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Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:37 am
by RealGM Wiretap
The Philadelphia 76ers are reportedly interested in signing PJ Tucker this offseason, sources confirmed to Keith Pompey of The Philadelphia Inquirer.
The team is looking to offer Tucker a three-year, $30 million deal.
The Sixers are reportedly pursuing a three-team trade involving Matisse Thybulle and the No. 23 pick in the upcoming draft to create space to sign Tucker.
In return, they are looking to add a first-round pick.
The Sixers have had difficulty in finding a trade partner for Tobias Harris due to the size of his contract. Harris is owed $76.9 million over the next two years.
Via Keith Pompey/The Philadelphia Inquirer
Re: Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:36 am
by Rashidi
Morey is offering what Tucker wanted while he was w/ Houston (and what Fertitta was unwilling to sign off on). It's worth noting Morey left the organization shortly before Tucker (who was disgruntled about not getting what was promised to him).
Given the history here, I'm sure Tucker can say with certainty w/o speaking to Morey how valid the report is.
As far as the fit, Tucker next to Embiid is great and he'd take Danny Green's roster spot. How they'd make it work w/ Tobias Harris is another story.
Re: Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:59 pm
by JR Hawks
Good to see the Sixers have come to their senses on Thybulle, who just isn't very good.
Re: Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:13 pm
by kenwood3333
This feels like Tom Thibodeau signing over the hill players from his old team and hope they can replicate previous sucess. I highly doubt Tucker is a better fit than what they already have.
Re: Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:03 pm
by BigHustle
kenwood3333 wrote:This feels like Tom Thibodeau signing over the hill players from his old team and hope they can replicate previous sucess. I highly doubt Tucker is a better fit than what they already have.
Exactly. Feels like DM wants to show Nelson wassup.
Re: Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:29 pm
by mtcan
Daryl Morey loves to relive the Houston Rockets James Harden days. What next? Is Clint Capela rejoining Harden in Philly?
Re: Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:36 pm
by Pickled Prunes
JR Hawks wrote:Good to see the Sixers have come to their senses on Thybulle, who just isn't very good.
Maybe if their target was different I would agree with you. Thybulle just turned 25. When Tucker was 25 he wasn't good enough to make an NBA roster. Tucker is now 37. He'll turn 40 during the playoffs on the last year of that deal. To give up a 1st round pick and Thybulle to go get an old man is questionable. I see it for today, but long term it's a mistake.
Re: Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:45 pm
by HotelVitale
This article clip is incoherent. The Sixers don't have any way to 'create cap space' and the only way they could get PJ Tucker is with the MLE. They also have some pretty easy ways to offer the full MLE--like just cutting D Green's deal--that don't involve trading off Thybulle.
A more accurate picture here is that the Sixers are doing 3 things:
--looking to trade some combo of #23, Green's expiring, other little contracts and maybe Thybulle for a good win-now piece (not Tucker, someone better than that)
--strongly thinking about signing PJ Tucker with their MLE
--maybe exploring a larger salary dump move with Harris, but no one knows any details and it's probably just theoretical
Re: Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:45 pm
by Rashidi
Pickled Prunes wrote:JR Hawks wrote:Good to see the Sixers have come to their senses on Thybulle, who just isn't very good.
Maybe if their target was different I would agree with you. Thybulle just turned 25. When Tucker was 25 he wasn't good enough to make an NBA roster. Tucker is now 37. He'll turn 40 during the playoffs on the last year of that deal. To give up a 1st round pick and Thybulle to go get an old man is questionable. I see it for today, but long term it's a mistake.
The difference is Tucker isn't reliant on his athleticism (Thybulle very much is). By the time Thybulle is any good it likely won't matter.
The Sixers have a short window as Embiid is a ticking time bomb, and they just traded for 32 y.o. Harden in an effort to win now. It's championship or bust for these players and the franchise.
Thybulle barely played in the playoffs behind Danny Green. Tucker conversely has started 77 playoff games in the last 5 years (and it should be noted played 4 years w/ Harden).
There aren't many instances where I'd trade a 1st for a 37-year old but Tucker is a unique talent and can be viewed as the final piece (as he was for MIL and MIA the last two years)
Re: Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:00 am
by Pickled Prunes
Rashidi wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:JR Hawks wrote:Good to see the Sixers have come to their senses on Thybulle, who just isn't very good.
Maybe if their target was different I would agree with you. Thybulle just turned 25. When Tucker was 25 he wasn't good enough to make an NBA roster. Tucker is now 37. He'll turn 40 during the playoffs on the last year of that deal. To give up a 1st round pick and Thybulle to go get an old man is questionable. I see it for today, but long term it's a mistake.
The difference is Tucker isn't reliant on his athleticism (Thybulle very much is). By the time Thybulle is any good it likely won't matter.
