Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason

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Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Sat Apr 8, 2023 3:19 pm

The Dallas Mavericks have some degree of fear that Luka Doncic could request a trade as soon as the summer of 2024 if they don't make significant progress by then, team sources tell Tim MacMahon of ESPN.


Doncic just finished Year 1 of a five-year, $215 million supermax extension. Doncic has a player option for the 2026 offseason.


The Mavericks missed the play-in entirely after reaching the Western Conference Finals in 2022.


Doncic participated in personnel discussions with the front office for the first time this season and pushed for a major upgrade, which led to their trade for Kyrie Irving.


MacMahon wrote that Doncic "appeared relieved" after their loss to the Chicago Bulls, which officially eliminated them from play-in contention. When MacMahon shared the observation with a member of the Mavs' staff who knows Doncic well said, "Good eyes."

Via Tim MacMahon/ESPN

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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#2 » by Medbrat » Sat Apr 8, 2023 4:17 pm

4 years too late.
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Post#3 » by IWishIWasHarden » Sat Apr 8, 2023 4:19 pm

Kyrie and Doncic never seemed like a good pairing . . . so it's only natural a mature general manager didn't choose it and instead a young adult overentitled player did.

Reminds me of what James Harden did to the Rockets.

I should also remind you that Doncic couldn't lead his national team to any worthwhile victories either. He couldn't beat Australia. There's no reason to believe he could take a team into the playoffs. Results show us that Brunson is quite a good player.
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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#4 » by DoctorDunc » Sat Apr 8, 2023 4:29 pm

Maybe not, Luka and the Mavs deserve each other. They are both losers with tarnished brands. It’s unfathomable in the wide open west to tank a game with a playoff spot at stake. Kyrie and Luka together in a playoff opportunity vs the wide open west, anything can could happen. Even with this tank job, there is still a 24% chance they lose the pick to the Knicks on ping pong ball bounces. Only a 3% chance of winning the big prize. Luka must be embarrassed and the league has to be embarrassed. I wonder how his sponsors feel.
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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#5 » by HotelVitale » Sat Apr 8, 2023 4:32 pm

IWishIWasHarden wrote: There's no reason to believe he could take a team into the playoffs. Results show us that Brunson is quite a good player.

What? Luka's already dragged his team to the PO 3 times, and he's been awesome in the PO too. Brunson had some good games but Luka had a lot more of them, and Luka was doing that when Brunson was playing like 12 mpg too.

I'm not even that big of a Luka guy but this is like saying an apple isn't sweet and doesn't have any crucnh to it. Luka's ability to lead a team and perform really well in the PO is 100% demonstrated right now, it's a fact about him.

Whether or not he can win titles as the lead guy, or who he can mesh with and adapt to to win big, those are all open questions. But anything beneath that is a done deal.
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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#6 » by ItsDanger » Sat Apr 8, 2023 4:51 pm

Its a real threat. I'd be pissed at the roster moves also. Churning your asset base to be left with crumbs?
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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#7 » by alienpick » Sat Apr 8, 2023 5:35 pm

Say no, he signed a 5 year contract. No need for fear, the Lakers told Kobe no and it worked out. Just do your job as a GM. Ask him what moves he'd like to see and do your best to accommodate them. (But don't make stupid moves, like Lebron's request for Westbrook instead of Derozen).
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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#8 » by kenwood3333 » Sat Apr 8, 2023 5:52 pm

Mavs can sign Kyrie to a max contract this season and build around him instead
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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#9 » by damecurry » Sat Apr 8, 2023 6:06 pm

IWishIWasHarden wrote:Kyrie and Doncic never seemed like a good pairing . . . so it's only natural a mature general manager didn't choose it and instead a young adult overentitled player did.

Reminds me of what James Harden did to the Rockets.

I should also remind you that Doncic couldn't lead his national team to any worthwhile victories either. He couldn't beat Australia. There's no reason to believe he could take a team into the playoffs. Results show us that Brunson is quite a good player.


Lol wtf are you talking about? The mavs "mature gm" chose the trade, Luka just pushed for a major upgrade as it was clear this mavs team wasn't a title contender. The idiotic decision was still Cubans/the cronies he employs, not Lukas.

2024? Luka should be pushing to get out now man, this is the most poorly run franchise in the league now.
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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#10 » by FeatheryTouch » Sat Apr 8, 2023 6:08 pm

IWishIWasHarden wrote:
There's no reason to believe he could take a team into the playoffs. .


