Knicks' Front Office Hierarchy Considered Confusing By League Sources

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Knicks' Front Office Hierarchy Considered Confusing By League Sources 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:50 pm

The front office hierarchy of the New York Knicks under Leon Rose has been considered confusing by many league sources who spoke with Marc Berman of the New York Post. The confusion of who is in charge can get amplified during trade talks, which is why Rose put Gersson Rosas as the point man to communicate with Justin Zanik of the Utah Jazz on a Donovan Mitchell trade.


In addition to Rose and Rosas, the Knicks also have William Wesley, Brock Aller and Scott Perry in influential roles.


“Leon delegates too much — delegates to a fault," one coaching source said. “They had a breakaway layup and blew it."


The Knicks have also been inactive during each of the past two trade deadlines. 


People around the league say Tom Thibodeau was disheartened when the Knicks were unable to trade for Mitchell. 

Via Marc Berman/New York Post

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Post#2 » by JonFromVA » Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:07 pm

Nothing wrong with delegating, but it's on Rose to stay in the loop and guide the Knicks side of the negotiations.

Reportedly Rose is the one who decided to try to make a leverage play on the Jazz and set timelines and drop their offers, and for better or worse that's all on Rose.
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Post#3 » by shrink » Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:10 pm

This is an odd article from Berman on the way front offices works, and I suspect this is another article posted as clickbait for Knicks fans and haters.

John Hollinger worked in the front office of the Memphis Grizzlies as VP of Basketball Operations from 2012-2018, before moving over to the media side. As he explains it, the GM of a team doesn’t work on trades with all 29 of the other GMs. What they do is break up the job among 3-5 assistant GM’s, where each one keeps in contact with Assistant GM’s from 8-10 other teams, based on their relationships. They may discuss dozens of potential deals before one or two rise up to the level where it could happen.

I’m not saying Rosas did a great job negotiating, or that Leon Rose shouldn’t have grabbed the reins. Who even knows if Rose is better at the CBA and trade mechanics? But I will say that having several assistant GM’s that work on different deals is not confusing - it’s the standard operating procedure for most NBA front offices.
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Post#4 » by shrink » Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:30 pm

I also wanted to use this opportunity to point out something that many haven’t mentioned .. Rosas has played hardball before, and lost.

In 2019, Gersson Rosas was the GM of my Minnesota Timberwolves. He had just traded #11 and Dario Saric to move up to the #6 pick. He had identified a player at #5 that fit the Wolves, that didn’t seem to fit the team at #5. For weeks leading up to the draft, he made multiple offers to try to move up one spot, and while the other team was open to a trade, he refused to meet that team’s price. This continued even during the draft, when the team was on the clock to make that pick, but he wouldn’t meet their price. For those that don’t know it already, Cleveland drafted Darius Garland at#5, and Rosas selected Jarrett Culver at #6.

Yes, it was just moving up one slot, and the Cavs had just seen an interesting rookie season from Collin Sexton, but think about the impact this had on both teams, and the NBA as a whole! Garland looks to be a superstar for the Cavs, and Culver is now playing on a two-way contract. But even bigger is that if the Wolves had Garland, Rosas likely wouldn’t have traded Wiggins and a pick to the Warriors for D’Angelo Russell, and adding Wiggins may have helped the Warriors win the NBA title!

If Rosas made the decision to play hardball on his own, and not just following Rose’s instructions, it’s disappointing to see the same mistake play out a second time. Maybe the Cavs wanted an overpay to move up one spot, or the Jazz wanted an overpay for Mitchell, but if it’s for the right player, even an overpay might be worth the longterm benefits. Rosas should have learned that lesson the first time.
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Post#5 » by danvato » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:49 pm

lol, but penn station homeless keep telling me knicks front office is legit now, lol.

yeah, as legit as scott layden/isiah thomas front office.

gotta say, for someone that considers the nix a joke, the last 20 years have been a blessing. 'owning' nyc is so awesome though, lol, latching on to that idea for 20 years is amazing.
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Post#6 » by Pickled Prunes » Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:29 pm

