed, it doesn't benefit them to just dump his salary. They aren't signing any FA's anyway.


you didn't answer the question. if you were a cavs fan and your GM made that trade, would you be happy with it?
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Post#16 » by beefman » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:07 pm

kenwood3333 wrote:
beefman wrote:
kenwood3333 wrote:Love to Atlanta for fillers and 2nd picks


Question: if you were a cavs fan, would you trade love for Parsons and a 2nd round pick?


An unhappy veteran player is toxic to a young and unstable locker room. The longer this drags on the less the Cav is going to get.


you didn't answer the question. if you were a cavs fan and your GM made that trade, would you be happy with it?
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Post#17 » by the_process » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:33 am

beefman wrote:
the_process wrote:
beefman wrote:
Question: if you were a cavs fan, would you trade love for Parsons and a 2nd round pick?


That trade would be the Cavs just dumping Love's salary. Even if Love is pissed, it doesn't benefit them to just dump his salary. They aren't signing any FA's anyway.


you didn't answer the question. if you were a cavs fan and your GM made that trade, would you be happy with it?


Love for Parsons' expiring and a 2nd? No, I would hate that deal as CLE.

If the Hawks added Bembry and another 2nd, then I'd feel entirely differently about it.
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