The Sixers have a short window as Embiid is a ticking time bomb, and they just traded for 32 y.o. Harden in an effort to win now. It's championship or bust for these players and the franchise.
Thybulle barely played in the playoffs behind Danny Green. Tucker conversely has started 77 playoff games in the last 5 years (and it should be noted played 4 years w/ Harden).
There aren't many instances where I'd trade a 1st for a 37-year old but Tucker is a unique talent and can be viewed as the final piece (as he was for MIL and MIA the last two years)
I see all of your points and agree that Tucker could be the final piece. I think he was with MIL. But PHI is more than one piece away and they would be giving up a young piece and a pick to do it. It really comes down to what they got back in that trade or if it was truly just a move to create space.
Re: Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:24 am
by HardenGoat
Rashidi wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:JR Hawks wrote:Good to see the Sixers have come to their senses on Thybulle, who just isn't very good.
Maybe if their target was different I would agree with you. Thybulle just turned 25. When Tucker was 25 he wasn't good enough to make an NBA roster. Tucker is now 37. He'll turn 40 during the playoffs on the last year of that deal. To give up a 1st round pick and Thybulle to go get an old man is questionable. I see it for today, but long term it's a mistake.
The difference is Tucker isn't reliant on his athleticism (Thybulle very much is). By the time Thybulle is any good it likely won't matter.
The Sixers have a short window as Embiid is a ticking time bomb, and they just traded for 32 y.o. Harden in an effort to win now. It's championship or bust for these players and the franchise.
Thybulle barely played in the playoffs behind Danny Green. Tucker conversely has started 77 playoff games in the last 5 years (and it should be noted played 4 years w/ Harden).
There aren't many instances where I'd trade a 1st for a 37-year old but Tucker is a unique talent and can be viewed as the final piece (as he was for MIL and MIA the last two years)
There is no FRP involved. The incentive for Tucker leaving is the longer term contract being offered using MLE money this year. Thybulle is being shopped with the FRP for another player. Rockets are involved with Eric Gordon a piece Philly wants.
Re: Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:06 am
by Pickled Prunes
HardenGoat wrote:Rashidi wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:Maybe if their target was different I would agree with you. Thybulle just turned 25. When Tucker was 25 he wasn't good enough to make an NBA roster. Tucker is now 37. He'll turn 40 during the playoffs on the last year of that deal. To give up a 1st round pick and Thybulle to go get an old man is questionable. I see it for today, but long term it's a mistake.
The difference is Tucker isn't reliant on his athleticism (Thybulle very much is). By the time Thybulle is any good it likely won't matter.
The Sixers have a short window as Embiid is a ticking time bomb, and they just traded for 32 y.o. Harden in an effort to win now. It's championship or bust for these players and the franchise.
Thybulle barely played in the playoffs behind Danny Green. Tucker conversely has started 77 playoff games in the last 5 years (and it should be noted played 4 years w/ Harden).
There aren't many instances where I'd trade a 1st for a 37-year old but Tucker is a unique talent and can be viewed as the final piece (as he was for MIL and MIA the last two years)
There is no FRP involved. The incentive for Tucker leaving is the longer term contract being offered using MLE money this year. Thybulle is being shopped with the FRP for another player. Rockets are involved with Eric Gordon a piece Philly wants.
The article states that PHI is trying to create cap space for Tucker by shopping the FRP and Thybulle. Bringing Gordon back eats space rather than creating it.
Re: Sixers Reportedly Pursuing PJ Tucker, Could Trade Matisse Thybulle To Create Cap Space
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:44 am
by HardenGoat
Pickled Prunes wrote:HardenGoat wrote:Rashidi wrote:
The difference is Tucker isn't reliant on his athleticism (Thybulle very much is). By the time Thybulle is any good it likely won't matter.
The Sixers have a short window as Embiid is a ticking time bomb, and they just traded for 32 y.o. Harden in an effort to win now. It's championship or bust for these players and the franchise.
Thybulle barely played in the playoffs behind Danny Green. Tucker conversely has started 77 playoff games in the last 5 years (and it should be noted played 4 years w/ Harden).
There aren't many instances where I'd trade a 1st for a 37-year old but Tucker is a unique talent and can be viewed as the final piece (as he was for MIL and MIA the last two years)
There is no FRP involved. The incentive for Tucker leaving is the longer term contract being offered using MLE money this year. Thybulle is being shopped with the FRP for another player. Rockets are involved with Eric Gordon a piece Philly wants.
The article states that PHI is trying to create cap space for Tucker by shopping the FRP and Thybulle. Bringing Gordon back eats space rather than creating it.
Article is not reporting correctly. They will cut Green and open the MLE for Tucker. Tobias is who they need to open room for another player or two and they are using the #23 and Thybulle as the sweeteners. Gordon is one target.