Zach LaVine, Bulls Open To Exploring Trade
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:17 pm
Zach LaVine and the Chicago Bulls are increasingly open about exploring a trade as he continues Year 2 of his five-year, $215 million deal.
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Zach LaVine and the Chicago Bulls are increasingly open about exploring a trade as he continues Year 2 of his five-year, $215 million deal.
elmdawgg69 wrote:They’ll have to dump him for second rounders and expirings like the Wizards dumped Beal. I could see the Sixers trading their veteran trash for him. Would the Knicks trade RJ Barrett?
elmdawgg69 wrote:They’ll have to dump him for second rounders and expirings like the Wizards dumped Beal. I could see the Sixers trading their veteran trash for him. Would the Knicks trade RJ Barrett?
HotelVitale wrote:elmdawgg69 wrote:They’ll have to dump him for second rounders and expirings like the Wizards dumped Beal. I could see the Sixers trading their veteran trash for him. Would the Knicks trade RJ Barrett?
They won't. The Wizards only had to do that because Beal had a no-trade clause so he could 100% dictate where he was going--the decision was either keep him or let him choose his destination (and his return package). Lavine also makes less than Beal (about $44m year instead of $50m+), is 2 years younger, and has a little less serious injury concerns.
I don't think Lavine will get back a giant superstar package but he'll definitely get more than just a salary dump return.
elmdawgg69 wrote:They’ll have to dump him for second rounders and expirings like the Wizards dumped Beal. I could see the Sixers trading their veteran trash for him. Would the Knicks trade RJ Barrett?
Scalabrine wrote:I would be very reluctant to trade RJ for him. I feel like Lavine caps the teams ceiling as a 2nd round exit. He'd be our oldest core player and he'd also be our highest paid player by quite a large margin. RJ at least still has potential to grow, his contract is pretty good, and he can be a piece that would interest teams in a trade for a bigger star than Lavine.
elmdawgg69 wrote:They’ll have to dump him for second rounders and expirings like the Wizards dumped Beal. I could see the Sixers trading their veteran trash for him. Would the Knicks trade RJ Barrett?
Wingy wrote:Scalabrine wrote:I would be very reluctant to trade RJ for him. I feel like Lavine caps the teams ceiling as a 2nd round exit. He'd be our oldest core player and he'd also be our highest paid player by quite a large margin. RJ at least still has potential to grow, his contract is pretty good, and he can be a piece that would interest teams in a trade for a bigger star than Lavine.
Lavine has plenty of warts and I get why some teams wouldn’t want him. But I don’t think RJ has all that much value either. He’s off to a nice start, but looking at his career numbers, we all see that he hasn’t even come particularly close to shooting league average efficiency. Never been impressed with the eye test to boot.
Not to compare directly to Lavine as sure, I could see someone preferring youth and lesser salary. I just don’t see RJ as a plus piece. As a Bulls fan, I wouldn’t want him as part of a Lavine package.
Pickled Prunes wrote:The contract is the issue. CHI will definitely find a team willing to give up a few 1sts for LaVine, but his contract is double that of RJ's. LaVine is the better player of the two, but he would need to be all-NBA to live up to that contract. Not likely!
On the other hand, RJ could outperform his contract without ever making an all-star team. He probably won't outperform his contract, but his value could spike as the go to scorer for a rebuilding team. LaVine's value can only go down.
Wingy wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:The contract is the issue. CHI will definitely find a team willing to give up a few 1sts for LaVine, but his contract is double that of RJ's. LaVine is the better player of the two, but he would need to be all-NBA to live up to that contract. Not likely!
On the other hand, RJ could outperform his contract without ever making an all-star team. He probably won't outperform his contract, but his value could spike as the go to scorer for a rebuilding team. LaVine's value can only go down.
Yup, I cited salary in my post. I just don’t see it with RJ. His value will only potentially spike with front office idiots like…the Bulls very own Arturas Karnisovas who can be fooled by counting stats (hello Vuc!). I’m not even much of a metrics-oriented fan, but even the most rudimentary understanding of some of the advanced metrics makes one give RJ the stink eye. That and his middling athleticism. Who knows. Some guys buck early trends, and maybe he’ll be one of the very few.
Pickled Prunes wrote:Wingy wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:The contract is the issue. CHI will definitely find a team willing to give up a few 1sts for LaVine, but his contract is double that of RJ's. LaVine is the better player of the two, but he would need to be all-NBA to live up to that contract. Not likely!
On the other hand, RJ could outperform his contract without ever making an all-star team. He probably won't outperform his contract, but his value could spike as the go to scorer for a rebuilding team. LaVine's value can only go down.
Yup, I cited salary in my post. I just don’t see it with RJ. His value will only potentially spike with front office idiots like…the Bulls very own Arturas Karnisovas who can be fooled by counting stats (hello Vuc!). I’m not even much of a metrics-oriented fan, but even the most rudimentary understanding of some of the advanced metrics makes one give RJ the stink eye. That and his middling athleticism. Who knows. Some guys buck early trends, and maybe he’ll be one of the very few.
Yeah, I mean we are talking about two players I don't believe in. But taking into account cost and health, I just believe in LaVine less. I don't honestly think either team should make that trade but if CHI got RJ and two protected 1sts, that would be a win. I don't see a way that the team getting LaVine wins the trade unless it really is for a Beal-like package. Hard to see that happening.
How do you feel about Lowry, Caleb Martin and a couple of 1sts? Would you rather have Herro or Lowry's expiring deal?
Vuc averaging 18/11/3 is the least of the issues in CHI. At $18m per, he is on a reasonable contract. Actually, the CHI roster is loaded with good contacts. What they don't have is a coach with any type of plan. They should really be looking at a new coach before the make any moves, even if it's a coach that they see as the head of their rebuild. Donovan is an average coach on a good day and the Bulls haven't seen a good day since Lonzo went down. There is no reason that the talent on that roster shouldn't be looking at a 5-8 seed in the lEast. A coaching change is way overdue.
Scalabrine wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:Wingy wrote:
Yup, I cited salary in my post. I just don’t see it with RJ. His value will only potentially spike with front office idiots like…the Bulls very own Arturas Karnisovas who can be fooled by counting stats (hello Vuc!). I’m not even much of a metrics-oriented fan, but even the most rudimentary understanding of some of the advanced metrics makes one give RJ the stink eye. That and his middling athleticism. Who knows. Some guys buck early trends, and maybe he’ll be one of the very few.
Yeah, I mean we are talking about two players I don't believe in. But taking into account cost and health, I just believe in LaVine less. I don't honestly think either team should make that trade but if CHI got RJ and two protected 1sts, that would be a win. I don't see a way that the team getting LaVine wins the trade unless it really is for a Beal-like package. Hard to see that happening.
How do you feel about Lowry, Caleb Martin and a couple of 1sts? Would you rather have Herro or Lowry's expiring deal?
Vuc averaging 18/11/3 is the least of the issues in CHI. At $18m per, he is on a reasonable contract. Actually, the CHI roster is loaded with good contacts. What they don't have is a coach with any type of plan. They should really be looking at a new coach before the make any moves, even if it's a coach that they see as the head of their rebuild. Donovan is an average coach on a good day and the Bulls haven't seen a good day since Lonzo went down. There is no reason that the talent on that roster shouldn't be looking at a 5-8 seed in the lEast. A coaching change is way overdue.
This team has run it's course. There is no way a new coach is going to change their issues. They don't have the flexibility to fix it. They are too good as currently constructed to be able to bottom out. This isn't me saying that a coaching change shouldn't happen, but it's also not the issue here. A Vuc/Derozan/Lavine core is at best a play-in team.