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When the Golden State Warriors traded for Andrew Wiggins in 2020, the prevailing thought was that they would flip him, and his contract, in another trade. At the time of the deal, the Warriors assured Wiggins and his camp that they acquired him for his basketball ability, not his contract.

Wiggins repaid that by making his first All-Star team in 2022. Despite a lessened offensive role with the Warriors than he had with the Minnesota Timberwolves, Wiggins has remained a productive player. He's also improved as defender while with Golden State.

Next season is the final year of the five-year deal Wiggins signed with the Wolves. Wiggins will be an unrestricted free agent in 2023, unless he reaches an agreement on an extension with the Warriors.

Via Zach Lowe/ESPN

ummmm,,,okaaaay

Thats what they said about D Lo.

kenwood3333 wrote:Thats what they said about D Lo.

Yup. Never trust an executive. Especially one that just got done lying to the player they traded for you.

eureca20 wrote:

kenwood3333 wrote:Thats what they said about D Lo.

Yup. Never trust an executive. Especially one that just got done lying to the player they traded for you.

Sure they said that, but that's totally different. DLo wasn't a good fit with both Klay/Curry, so he was meant to be a stop-gap at the most with Klay out at the time. He played absolutely no defense and didn't really bother to try. If the Ws and a screaming Draymond Green can't make you play D in this league, nobody else could. That's why the Ws flipped him as soon as the suckers at Wolves agreed. You can't blame the team for trading your arse if you don't work.

Wiggins is totally different, he is a willing worker, much more talented than DLo, a positional fit with the Ws, and actually did everything that's asked.

Having said that, he might still get traded by the Ws after this season if we want to keep Jordan Poole. His value is all-time high but Poole will be a corner stone for the Ws after the Curry/Klay/Green era. I would hate to see that, but business is business and you can't blame the Exec for doing the right thing to make the team competitive long term while operating under the cap.

hyberx wrote:

eureca20 wrote:

kenwood3333 wrote:Thats what they said about D Lo.

Yup. Never trust an executive. Especially one that just got done lying to the player they traded for you.

Sure they said that, but that's totally different. DLo wasn't a good fit with both Klay/Curry, so he was meant to be a stop-gap at the most with Klay out at the time. He played absolutely no defense and didn't really bother to try. If the Ws and a screaming Draymond Green can't make you play D in this league, nobody else could. That's why the Ws flipped him as soon as the suckers at Wolves agreed. You can't blame the team for trading your arse if you don't work.

Wiggins is totally different, he is a willing worker, much more talented than DLo, a positional fit with the Ws, and actually did everything that's asked.

Having said that, he might still get traded by the Ws after this season if we want to keep Jordan Poole. His value is all-time high but Poole will be a corner stone for the Ws after the Curry/Klay/Green era. I would hate to see that, but business is business and you can't blame the Exec for doing the right thing to make the team competitive long term while operating under the cap.

there's that T word again. talent. and it'll get wiggins overpaid yet again on his next contract. he's become a good 3 pt shooter and solid defender playing with the warriors. he's the new harrison barnes. which is fine. but let's not pretend that a 27 year old is suddenly going go live up to the potential based on "talent" that got him drafted #1. he and d'angelo russell alike (a similar caliber player) should be judged solely on their production at this point. which is the stuff of a borderline nba starter and no more

and why do people continue to cite that wiggins has become an all-star this season? warriors fans almost made zaza pachulia an all-star starter. he was soon out of the league

dice wrote:

hyberx wrote:

eureca20 wrote:
Yup. Never trust an executive. Especially one that just got done lying to the player they traded for you.

Sure they said that, but that's totally different. DLo wasn't a good fit with both Klay/Curry, so he was meant to be a stop-gap at the most with Klay out at the time. He played absolutely no defense and didn't really bother to try. If the Ws and a screaming Draymond Green can't make you play D in this league, nobody else could. That's why the Ws flipped him as soon as the suckers at Wolves agreed. You can't blame the team for trading your arse if you don't work.

