Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons

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Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Fri Oct 8, 2021 1:53 pm

The Philadelphia 76ers and Portland Trail Blazers have engaged on trade discussions for Ben Simmons. The talks centered around a swap of Simmons for C.J. McCollum, but died due to Philadelphia seeking multiple first round picks. Daryl Morey reportedly asked for three first round picks and pick swaps in the intervening years, in addition to McCollum.


To this point, the Sixers have found little traction in Simmons trade talks. Morey continues to set a high price for his disgruntled All-Star.


The 76ers have kept and open dialogue with Simmons' camp, but nothing has changed with Simmons' trade request. Simmons has reportedly packed and moved his belongings from his Philadelphia-area home. He'll soon list the home for sale, as he continues to hold out for a trade.

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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#2 » by Cookin Baskets » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:05 pm

You have got to be kidding me?? Just take Mccollum why do we need extra compensation/picks!! We don't need extra picks dude. We just want to get rid of Simmons!! At this rate we'll be lucky to get Buddy Hield. It's like the 76ers don't understand how low Simmons value truly is right now. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#3 » by kalel123 » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:33 pm

This is why the deals never got done. If you wanted full value for him, they should've focused on recouping value by repairing relationship at all costs and getting him to play this year BEFORE any talks would start. If they wanted to trade, they should be more realistic about his current value, which is the lowest it's ever been. No team in their right mind will give up multiple first round picks and pick swaps along with an All-Star. Maybe ask for a first rounder or two but 3 first round picks and pick swaps inbetween is far from reasonable. That's insulting enough to put a full stop to any talk.

Stop this tiring nonsense and just focus on playing enough hard ball so that he'll crawl back to you. All these BS offers do is make other GM's not want to deal with Morey and Sixers in the future.
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Re: Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#4 » by fuller4379 » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:47 pm

They can ask whatever they want, but at some point they have to get realistic.
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#5 » by GunnerWRX » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:50 pm

Wow CJ + 3 picks + 2 pick swaps?
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#6 » by dougthonus » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:53 pm

I really hope Portland countered with McCollum for Embiid and 3 1st rounders plus pick swaps just for the lolz.
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#7 » by stinger14 » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:55 pm

Ridiculous, and if anything the wrong team getting picks here. If they can get McCollum to get rid of that pansy they should take it and run
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#8 » by Dennis 37 » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:58 pm

1. There is no guarantee his shot will ever get better.

2. He has hinted that his final destination will be California.

That's why no one will give anything close to equal value.

He is an excellent defensive talent with passing ability. He will only fit on a team with 4 starters who can shoot. Those teams will not trade one of those shooters if it only leaves them with three.
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#9 » by HiRez » Fri Oct 8, 2021 3:43 pm

Morey still hilariously delusional.
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#10 » by PerfectJab » Fri Oct 8, 2021 3:45 pm

The ask is definitely a little much.

This would make more sense...
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#11 » by HotelVitale » Fri Oct 8, 2021 3:51 pm

Folks seem to be missing all of the context for this, the same thing that has been reported over and over again. It's no secret that the Sixers don't want to trade Simmons for someone like McCollum right now--someone who's older and is very unlikely to be a missing piece for them. That's all that's on the able now and they know they can do something like that at any point, so they're committed to waiting a while to see how circumstances change. No one's sure how long they'll keep waiting.

You can disagree with that strategy but that's what you're seeing here. Morey doesn't actually think a team is going to trade 5 picks and someone like McCollum, he's just repeating that if a player like CJ or Levert or whatever is your main piece that's not going to do it now.
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#12 » by HiRez » Fri Oct 8, 2021 4:12 pm

HotelVitale wrote:Folks seem to be missing all of the context for this, the same thing that has been reported over and over again. It's no secret that the Sixers don't want to trade Simmons for someone like McCollum right now--someone who's older and is very unlikely to be a missing piece for them. That's all that's on the able now and they know they can do something like that at any point, so they're committed to waiting a while to see how circumstances change. No one's sure how long they'll keep waiting.

You can disagree with that strategy but that's what you're seeing here. Morey doesn't actually think a team is going to trade 5 picks and someone like McCollum, he's just repeating that if a player like CJ or Levert or whatever is your main piece that's not going to do it now.

That view sort of implies he thinks he's the one with the leverage, but I think he's the one who actually doesn't have much. Other teams can wait it out--no one needs Ben Simmons, but the longer Philly has $33M is salary cap sitting out, the more he's going to feel it.
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#13 » by HotelVitale » Fri Oct 8, 2021 4:19 pm

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HotelVitale wrote:Folks seem to be missing all of the context for this, the same thing that has been reported over and over again. It's no secret that the Sixers don't want to trade Simmons for someone like McCollum right now--someone who's older and is very unlikely to be a missing piece for them. That's all that's on the able now and they know they can do something like that at any point, so they're committed to waiting a while to see how circumstances change. No one's sure how long they'll keep waiting.

You can disagree with that strategy but that's what you're seeing here. Morey doesn't actually think a team is going to trade 5 picks and someone like McCollum, he's just repeating that if a player like CJ or Levert or whatever is your main piece that's not going to do it now.
That view sort of implies he thinks he's the one with the leverage, but I think he's the one who actually doesn't have much. Other teams can wait it out--no one needs Ben Simmons, but the longer Philly has $33M is salary cap sitting out, the more he's going to feel it.