The headline should read: Knicks' Front Office Hierarchy Considered Confusing By Knicks' Front Office
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Post#7 » by moocow007 » Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:07 pm

Pickled Prunes wrote:The headline should read: Knicks' Front Office Hierarchy Considered Confusing By Knicks' Front Office


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Post#8 » by moocow007 » Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:26 pm

So again this is why you simply cannot hire someone that has no experience running any NBA front office (forget about a successful NBA front office). And yet, despite Dolan having more money to spend than anyone else and NBA front office execs not counting against the cap, they still can't seem to come remotely close to get it right. I mean honestly. When was the last time the Knicks actually had a vastly successful experienced front office executive in charge? The Nixon Administration?

I mean here's the Knicks GM history for the past 40 years:

Leon Rose - absolutely no experience in running an NBA front office

Scott Perry - assistant GM of one of the worst franchises in the NBA at the time (Magic), VP of Basketball ops of one of the worst franchise in the NBA (Kings) when the Knicks "stole" him from the Kings LOL.

Steve Mills - hired again despite having shown absolute no success in his first go around at the job

Phil Jackson - absolutely no experience in running an NBA front office, loved trading players that he didn't like for pennies on the dollar regardless of how useful that player may have been for the other team.

Steve Mills - absolutely no experience in running an NBA front office and it showed.

Glen Grunwald - was successful running the Raptors in 2000-2002 but I don't know I'd consider him a particular top tier front office head especially when Grunwalds claim to fame was taking Andrea Bargnani's contract off the Raptors hands for Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, 1 first round pick and 2 second round picks LOL.

Donnie Walsh - was a good soldier and an old school guy that was in charge of some very successful Pacer teams but by the time the Knicks hired him Walsh was barely hanging on, his claim to fame was being reportedly viewed by Lebron James group during the Lebron Decision period as being an old guy in a wheelchair that reportedly turned off James from choosing the Knicks.

Isiah Thomas - do I really need to say any more?

Scott Layden - was the the bizarro world version of Isiah Thomas (or was Thomas the Bizarro world version of Scott Layden), but in any case Layden made some of the most mind boggling decisions during his tenure than you can say started the giant snowball of a disaster that has become the Knicks the past 2 plus decades.

Dave Checketts - had no previous NBA front office experience when hired originally, was responsible for concerts and venue events. He was basically the consummate used car salesman. Had a great smile.

Ernie Grunfeld - was the most successful Knicks GM since the Knicks Championship days in the early 70's, but has hardly been successful since leaving the Knicks. We're talking about a guy who's last NBA front office exec tenure was summed up in this articles title "Ernie Grunfeld Is Gone. Long Live Literally Anyone Else. After 16 years, the Washington Wizards’ long nightmare is finally over … sort of"

Al Bianchi - had absolutely no idea what he was doing lol. He's the answer to "what would you get if you merge Isiah Thomas with Scott Layden?"

Scotty Stirling - had absolutely no experience when he was hired...was absolute disaster at a time where it was critical that the Knicks build a strong young core around the then 23 year old Patrick Ewing. Drafted one of the biggest busts in NBA history in Kenny Walker 6th overall in 1986, then traded down in the 1987 draft sending the the pick that ended up being Scottie Pippen for a washed up Gerald Henderson and a later pick. His best free agent signing in those 2 years? Eddie Lee Wilkins.

Dave Debusschere - great player BUT had absolutely no experience when he was hired...if it wasn't for the fact that he was sitting on the dais when the Knicks lucked into the 1st overall pick in the 1984 draft (used on Patrick Ewing who was the consensus no.1 pick) he'd have not been remembered by anyone as even having been in charge of the Knicks front office from 1982 to 1986.
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Re: Knicks' Front Office Hierarchy Considered Confusing By League Sources 

Post#9 » by kacey ring » Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:16 am

moocow007 wrote:So again this is why you simply cannot hire someone that has no experience running any NBA front office (forget about a successful NBA front office).


Uhhh, Bob Myers say hello.

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