Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course'

Moderators: bwgood77, Domejandro

RealGM Wiretap
RealGM
Posts: 102,403
And1: 292
Joined: Mar 19, 2013

Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:47 pm

While Joel Embiid insisted to reporters on Monday that he would like to continue playing with Ben Simmons, the feeling is not mutual.


“It has run its course,” the source said of their pairing.


Simmons perceives the way the Philadelphia 76ers have built around Embiid as not being conducive to the way he wants to play.


When the 76ers flew to Los Angeles to meet with Simmons in August, they came equipped with reasons for why he should want to stay, which even included a statistically based presentation featuring the success of the Embiid-Simmons pairing. His view and his uneasy feeling about the fit remain unchanged.

Via Sam Amick/The Athletic

MitchB3
Starter
Posts: 2,320
And1: 144
Joined: Jul 04, 2014
 

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#2 » by MitchB3 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:14 pm

"When the 76ers flew to Los Angeles to meet with Simmons in August, they came equipped with reasons for why he should want to stay, which even included a statistically based presentation featuring the success of the Embiid-Simmons pairing." This sentence right here is why the Sixers haven't made it to the ECF since Embiid and Simmons became a duo. Ben is not your typical point guard and Embiid wants to occasionally step out and hit a 3 but he really shouldn't be that far out from the basket, to begin with.
HotelVitale
RealGM
Posts: 14,595
And1: 9,767
Joined: Sep 14, 2007
Location: West Philly, PA

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#3 » by HotelVitale » Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:41 pm

MitchB3 wrote:"When the 76ers flew to Los Angeles to meet with Simmons in August, they came equipped with reasons for why he should want to stay, which even included a statistically based presentation featuring the success of the Embiid-Simmons pairing." This sentence right here is why the Sixers haven't made it to the ECF since Embiid and Simmons became a duo. Ben is not your typical point guard and Embiid wants to occasionally step out and hit a 3 but he really shouldn't be that far out from the basket, to begin with.

There's no simple reason. Joel is still very much developing his game and decision-making in tighter circumstances against good defenses, he was bad a few years back and has gotten better, but he's still not a strong closer and still struggles with health and conditioning as the game drags on. If Joel were better as a closer and as good of a 4th quarter guy as a 1st quarter guy, then the Sixers would've at least reached one ECF so far.

And if Simmons had figured out SOME way to do anything on half-court offense against tight defenses then the same result would be likely. He really does disappear and take himself out of important games, and this last year it was as bad as anything we've seen.

(Also if the Sixers didn't happen to run into a god-like Kawhi in that 2019 series they'd have won that series, though that was outside of their control.)
Pacewrs05
Ballboy
Posts: 49
And1: 8
Joined: May 24, 2021
         

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#4 » by Pacewrs05 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:58 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
MitchB3 wrote:"When the 76ers flew to Los Angeles to meet with Simmons in August, they came equipped with reasons for why he should want to stay, which even included a statistically based presentation featuring the success of the Embiid-Simmons pairing." This sentence right here is why the Sixers haven't made it to the ECF since Embiid and Simmons became a duo. Ben is not your typical point guard and Embiid wants to occasionally step out and hit a 3 but he really shouldn't be that far out from the basket, to begin with.

There's no simple reason. Joel is still very much developing his game and decision-making in tighter circumstances against good defenses, he was bad a few years back and has gotten better, but he's still not a strong closer and still struggles with health and conditioning as the game drags on. If Joel were better as a closer and as good of a 4th quarter guy as a 1st quarter guy, then the Sixers would've at least reached one ECF so far.

And if Simmons had figured out SOME way to do anything on half-court offense against tight defenses then the same result would be likely. He really does disappear and take himself out of important games, and this last year it was as bad as anything we've seen.

(Also if the Sixers didn't happen to run into a god-like Kawhi in that 2019 series they'd have won that series, though that was outside of their control.)



Look if he just hit 75% of free throws it would change everything. I always thought he was over valued. Great defensive player, great court vision not elite in terms of salary or honors, ie all star ect. He is the 3-4th option. He would fit in better with a team that has shooters.
IWishIWasHarden
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,567
And1: 159
Joined: Nov 25, 2013

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#5 » by IWishIWasHarden » Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:29 pm

They haven't built around anyone. They've just filled in the gaps as best they could with some nice wings to compliment a PG and C.

