Eyeamok wrote:Posters say its a good thing the kings dropped out they have good young talent. So they are going to combine that good young talent with a high draft pick and miss the playoffs again in 2022-2023 season ?
The kings should play the long game? They have missed the playoffs for almost 2 decades...How long is this game they are playing?
I'll respond to this, because I made the comment about playing the long game.
I would love to see the Kings make the playoffs. Not only would they get some weight off their backs, but their young players would also get postseason experience, and such experience often fosters more success, both for the individuals and the team.
I've followed the Kings for years, and you are right: It is very frustrating to put a team together and see our players successful on other teams while Sacramento flounders. One reason it continues, though, is that the FO often executes without a great plan. On the other hand, from 2006 to 2013, the team was under a constant threat to be moved, so we had to deal with that annoyance too. During this time, by the way, Kings fans supported the team as you can see below:
2005-2006: 709,997 (14th) (44-38) lost to the Spurs in the first round.
Drafted Quincy Douby with pick 19, a point guard, who played two unremarkable seasons with the Kings before becoming a Raptor.
(Other point guards drafted later? Kyle Lowry was drafted at 24, Rajon Rondo at 21)
2006-2007: 707,997 (16th) (33-49)
Drafted Spencer Hawes with pick 10 in the draft. Traded for Slamming Sammy Delambert in 2010. Hawes was never very good, but this was a lateral move at best, because Delambert stayed one season and left. The team looked more-or-less like this early on:
Beno Udrih - Kevin Martin - Brad Miller - Metta World Peace - John Salmons - Mikki Moore.
Mike Bibby, our best point guard, was injured for a while, played a few games, and was traded to the Hawks for end of career Anthony Johnson, Tyron Lue (waived), Shelden Williams (a center who was also unremarkable but was better for Boston in 2010 playoffs, beating, um, Miami in the first round. Ouch), and Lorenzen Wright who somehow was even worse and left at the end of the season.
That was the big deadline trade.
2007-2008: 580,181 (27th) (38-44)
Drafted Jason Thompson (#12), Sean Singletary (#42), & Patrick Ewing (#43)
Singletary, Ewing, and Metta World Peace were traded for Bobby Jackson (35 years old but played well enough from the bench for one season). Kings released Jackson in 2010, Donté Green, and the pick that gave the Kings Omri Caspi in the 2009 draft. Green bounced back and forth between Reno and Sacramento a few seasons.
Thompson played Power Forward for the Kings for seven seasons and then he was traded with Carl Landry, Nik Stauskas, a 2017 pick that became Jayson Tatum, a 2019 FRP that became Romeo Langford to the 76ers for a 2017 FRP that became Fox (#5), and two other players who never stepped onto a court in the NBA, but now we’re ahead of ourselvees, so let’s return to:
2008-2009: 520,169 (29th) (17-65)
The Kings became a place where NBA players like Bobby Jackson, Calvin Booth, and Rashad McCants went to retire.
Antonio Daniels took the rest of the season off rather than play for the Kings and then played one more season with the 76ers befeore hanging it up.
Salmons and Brad Miller were swapped with the Bulls for Drew Gooden (who played one game before heading to San Antonio), Andrés Nocioni (an Argentine who only played offense), Ike Diogu who played 10 games in 2 seasons, and Cedric Simmons, a pf who retired at 23 from the NBA after playing 7 games with the Kings. Will Solomon also finished his career with the Kings this season.
2009-2010: 543,416 (29th) (25-57)
Drafted Tyreke Evans (4th), a high-usage, exciting scorer, who was never a positive player on the court, but (like Seth Curry later) few though Evans was the problem.
Drafted Omri Casspi (23rd), a hard worker who I really liked.
Both of these guys played for a few seasons with the Kings before being shipped away for unsatisfactory returns. Casspi returneed in the Cousins trade with Hield.
Kings also drafted Jeff Ayres for Jon Brockman and Sergio Rodriguez (a Spanish point guard). None of these players made any difference to the Kings.
Released Calvin Booth, Bobby Jackson, Rashad McCants, & Cedric Simmons. Signed Sean May, Desmond Mason, and Ime Udoka in the off season. These were all poor additions.
At the deadline, the Kings executed a poor deal. PG Rodriguez, Kevin Martin (one of the best scorers), and Hilton Armstrong for Joey Dorsey, Carl Landry, and Larry Hughes. Dorsey was bad, Landry at least did his job, and Hughes was waived before signing with Charlotte.
2010-2011: 569,496 (29th) (24-58)
DeMarcus Cousins drafted (5th) and soon became the franchise player
Hassan Whiteside drafted (33rd). Over two seasons, he played 111 minutes for the Kings. He also returned to play with the Kings last season before heading to the Jazz.
Casspi was traded along with the pick that became Jordan Bell to the Cavs for JJ Hickson.
Kings aree rolling out lineups like:
Jason Thompson—Donté Greene—Tyreke Evans—Beno Udrih—Cousins
In February Carl Landry went to New Orleans for Marcus Thornton who was another good scorer. The Kings were 9-9 from the second week of March to the end of the season.
This was another bad season, but after adding Evans and Cousins, there was optimism.
2011-2012: 478,764 (27th) (22-44)
A stupid draft: The team that had just drafted Cousins and Whiteside decided on Bismack Biyombo at #7, ahead of Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, and of course Kawhi Leonard. But, wait, it gets worse. They packaged Udrih (a professional basketball player in short supply in Sacramento) and Biyombo for Jimmer Fredette and John Salmons, who had been on the team in the mid-2000s.
So, early conclusion? There is no pit of hell deep enough for this FO.