What? Short-term memory loss? It's amazing how quickly people forget about what he did in the playoffs the past few years. Just last season he exceeded expectations and dragged a modestly-talented roster to the WC finals.

Dallas has mismanaged it's assets and had a bad year, but i don't know how you blame Doncic for all of that. He's not flawless (defense, cough), but Luka has already proven he's one of the best players in the world and he can lead a team to playoff success.

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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#11 » by tigerae » Sat Apr 8, 2023 7:28 pm

damecurry wrote:
IWishIWasHarden wrote:Kyrie and Doncic never seemed like a good pairing . . . so it's only natural a mature general manager didn't choose it and instead a young adult overentitled player did.

Reminds me of what James Harden did to the Rockets.

I should also remind you that Doncic couldn't lead his national team to any worthwhile victories either. He couldn't beat Australia. There's no reason to believe he could take a team into the playoffs. Results show us that Brunson is quite a good player.


Lol wtf are you talking about? The mavs "mature gm" chose the trade, Luka just pushed for a major upgrade as it was clear this mavs team wasn't a title contender. The idiotic decision was still Cubans/the cronies he employs, not Lukas.

2024? Luka should be pushing to get out now man, this is the most poorly run franchise in the league now.

They were just in the Western Conference Finals after not just beating one of the favorites to win it all in the Suns but destroying them in Game 7 at their house. Main reason for that was Luka.

Brunson, at least during the off-season, wasn't the Mavs fault. It was tampering on the part of the Knicks that didn't allow them to even try to negotiate. The deal was done prior to July 1st when the Mavs were first able to talk to him.

The Mavs can definitely get a few key defensive weapons and a top 10 pick for a young prospect in the off season.
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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#12 » by Pickled Prunes » Sat Apr 8, 2023 7:42 pm

They should fear it now... but might be best off trading him for the mother load and hitting the reset.
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Post#13 » by Insane13 » Sat Apr 8, 2023 8:05 pm

Pickled Prunes wrote:They should fear it now... but might be best off trading him for the mother load and hitting the reset.


No lie idk why everyone overreacts to one season nowadays. They just made the wcf last year acting like they haven’t made the playoffs in 5 years lmao. Just a down year and honestly getting a top ten pick isnt bad. Lebron had the same problem was too good when he was young and couldn’t get young talent because of that.
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Post#14 » by MitchB3 » Sat Apr 8, 2023 10:17 pm

Insane13 wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:They should fear it now... but might be best off trading him for the mother load and hitting the reset.


No lie idk why everyone overreacts to one season nowadays. They just made the wcf last year acting like they haven’t made the playoffs in 5 years lmao. Just a down year and honestly getting a top ten pick isnt bad. Lebron had the same problem was too good when he was young and couldn’t get young talent because of that.


See I would slightly agree with you, however, the Mavs haven't truly given him a solid team around him. Last season, they overwhelmingly overachieved, but coming into the season with the exception of Nick Wright and Mavs fans, everyone knew this team wasn't going back there, especially with how unpredictable the west is at this moment.
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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#15 » by Pickled Prunes » Sun Apr 9, 2023 1:05 am

MitchB3 wrote:
Insane13 wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:They should fear it now... but might be best off trading him for the mother load and hitting the reset.


No lie idk why everyone overreacts to one season nowadays. They just made the wcf last year acting like they haven’t made the playoffs in 5 years lmao. Just a down year and honestly getting a top ten pick isnt bad. Lebron had the same problem was too good when he was young and couldn’t get young talent because of that.


See I would slightly agree with you, however, the Mavs haven't truly given him a solid team around him. Last season, they overwhelmingly overachieved, but coming into the season with the exception of Nick Wright and Mavs fans, everyone knew this team wasn't going back there, especially with how unpredictable the west is at this moment.

The Mavs don't understand what Doncic needs. Twice now they have traded their depth and assets for a costar. (P-Zing and Kyrie) They were able to get off of P-Zing and add some depth by taking back a bad contract, but that may not be possible with Kyrie.