No it doesn't. Like I said, the only thing this shows is the widely reported on fact that the Sixers are not seriously trying to make a deal happen around CJ McCollum right now. If the Sixers aren't interested and there's no real conversation, the question of leverage is irrelevant.

There are some grounds to criticize that strategy but folks seem to like yelling 'Morey is delusional?!' more. I get why but it's missing what's actually going on here.
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#14 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Oct 8, 2021 4:28 pm

HotelVitale wrote:Folks seem to be missing all of the context for this, the same thing that has been reported over and over again. It's no secret that the Sixers don't want to trade Simmons for someone like McCollum right now--someone who's older and is very unlikely to be a missing piece for them. That's all that's on the able now and they know they can do something like that at any point, so they're committed to waiting a while to see how circumstances change. No one's sure how long they'll keep waiting.

You can disagree with that strategy but that's what you're seeing here. Morey doesn't actually think a team is going to trade 5 picks and someone like McCollum, he's just repeating that if a player like CJ or Levert or whatever is your main piece that's not going to do it now.


McCollum plus Embiid might actually make a very nice duo IMO. Yes he's 30, but Embiid is not that much younger at 27.

The Sixers can ask for whatever they want, their asking price has been pretty clear. And the crickets from other front offices make their response pretty clear too. I mean I get it's negotiation, but you can also hurt yourself by pricing your asset too far beyond a realistic price.

We'll see if/when a deal is struck, how far sides move to get a deal done.
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Re: Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#15 » by Quattro » Fri Oct 8, 2021 4:30 pm

Morey is like that annoying guy in your fantasy league that spams ridiculous trade requests on a regular basis.
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#16 » by Jcity08 » Fri Oct 8, 2021 4:41 pm

I mean its nice to dream but I doubt any team bites on that type of "offer".
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#17 » by GOATTatum » Fri Oct 8, 2021 4:43 pm

McCollum for Simmons straight up sounds about right. If Morey also wants 3 1st rd picks, I stop anwsering his calls and emails.
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Post#18 » by Revived » Fri Oct 8, 2021 4:56 pm

Quattro wrote:Morey is like that annoying guy in your fantasy league that spams ridiculous trade requests on a regular basis.

That’s Danny Ainge.
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#19 » by HotelVitale » Fri Oct 8, 2021 5:30 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:Folks seem to be missing all of the context for this, the same thing that has been reported over and over again. It's no secret that the Sixers don't want to trade Simmons for someone like McCollum right now--someone who's older and is very unlikely to be a missing piece for them. That's all that's on the able now and they know they can do something like that at any point, so they're committed to waiting a while to see how circumstances change. No one's sure how long they'll keep waiting. You can disagree with that strategy but that's what you're seeing here. Morey doesn't actually think a team is going to trade 5 picks and someone like McCollum, he's just repeating that if a player like CJ or Levert or whatever is your main piece that's not going to do it now.
McCollum plus Embiid might actually make a very nice duo IMO. Yes he's 30, but Embiid is not that much younger at 27. The Sixers can ask for whatever they want, their asking price has been pretty clear. And the crickets from other front offices make their response pretty clear too. I mean I get it's negotiation, but you can also hurt yourself by pricing your asset too far beyond a realistic price. We'll see if/when a deal is struck, how far sides move to get a deal done.


Maybe I'm doing a bad job articulating this but what I keep trying to say is that there isn't a negotiation right now--the asking prices are crazy because the Sixers aren't looking to close the best possible deal based on Simmons' current (quite depressed) value. They already canvassed the league in the summer after FA and didn't find a deal they thought looked reasonable. Right now teams are already feeling set with their rotations so the Sixers decided to wait a while and see what happens with that; e.g. if the Blazers disappoint do they get more desperate, or if the TWolves have some key injuries, or if the Pacers go 8-14 to start the season, etc. i think they also hoped for a minute that SImmons would come back and improve his value, though that's looking very unlikely now. Again folks can disagree with that strategy but that's all we're seeing here.

Also re: McCollum, the hesitations are deeper than just him being a little older: he's a small guard and a weak defender, and the Sixers already have Curry and Maxey in that boat and they can't afford to get roasted on the perimeter and stay competitive. He's also injury prone and got that lingering foot issue. More importantly, McCollum also isn't a pure point or consistent initiator and that's the real issue the Sixers have faced--they don't have anyone who can initiate their offense in the halfcourt beyond Embiid and Harris isos and that's cost them big, and they can't afford to punt on that while also giving up the creation that Simmons brought (which despite its major limitations was consistent and very useful in the RS).
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Re: Sixers Asked For CJ McCollum And Three Firsts Plus Swaps For Ben Simmons 

Post#20 » by Myth » Fri Oct 8, 2021 6:13 pm

Cookin Baskets wrote:You have got to be kidding me?? Just take Mccollum why do we need extra compensation/picks!! We don't need extra picks dude. We just want to get rid of Simmons!! At this rate we'll be lucky to get Buddy Hield. It's like the 76ers don't understand how low Simmons value truly is right now. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Pluse Blazers would likely be fine having to give 1. 3 plus swaps is way too rich.

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