The Kings, however, did hit on Isaiah Thomas. IT would play a few solid seasons with the Kings but didn’t do enough to earn an extension and left to the Suns, the Celtics, the Cavs…
A few days later, though, Casspi was dumped for J.J. Hickson. It still makes no sense
The Front Office was tired after such exertions, so all they did was play a back-and-forth game with Reno (Hassan Whiteside and Tyler Honeycutt), sign Travis Outlaw and Chuck Hayes as free agents (both disappointments), and wait for the results.
Needless to say, it was another bad season.
2012-2013: 563,743 (30th) (28-54)
Another season and another great pick, #5. Let’s get Thomas Robinson instead of Dame (picked 6), because? It wasn’t a great draft, but most lottery picks play a few seasons. Robinson did too: 5 years, 313 games, 4.6 WS. (compared to 94.6 for Dame, 42.3 Barnes, 23.8 Terrence Ross, 65.1 Drummond, Austin Rivers (13.3), Meyers Leonard (15.5) and Jeremy Lamb (26.7).)
In offseason, Hassan Whiteside left the team.
They signed Aaron Brooks and James Johnson.
Later in the season they dumped Garcia, Honeycutt, and Robinson to the Rockets for Cole Aldrich, Toney Douglas, and Patrick Patterson.
Then they waived Brooks.
2013-2014: 667,949 (22nd) (28-54)
Drafted Ben McLemore (#7) and Ray McCallum (#36).
The team hired Michael Malone, who had been Golden State’s assistant coach.
Tyreke Evans was traded for Greivis Vásquez, and two second round picks who would never play for the Kings (Brogdon and Onuaku).
Brogdon’s pick became a 2019 SRP (Admiral Schofield, drafted by Washington actually) and Luc Mbah a Moute, who gave them 20 minutes of hard front court basketball with a few points of offense before moving on.
Landry came back on a 2-year deal the Kings later paid to dump.
McCallum bounced between Reno and Sacramento.
At the first opportunity, Patterson, Hayes, Salmons, & Vásquez were dealt to the Raptors for Quincy Acy (I always liked him), Rudy Gay, and Aaron Gray. Gray is another guy who came to retire.
Rudy Gay became a core piece next to Cousins.
Willie Reed, a high-energy player who later played his heart out in Miami, appeared on the Reno-Sacramento transit line. Royce White was around too.
Jimmer Fredette, who the Kings saw as a guy with a real future, was waived after 3 seasons of trying to make it.
There was some bad mojo on the team, and nobody believed the team was any better.
2014-2015: 680,059 (25th) (29-53)
Nik Stauskas was drafted at #8. This was a pretty top-heavy draft with Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Gordon, Exum, Smart, and Randle taken beforehand. Most of the players who followed Stauskas were misses too, but there are guys like LaVine, Harris, and Clint Capella (or even Joe or Gary Harris) who could have helped. You can’t win them all though. You can get 29 of 82, and the Kings did.
In free agency they added Darren Collison, but the next day somehow traded Isaiah Thomas to the Suns for a trade exception they never used and a player who never played for the Kings.
Acy and Outlaw were dealt for Wayne Ellington and Jeremy Tyler. Both players were waived.
The Kings started the season better than they had in years. Malone had an 11-13 record when he was fired, the same number of games won by George Karl (11-19) at the end of the season. In between, Corbin piloted the Kings to 7-21.
Karl was more serious and clashed with Cousins a lot. Cousins (justifiably) complained about everything.
Kings did find some talent like Quincy Miller and David Stockton in the G-League.
Otherwise a dead, disappointing season, and a feeling of desperation that led to more disaster.
2015-2016: 707,526 (19th) (33-49)
Willie Cauley-Stein (another center) was drafted at 6. There were better choices like Devin Booker and Miles Turner around, but WCS was the guy, and so he was. Most of us were just happy Hezonja was off the table because it was probably going to be him instead.
The team really needed a reset.
McCallum was dumped for a future 2nd.
Landry, Stauskas, Jason Thompson, and two important FRP (Tatum in 2017 and Langford in 2019) were dumped for the pick that became Fox in the 2017 draft. Essentially the Kings were paying to dump Landry and Thompson’s salary. This trade still irks all Kings fans. Yes, Stauskas was a disappointment, but Landry and Thompson weren’t that bad and wouldn’t have been on the team very long anyhow.
Still pissed.
The team did sign Rajon Rondo (who was great on the Kings), Belinelli, and Kosta Koufos and brought back Casspi though.
The team looked better but nobody was fooled.
Later they added Seth Curry and Quincy Acy, two role players who did a good job. Curry’s presence, however, was always an issue for Karl, who never considered him good enough to play, even after he came off the bench to help get wins.
2016-2017: 721,928 (16th) (32-50)
New coach Dave Joerger, who taught the Kings they could also play defense.
Pissed away the draft pick, trading the 8 pick for Bogi, Skal Labissièree, and Papa John.
At the deadline sent off Cousins (our only star) for Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway, Buddy Hield, and the 2017 FRP that was later to become Giles and Justin Jackson, and a sRP.
2017-2018: 714,680 (18th) (27-55)
Drafted Fox at #5.
Traded Zach Collins (#10) pick to the Blazers for Harry Giles and Justin Jackson.
Drafted Frank Mason.
In the offseason added Zach Randolph and George Hill
Signed Bogdan Bogdanovíc to a 3-year 25 million deal. He stayed a while and went to the Hawks.
At the deadline turned the ship around, dumping Hill for Shumpert and Joe Johnson (who was waived) and a SRP.
Traded Malachi Richardson for Caboclo (of the two years away from two years away meme)
Waived Papa John. (Gudaitis was already gone)
Fired Joerger (again, the only coach to emphasize defense in ages) fired, so Luke Watson could lead the team.
2018-2019: 700,975 (21st) (39-43)
Drafted Bagley at #2. Number 2. Number 2…
You probably get the point by now.