Wiggins is totally different, he is a willing worker, much more talented than DLo, a positional fit with the Ws, and actually did everything that's asked.

Having said that, he might still get traded by the Ws after this season if we want to keep Jordan Poole. His value is all-time high but Poole will be a corner stone for the Ws after the Curry/Klay/Green era. I would hate to see that, but business is business and you can't blame the Exec for doing the right thing to make the team competitive long term while operating under the cap.

there's that T word again. talent. and it'll get wiggins overpaid yet again on his next contract. he's become a good 3 pt shooter and solid defender playing with the warriors. he's the new harrison barnes. which is fine. but let's not pretend that a 27 year old is suddenly going go live up to the potential based on "talent" that got him drafted #1. he and d'angelo russell alike (a similar caliber player) should be judged solely on their production at this point. which is the stuff of a borderline nba starter and no more

and why do people continue to cite that wiggins has become an all-star this season? warriors fans almost made zaza pachulia an all-star starter. he was soon out of the league

What’s with all the wiggins hate? No doubt he never reached his full potential and most likely never will, but he has turned himself into a good starter that contributes to winning basketball. 17, 5 and 2 on a loaded team with quality defence is not a boarder line starter. He still is slightly overpaid, but for his production in todays NBA is a 20-25 mil/yr player.

No one cited he was an all star until you did lol

Ballknowledge wrote:

dice wrote:

hyberx wrote:
Sure they said that, but that's totally different. DLo wasn't a good fit with both Klay/Curry, so he was meant to be a stop-gap at the most with Klay out at the time. He played absolutely no defense and didn't really bother to try. If the Ws and a screaming Draymond Green can't make you play D in this league, nobody else could. That's why the Ws flipped him as soon as the suckers at Wolves agreed. You can't blame the team for trading your arse if you don't work.

Wiggins is totally different, he is a willing worker, much more talented than DLo, a positional fit with the Ws, and actually did everything that's asked.

Having said that, he might still get traded by the Ws after this season if we want to keep Jordan Poole. His value is all-time high but Poole will be a corner stone for the Ws after the Curry/Klay/Green era. I would hate to see that, but business is business and you can't blame the Exec for doing the right thing to make the team competitive long term while operating under the cap.

there's that T word again. talent. and it'll get wiggins overpaid yet again on his next contract. he's become a good 3 pt shooter and solid defender playing with the warriors. he's the new harrison barnes. which is fine. but let's not pretend that a 27 year old is suddenly going go live up to the potential based on "talent" that got him drafted #1. he and d'angelo russell alike (a similar caliber player) should be judged solely on their production at this point. which is the stuff of a borderline nba starter and no more

and why do people continue to cite that wiggins has become an all-star this season? warriors fans almost made zaza pachulia an all-star starter. he was soon out of the league

What’s with all the wiggins hate? No doubt he never reached his full potential and most likely never will, but he has turned himself into a good starter that contributes to winning basketball. 17, 5 and 2 on a loaded team with quality defence is not a boarder line starter. He still is slightly overpaid, but for his production in todays NBA is a 20-25 mil/yr player.

No one cited he was an all star until you did lol

lol indeed. the all-star comment was an aside. quite a concept, i know

and yes, he is a borderline starter. borderline starters are not worth 20-25 mil. that's absurd. he scores 17 because he just happens to be a starter and is granted those shots due to the attention paid to others. he's still not an efficient scorer despite the advantage of his teammates. and i'm not sure why you think that 5 boards and 2 assists a game is some sort of achievement

kelly oubre started for the warriors last year and he stinks

dice wrote:

Ballknowledge wrote:

dice wrote:there's that T word again. talent. and it'll get wiggins overpaid yet again on his next contract. he's become a good 3 pt shooter and solid defender playing with the warriors. he's the new harrison barnes. which is fine. but let's not pretend that a 27 year old is suddenly going go live up to the potential based on "talent" that got him drafted #1. he and d'angelo russell alike (a similar caliber player) should be judged solely on their production at this point. which is the stuff of a borderline nba starter and no more

and why do people continue to cite that wiggins has become an all-star this season? warriors fans almost made zaza pachulia an all-star starter. he was soon out of the league

What’s with all the wiggins hate? No doubt he never reached his full potential and most likely never will, but he has turned himself into a good starter that contributes to winning basketball. 17, 5 and 2 on a loaded team with quality defence is not a boarder line starter. He still is slightly overpaid, but for his production in todays NBA is a 20-25 mil/yr player.