Doncic does not need a $50m costar; he needs five or six $15-25m players that can shoot and defend. Only a couple of them need to have ball handling skills and none of them need to be high USG% players. The reason Westbrook was destined to fail in LAL was because the Lakers were always going to be better with the ball in Lebron's hands. Both Kyrie and Luka tend to disengage when they don't have the ball in their hands. Westbrook is doing better in LAC because Kawhi and PG13 want to attack off the catch. Luka will not thrive next to another ball dominant player, and like Brunson, that player won't find their true potential next to Luka.
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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#16 » by tasball » Sun Apr 9, 2023 6:38 am

DoctorDunc wrote:Maybe not, Luka and the Mavs deserve each other. They are both losers with tarnished brands. It’s unfathomable in the wide open west to tank a game with a playoff spot at stake. Kyrie and Luka together in a playoff opportunity vs the wide open west, anything can could happen. Even with this tank job, there is still a 24% chance they lose the pick to the Knicks on ping pong ball bounces. Only a 3% chance of winning the big prize. Luka must be embarrassed and the league has to be embarrassed. I wonder how his sponsors feel.


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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#17 » by ShazamDaShiznt » Sun Apr 9, 2023 8:41 am

Oh it's always the same, when a team is struggling to make the playoffs they come up with trade rumors.
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Post#18 » by haste10176 » Sun Apr 9, 2023 10:47 am

tasball wrote:
DoctorDunc wrote:Maybe not, Luka and the Mavs deserve each other. They are both losers with tarnished brands. It’s unfathomable in the wide open west to tank a game with a playoff spot at stake. Kyrie and Luka together in a playoff opportunity vs the wide open west, anything can could happen. Even with this tank job, there is still a 24% chance they lose the pick to the Knicks on ping pong ball bounces. Only a 3% chance of winning the big prize. Luka must be embarrassed and the league has to be embarrassed. I wonder how his sponsors feel.


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This wasnt luka he was pulled by the owner..
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Post#19 » by haste10176 » Sun Apr 9, 2023 10:55 am

Pickled Prunes wrote:
MitchB3 wrote:
Insane13 wrote:
No lie idk why everyone overreacts to one season nowadays. They just made the wcf last year acting like they haven’t made the playoffs in 5 years lmao. Just a down year and honestly getting a top ten pick isnt bad. Lebron had the same problem was too good when he was young and couldn’t get young talent because of that.


See I would slightly agree with you, however, the Mavs haven't truly given him a solid team around him. Last season, they overwhelmingly overachieved, but coming into the season with the exception of Nick Wright and Mavs fans, everyone knew this team wasn't going back there, especially with how unpredictable the west is at this moment.

The Mavs don't understand what Doncic needs. Twice now they have traded their depth and assets for a costar. (P-Zing and Kyrie) They were able to get off of P-Zing and add some depth by taking back a bad contract, but that may not be possible with Kyrie.

Doncic does not need a $50m costar; he needs five or six $15-25m players that can shoot and defend. Only a couple of them need to have ball handling skills and none of them need to be high USG% players. The reason Westbrook was destined to fail in LAL was because the Lakers were always going to be better with the ball in Lebron's hands. Both Kyrie and Luka tend to disengage when they don't have the ball in their hands. Westbrook is doing better in LAC because Kawhi and PG13 want to attack off the catch. Luka will not thrive next to another ball dominant player, and like Brunson, that player won't find their true potential next to Luka.


The issue ia not Kyrie and Luka they can work and do the issue is having zero flexibilty to fill out the rest of the roster.. Kyrie is a threat off ball because he is an elite shooter but he is a poor playmaker where as donic is an elite play maker LBJ and Kyrie won a championship and yes LBJ was 1000x superior defender to Luka but Luka can improve his defence to be competent and he would need to in order to win anyway but there is no way to fill out the roster unless maybe if they get the first round pick and trade another pick to get some pieces that fit better maybe.. Hardaway and christain wood plus some picks maybe you can make a trade somewhat like the lakers did
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Re: Mavericks Fear Luka Doncic Trade Request As Early As 2024 Offseason 

Post#20 » by haste10176 » Sun Apr 9, 2023 10:58 am

IWishIWasHarden wrote:Kyrie and Doncic never seemed like a good pairing . . . so it's only natural a mature general manager didn't choose it and instead a young adult overentitled player did.

Reminds me of what James Harden did to the Rockets.

I should also remind you that Doncic couldn't lead his national team to any worthwhile victories either. He couldn't beat Australia. There's no reason to believe he could take a team into the playoffs. Results show us that Brunson is quite a good player.


Wow your a casual the Australian team was far more talented than the Lukas national team who were completely trash without him..

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