And Simmons needs that C because he can actually shoot.
RedSalsa
Sophomore
Posts: 215
And1: 85
Joined: Aug 20, 2021

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#6 » by RedSalsa » Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:36 pm

Lol

Try not passing up on a wide open dunk Benita and not hiding in the playoffs. Lmao
ALPHAandOMEGA
Rookie
Posts: 1,092
And1: 320
Joined: Dec 24, 2005
Location: The Woodlands, TX
     

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#7 » by ALPHAandOMEGA » Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:00 pm

Simmons needs to stop talking. His delusional self image is incredible. He just isnt good enough of a basketball player to act like this.
kenwood3333
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,102
And1: 3,191
Joined: Dec 10, 2013

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#8 » by kenwood3333 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:42 pm

Building around the better and more mature player sounds like a no brainer.
CobraCommander
RealGM
Posts: 22,178
And1: 13,785
Joined: May 01, 2014
       

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#9 » by CobraCommander » Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:48 pm

kenwood3333 wrote:Building around the better and more mature player sounds like a no brainer.

Yes
Pickled Prunes
Head Coach
Posts: 7,489
And1: 1,204
Joined: Sep 14, 2010

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#10 » by Pickled Prunes » Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:11 pm

ALPHAandOMEGA wrote:Simmons needs to stop talking. His delusional self image is incredible. He just isnt good enough of a basketball player to act like this.

But everybody kept telling him he was... until they didn't.
User avatar
Lovetron Joe
Rookie
Posts: 1,146
And1: 482
Joined: Dec 26, 2014
       

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#11 » by Lovetron Joe » Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:28 pm

Assume he is willing to forgo the remaining $144,000,000 left on his contract.
Twinkie defense
RealGM
Posts: 18,800
And1: 1,082
Joined: Jul 15, 2005

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#12 » by Twinkie defense » Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:37 pm

"Simmons perceives the way the Philadelphia 76ers have built around Embiid as not being conducive to the way he wants to play."

Ben Simmons is 100% correct.
phillynative
General Manager
Posts: 8,772
And1: 2,714
Joined: Dec 13, 2014

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#13 » by phillynative » Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:01 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:"Simmons perceives the way the Philadelphia 76ers have built around Embiid as not being conducive to the way he wants to play."

Ben Simmons is 100% correct.


Building around Embiid would be having a shot creator and a PG that can shoot. I don't see where that has ever occurred for him.
User avatar
Gianstoppable
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,460
And1: 1,620
Joined: Jan 07, 2015
     

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#14 » by Gianstoppable » Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:05 pm

When you date a Kardashian you get delusional :P
#FreeChuckDiesel
Twinkie defense
RealGM
Posts: 18,800
And1: 1,082
Joined: Jul 15, 2005

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#15 » by Twinkie defense » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:16 am

phillynative wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:"Simmons perceives the way the Philadelphia 76ers have built around Embiid as not being conducive to the way he wants to play."

Ben Simmons is 100% correct.


Building around Embiid would be having a shot creator and a PG that can shoot. I don't see where that has ever occurred for him.

Embiid is obviously the core player for the Sixers. I think that's a mistake. You can win a Championship with Embiid - if you can time travel him back to 1984.
User avatar
TimeisIllmatic
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,618
And1: 318
Joined: Aug 18, 2020
       

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#16 » by TimeisIllmatic » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:55 am

Is Ben saying all this or is the media speaking for him?
User avatar
deeps6x
General Manager
Posts: 9,490
And1: 5,873
Joined: Nov 28, 2008
     

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#17 » by deeps6x » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:45 am

A 'source' said...
BoyzNTheHood wrote:I apologize, I have incredibly small genitalia
Temuhjan
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,780
And1: 321
Joined: Nov 25, 2013
 

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#18 » by Temuhjan » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:53 am

The Teams are saying you have run your course in the L. Pack your bags and go to China.
the_process
RealGM
Posts: 26,388
And1: 8,705
Joined: May 01, 2010

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#19 » by the_process » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:18 am

I guarantee this all goes back to Bryan Colangelo, telling Ben he’s the man and we will build the team around you. Probably had plans to trade Jo, too. Dude was a disaster.
bnba1983
Freshman
Posts: 66
And1: 40
Joined: Dec 15, 2014

Re: Ben Simmons Feels Pairing With Joel Embiid Has 'Run Its Course' 

Post#20 » by bnba1983 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:01 am

It should be illegal to mention "a source said" in an article. That's fcking bullshXt!
Philadelphia 76ers 2014-15 SEASON HIGHLIGHT MOVIE
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1393726#p43970806

Return to Wiretap Discussion