No one cited he was an all star until you did lol

lol indeed. the all-star comment was an aside. quite a concept, i know

and yes, he is a borderline starter. borderline starters are not worth 20-25 mil. that's absurd. he scores 17 because he just happens to be a starter and is granted those shots due to the attention paid to others. he's still not an efficient scorer despite the advantage of his teammates. and i'm not sure why you think that 5 boards and 2 assists a game is some sort of achievement

kelly oubre started for the warriors last year and he stinks

Borderline starter is an absolute strecth...The man has be a valuable starter for the Warriors and would start on nearly every team in the league. He plays solid to very good D, rebounds well, can knock down the 3 at a decent clip and also can score when required.

Not many better 3rd/4th options in the league, but according to you, he's a borderline starter????

dice wrote:

Ballknowledge wrote:

dice wrote:there's that T word again. talent. and it'll get wiggins overpaid yet again on his next contract. he's become a good 3 pt shooter and solid defender playing with the warriors. he's the new harrison barnes. which is fine. but let's not pretend that a 27 year old is suddenly going go live up to the potential based on "talent" that got him drafted #1. he and d'angelo russell alike (a similar caliber player) should be judged solely on their production at this point. which is the stuff of a borderline nba starter and no more

and why do people continue to cite that wiggins has become an all-star this season? warriors fans almost made zaza pachulia an all-star starter. he was soon out of the league

What’s with all the wiggins hate? No doubt he never reached his full potential and most likely never will, but he has turned himself into a good starter that contributes to winning basketball. 17, 5 and 2 on a loaded team with quality defence is not a boarder line starter. He still is slightly overpaid, but for his production in todays NBA is a 20-25 mil/yr player.

No one cited he was an all star until you did lol

lol indeed. the all-star comment was an aside. quite a concept, i know

and yes, he is a borderline starter. borderline starters are not worth 20-25 mil. that's absurd. he scores 17 because he just happens to be a starter and is granted those shots due to the attention paid to others. he's still not an efficient scorer despite the advantage of his teammates. and i'm not sure why you think that 5 boards and 2 assists a game is some sort of achievement

kelly oubre started for the warriors last year and he stinks

Admittedly his free throw shooting needs to improve, but aside from that he was at above average efficiency in both 2pt and 3pt % and rarely turned that ball over while playing solid defence. If you take a look at this years top 75 paid NBA players all making around 17 mil and above I think it’s hard to argue he doesn’t belong in that range.

Pipp33 wrote:

dice wrote:

Ballknowledge wrote:
What’s with all the wiggins hate? No doubt he never reached his full potential and most likely never will, but he has turned himself into a good starter that contributes to winning basketball. 17, 5 and 2 on a loaded team with quality defence is not a boarder line starter. He still is slightly overpaid, but for his production in todays NBA is a 20-25 mil/yr player.

No one cited he was an all star until you did lol

lol indeed. the all-star comment was an aside. quite a concept, i know

and yes, he is a borderline starter. borderline starters are not worth 20-25 mil. that's absurd. he scores 17 because he just happens to be a starter and is granted those shots due to the attention paid to others. he's still not an efficient scorer despite the advantage of his teammates. and i'm not sure why you think that 5 boards and 2 assists a game is some sort of achievement

kelly oubre started for the warriors last year and he stinks

Borderline starter is an absolute strecth...The man has be a valuable starter for the Warriors and would start on nearly every team in the league. He plays solid to very good D, rebounds well, can knock down the 3 at a decent clip and also can score when required.

