James Jones: We Didn't Have Real Negotiations With Deandre Ayton

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James Jones: We Didn't Have Real Negotiations With Deandre Ayton 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:54 pm

James Jones spoke with Sam Amick of The Athletic on Monday, just a few hours after the Phoenix Suns were able to agree to an extension with Deandre Ayton. Ayton will become a restricted free agent during the 2022 offseason.


Jones contends that the Suns were open to discussing the possibility of a three- or four-year max and that it was only the designated rookie five-year max that was completely off the table.


“We didn’t have real negotiations,” Jones said.


That notion, however, was strongly disputed by Ayton’s agents, Bill Duffy and Nima Namakian.


Teams cannot have more than two players on designated rookie max extension players on their team at any given time. Ayton's representatives were never told that by the Suns that was a consideration on why a five-year max wasn't offered. 


"We know it’s important to us; it’s important to him that we continue to progress and we continue to develop and we win (a title)," said Jones. "So when we talked about a focus this offseason, it was to continue to build this team. So for us, unfortunately, we are where we are (with Ayton). No agreement. We didn’t have real negotiations. You talk about conversations (with Ayton’s representatives, Bill Duffy and Nima ) — it was five-year, max extension like the other peers, the other former No. 1 picks, and that’s where the conversation started and ended. Anything less than a five-year max wasn’t something to be considered — not something to talk about. It’s evident. They talk about us having discussions on a three-year, four-year max (deals). Those are real."


Jones also contends that the perception that Robert Sarver is being frugal by not offering a five-year max to Ayton is misguided.


"It’s inaccurate," said Jones If you just look at the moves we’ve made, it’s inaccurate. It’s just not (true). If you look at all the moves we’ve made, and the things we’ve done, from the practice facility to the roster itself to acquiring Chris Paul, going and acquiring Jae Crowder, extending the guys that we have, that’s not accurate.


"When you boil this thing down, it’s disappointing that we didn’t get a deal done. It’s disappointing that it was a five-year-rookie-max-or-bust, or nothing to talk about, and we just didn’t have real substantial conversations. And that (idea that a) lack of a deal is a signal that we aren’t committed to Deandre or interested in continuing, that we don’t believe in him, that becomes the narrative. But it’s the furthest from the truth."

Via Sam Amick/The Athletic

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Re: James Jones: We Didn't Have Real Negotiations With Deandre Ayton 

Post#2 » by Risk Addict » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:42 pm

Ooooo greedy agent strikes again!! Man they tried to spin it like they negotiated and they didn’t even know why the 5 year max was a non starter??? Talk about terrible representation
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Post#3 » by tigerae » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:54 pm

Risk Addict wrote:Ooooo greedy agent strikes again!! Man they tried to spin it like they negotiated and they didn’t even know why the 5 year max was a non starter??? Talk about terrible representation
I don't know about greed. Ayton balled it up last season and in my mind deserves the max. The Suns already are over the salary cap with the other players, so not signing him will only hurt them in the long run. If they lose him for no return it will put them back quite a bit.

He will get max offers next off-season from other teams and the Suns will now have to either match or not. But him being their defensive anchor and solid on the offensive end it would make no sense for them not to match.

If they were so torn on the 5th year as Jones says they were, why not offer it as a team option or something. Let him work for that 5th year.
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Re: James Jones: We Didn't Have Real Negotiations With Deandre Ayton 

Post#4 » by luciano-davidwesley » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:27 pm

The article makes it pretty clear the Ayton camp weren't entertaining a team option in year 5. It was a full rookie max 5 years or nothing. He's a restricted free agent next year and he's not ELITE good so why not make him prove it again this year? People get way too worried about hurting peoples feelings or ego these days.

The Suns lose nothing by doing this and they'd be dumb to agree to a position of no compromise from the other side and lock in all the risk for 5 years. What if he ruptures his ACL or achilles tendon next week? Will Ayton offer to renegotiate his 5 year rookie max he just signed? Doubt it lol
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Post#5 » by Risk Addict » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:43 pm

luciano-davidwesley wrote:The article makes it pretty clear the Ayton camp weren't entertaining a team option in year 5. It was a full rookie max 5 years or nothing. He's a restricted free agent next year and he's not ELITE good so why not make him prove it again this year? People get way too worried about hurting peoples feelings or ego these days.

The Suns lose nothing by doing this and they'd be dumb to agree to a position of no compromise from the other side and lock in all the risk for 5 years. What if he ruptures his ACL or achilles tendon next week? Will Ayton offer to renegotiate his 5 year rookie max he just signed? Doubt it lol



Exactly. He could get injured. I mean, that’s actually pretty common. That’s a huge gamble. He’s not in same boat as Durant where a major injury could still net him the max.
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Post#6 » by TimeisIllmatic » Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:55 am

I get a feeling that Ayton will not be extended a qualifying offer (or his agents push for that direction) and he will become an unrestricted free agent and sign with a contender on cheap 1 or 2 year deal and then negotiate after that for a bigger deal.
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Post#7 » by tigerae » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:02 am

TimeisIllmatic wrote:I get a feeling that Ayton will not be extended a qualifying offer and will become an unrestricted free agent and sign with a contender on cheap 1 or 2 year deal and then negotiate after that for a bigger deal.
Highly doubtful. Who do the Suns have to start instead that will provide the defensive presence and rebounding? Also he's still very young and has high level skills on both ends of the floor. No reason for him to take a paycut when he will likely get a 4 year max offer sheet. Maybe one that provides a lot of the money up front, like Jeremy Lin's contract a while back where it makes the Suns have to think about it. I still think they match it unless they end up doing some sort of sign and trade.
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Re: James Jones: We Didn't Have Real Negotiations With Deandre Ayton 

Post#8 » by TimeisIllmatic » Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:37 am

tigerae wrote:
TimeisIllmatic wrote:I get a feeling that Ayton will not be extended a qualifying offer and will become an unrestricted free agent and sign with a contender on cheap 1 or 2 year deal and then negotiate after that for a bigger deal.
Highly doubtful. Who do the Suns have to start instead that will provide the defensive presence and rebounding? Also he's still very young and has high level skills on both ends of the floor. No reason for him to take a paycut when he will likely get a 4 year max offer sheet. Maybe one that provides a lot of the money up front, like Jeremy Lin's contract a while back where it makes the Suns have to think about it. I still think they match it unless they end up doing some sort of sign and trade.


I could see a sign and trade happening but just a matter of which team.

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