Not many better 3rd/4th options in the league, but according to you, he's a borderline starter????

andrew wiggins does absolutely nothing well except hit open 3s provided by his top-flite teammates. that is reality. mediocre rebounder, mediocre defender, not a playmaker, poor FT shooter. and he was much worse before arriving in san francisco. do you think that's mere coincidence?

very good D? you must be joking

he would be a starter on most teams because...wait for it..."talent"!

here is the list of players scoring between 17 and 21 points per 36 minutes this season (wiggins averages 19):

harden
clarkson
m. wagner
valanciunas
boj. bogdanovic
ayton
barrett
wood
mcgee
rozier
miles bridges
randle
oubre
russell
marrell
holiday
levert
kuminga
sabonis
r. jackson
j. green
nowell
westbrook
wiggins
vanvleet
vucevic
k. johnson
cunningham
hyland
clarks
l. walker
toppin
trent
n. reid
portis
cole anthony
forbes
kuzma
bog. bogdanovic
melo
lyles
mclemore
brunson
hield
WCJ
diallo
k. porter
maxey
t. harris
f. wagner
bey
barnes
monk
quickley
payne
osman
gobert
beasley
c. thomas
lauri
fournier
conley
melton
a. gordon
cam johnson
schroeder
NAW
gafford
hayes
dinwiddie
poeltl
sengun
hartenstein
coby
gallo
barton
mann
whiteside

about half of those names are starters. yet most do something well other than put up points. wiggins doesn't. many of the BACKUPS are able to provide the scoring that wiggins does at similar or better efficiency PLUS other things that wiggins does not

dice wrote:

Pipp33 wrote:

dice wrote:lol indeed. the all-star comment was an aside. quite a concept, i know

and yes, he is a borderline starter. borderline starters are not worth 20-25 mil. that's absurd. he scores 17 because he just happens to be a starter and is granted those shots due to the attention paid to others. he's still not an efficient scorer despite the advantage of his teammates. and i'm not sure why you think that 5 boards and 2 assists a game is some sort of achievement

kelly oubre started for the warriors last year and he stinks

Borderline starter is an absolute strecth...The man has be a valuable starter for the Warriors and would start on nearly every team in the league. He plays solid to very good D, rebounds well, can knock down the 3 at a decent clip and also can score when required.

Not many better 3rd/4th options in the league, but according to you, he's a borderline starter????

andrew wiggins does absolutely nothing well except hit open 3s provided by his top-flite teammates. that is reality. mediocre rebounder, mediocre defender, not a playmaker, poor FT shooter. and he was much worse before arriving in san francisco. do you think that's mere coincidence?

very good D? you must be joking

he would be a starter on most teams because...wait for it..."talent"!

here is the list of players scoring between 17 and 21 points per 36 minutes this season (wiggins averages 19):

harden
clarkson
m. wagner
valanciunas
boj. bogdanovic
ayton
barrett
wood
mcgee
rozier
miles bridges
randle
oubre
russell
marrell
holiday
levert
kuminga
sabonis
r. jackson
j. green
nowell
westbrook
wiggins
vanvleet
vucevic
k. johnson
cunningham
hyland
clarks
l. walker
toppin
trent
n. reid
portis
cole anthony
forbes
kuzma
bog. bogdanovic
melo
lyles
mclemore
brunson
hield
WCJ
diallo
k. porter
maxey
t. harris
f. wagner
bey
barnes
monk
quickley
payne
osman
gobert
beasley
c. thomas
lauri
fournier
conley
melton
a. gordon
cam johnson
schroeder
NAW
gafford
hayes
dinwiddie
poeltl
sengun
hartenstein
coby
gallo
barton
mann
whiteside

about half of those names are starters. yet most do something well other than put up points. wiggins doesn't. many of the BACKUPS are able to provide the scoring that wiggins does at similar or better efficiency PLUS other things that wiggins does not

Bro it’s not that deep. We all have bad takes it’s okay

dice wrote:

Pipp33 wrote:

dice wrote:lol indeed. the all-star comment was an aside. quite a concept, i know

and yes, he is a borderline starter. borderline starters are not worth 20-25 mil. that's absurd. he scores 17 because he just happens to be a starter and is granted those shots due to the attention paid to others. he's still not an efficient scorer despite the advantage of his teammates. and i'm not sure why you think that 5 boards and 2 assists a game is some sort of achievement

kelly oubre started for the warriors last year and he stinks

Borderline starter is an absolute strecth...The man has be a valuable starter for the Warriors and would start on nearly every team in the league. He plays solid to very good D, rebounds well, can knock down the 3 at a decent clip and also can score when required.

Not many better 3rd/4th options in the league, but according to you, he's a borderline starter????

andrew wiggins does absolutely nothing well except hit open 3s provided by his top-flite teammates. that is reality. mediocre rebounder, mediocre defender, not a playmaker, poor FT shooter. and he was much worse before arriving in san francisco. do you think that's mere coincidence?

very good D? you must be joking

he would be a starter on most teams because...wait for it..."talent"!

here is the list of players scoring between 17 and 21 points per 36 minutes this season (wiggins averages 19):

___
___
___

about half of those names are starters. yet most do something well other than put up points. wiggins doesn't. many of the BACKUPS are able to provide the scoring that wiggins does at similar or better efficiency PLUS other things that wiggins does not

This is kind of a ridiculous conversation. Wiggins is absolutely a starter in the NBA. He's not a liability on defense and can hit the open 3pt. He's exactly what every team dreams of finding with their MLE... But zero teams would give him $34m if he was a free agent this summer.

dice wrote:

Pipp33 wrote:

dice wrote:lol indeed. the all-star comment was an aside. quite a concept, i know

and yes, he is a borderline starter. borderline starters are not worth 20-25 mil. that's absurd. he scores 17 because he just happens to be a starter and is granted those shots due to the attention paid to others. he's still not an efficient scorer despite the advantage of his teammates. and i'm not sure why you think that 5 boards and 2 assists a game is some sort of achievement

kelly oubre started for the warriors last year and he stinks

Borderline starter is an absolute strecth...The man has be a valuable starter for the Warriors and would start on nearly every team in the league. He plays solid to very good D, rebounds well, can knock down the 3 at a decent clip and also can score when required.

Not many better 3rd/4th options in the league, but according to you, he's a borderline starter????

andrew wiggins does absolutely nothing well except hit open 3s provided by his top-flite teammates. that is reality. mediocre rebounder, mediocre defender, not a playmaker, poor FT shooter. and he was much worse before arriving in san francisco. do you think that's mere coincidence?

very good D? you must be joking

he would be a starter on most teams because...wait for it..."talent"!

here is the list of players scoring between 17 and 21 points per 36 minutes this season (wiggins averages 19):

harden
clarkson
m. wagner
valanciunas
boj. bogdanovic
ayton
barrett
wood
mcgee
rozier
miles bridges
randle
oubre
russell
marrell
holiday
levert
kuminga
sabonis
r. jackson
j. green
nowell
westbrook
wiggins
vanvleet
vucevic
k. johnson
cunningham
hyland
clarks
l. walker
toppin
trent
n. reid
portis
cole anthony
forbes
kuzma
bog. bogdanovic
melo
lyles
mclemore
brunson
hield
WCJ
diallo
k. porter
maxey
t. harris
f. wagner
bey
barnes
monk
quickley
payne
osman
gobert
beasley
c. thomas
lauri
fournier
conley
melton
a. gordon
cam johnson
schroeder
NAW
gafford
hayes
dinwiddie
poeltl
sengun
hartenstein
coby
gallo
barton
mann
whiteside

about half of those names are starters. yet most do something well other than put up points. wiggins doesn't. many of the BACKUPS are able to provide the scoring that wiggins does at similar or better efficiency PLUS other things that wiggins does not

I can list a thousand names that make no sense if you like too...but Wiggins has been a fine defender this season and outside of his poor FT shooting, has been a solid starter for a team in the NBA finals.

Andrew "League Average" Wiggins still getting overrated by volume scoring fans.