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Brandon Ingram has one year left on the five-year max deal he signed with the New Orleans Pelicans in 2020. Ingram has been the subject of trade speculation that began ahead of last season's trade deadline.

One thing seems certain if Ingram is to remain with New Orleans, it won't be on a max deal. The Pelicans reportedly have no interest in signing the veteran forward to a max extension that would run for four years and a projected $208.5 million through 2028-29. Without an extension, Ingram would be an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2025.

In five years with New Orleans, Ingram has averaged 23.1 points, 5.5 rebounds and 5.2 assists. He was an All-Star in 2020 and a part of Team USA at the 2023 FIBA World Cup.

Via Christian Clark/New Orleans Times-Picayune

respectfully, that woman who own the team needs to sell it if she still owns. There is no reason from an asset management perspective to not give him the max. Giving him max now makes complete sense because of way the cap is set to raise over the next 3 years. There are probably only 7-10 teams that wouldnt give him a contract like that. Teams would rather trade for him WITH team control as opposed to being a potential rental and will use that to leverage him.

Ingram has 0 reason to do anything other than play for his numbers, try to stay healthy, sit out as many games as he can and wait until next offseason and get an even bigger max contract than what he would have signed this offseason.

Lockdown504090 wrote:respectfully, that woman who own the team needs to sell it if she still owns. There is no reason from an asset management perspective to not give him the max. Giving him max now makes complete sense because of way the cap is set to raise over the next 3 years. There are probably only 7-10 teams that wouldnt give him a contract like that. Teams would rather trade for him WITH team control as opposed to being a potential rental and will use that to leverage him.

Ingram has 0 reason to do anything other than play for his numbers, try to stay healthy, sit out as many games as he can and wait until next offseason and get an even bigger max contract than what he would have signed this offseason.

Ingram is not worth the max he is an average defender and he is a mid range shooter which is not what you want in todays NBA.. KP is better than Ingram and he gets 30mil per season not 60.

haste10176 wrote:

Lockdown504090 wrote:respectfully, that woman who own the team needs to sell it if she still owns. There is no reason from an asset management perspective to not give him the max. Giving him max now makes complete sense because of way the cap is set to raise over the next 3 years. There are probably only 7-10 teams that wouldnt give him a contract like that. Teams would rather trade for him WITH team control as opposed to being a potential rental and will use that to leverage him.

Ingram has 0 reason to do anything other than play for his numbers, try to stay healthy, sit out as many games as he can and wait until next offseason and get an even bigger max contract than what he would have signed this offseason.

Ingram is not worth the max he is an average defender and he is a mid range shooter which is not what you want in todays NBA.. KP is better than Ingram and he gets 30mil per season not 60.

Bi max is 4/208 iirc. next offseason it will be 4/220-230( probably another year because of his age) other teams value him at that number over the next season more than they do as an expiring contract. regardless how you feel, extend him then trade him at the first available opportunity. if that wasnt their gameplan they should have moved him at the deadline. I totally agree with you, but this strategy makes no sense for new Orleans.

Tyler Herro and Kevin Love for Ingram. Fresh start for both players. Miami taking the risk on Ingram as a rental. Rolling the dice at one more run at the title in the Jimmy Buckets era.

Herro and Zion both like to fool around with "Instagram Models". Should get along great, shared interests to bond over. Doesn't really matter if Herro loses the teams confidence that he will get it done in the play-offs because Zion will probably not even be healthy as usual. Good scapegoat for Zion homers

Plus, I noticed Pelicans don't have much diversity under contract for next year. Every team needs a white guy that can stand in the corner and shoot 3's, while being a defensive liability. Pels fans, who you going have the other team target in the pick and roll and iso? Herb Williams... please the guy wouldn't know the first thing about being a defensive turnstile.

Lockdown504090 wrote:respectfully, that woman who own the team needs to sell it if she still owns. There is no reason from an asset management perspective to not give him the max. Giving him max now makes complete sense because of way the cap is set to raise over the next 3 years. There are probably only 7-10 teams that wouldnt give him a contract like that. Teams would rather trade for him WITH team control as opposed to being a potential rental and will use that to leverage him.

Ingram has 0 reason to do anything other than play for his numbers, try to stay healthy, sit out as many games as he can and wait until next offseason and get an even bigger max contract than what he would have signed this offseason.

I wouldn’t pay him the max. He doesn’t move the needle. Dude always hurt, poor body language and made the all-star once. Has he made all-NBA?. He’s not a winner, complain about not getting enough playing time during FIBA, and got into it this year with the coach because he wasn’t getting enough shots. Trade him ASAP

dubbmotta wrote:

Lockdown504090 wrote:respectfully, that woman who own the team needs to sell it if she still owns. There is no reason from an asset management perspective to not give him the max. Giving him max now makes complete sense because of way the cap is set to raise over the next 3 years. There are probably only 7-10 teams that wouldnt give him a contract like that. Teams would rather trade for him WITH team control as opposed to being a potential rental and will use that to leverage him.

Ingram has 0 reason to do anything other than play for his numbers, try to stay healthy, sit out as many games as he can and wait until next offseason and get an even bigger max contract than what he would have signed this offseason.

I wouldn’t pay him the max. He doesn’t move the needle. Dude always hurt, poor body language and made the all-star once. Has he made all-NBA?. He’s not a winner, complain about not getting enough playing time during FIBA, and got into it this year with the coach because he wasn’t getting enough shots. Trade him ASAP

All facts. But the warriors sixers cavs and Knicks are all probably considering making a move for him right now and a player in his prime on a 1 year deal is less attractive than one with 4 years that will only take him to like 32 years old. Salary cap will be like 195 million in 3 years compared to 145. Second apron will be like 250. This is how the warriors built a dynasty. You will see teams try to get as close to the apron as possible and let the cap increases from the tv deal balance their finances

Lockdown504090 wrote:

dubbmotta wrote:

Lockdown504090 wrote:respectfully, that woman who own the team needs to sell it if she still owns. There is no reason from an asset management perspective to not give him the max. Giving him max now makes complete sense because of way the cap is set to raise over the next 3 years. There are probably only 7-10 teams that wouldnt give him a contract like that. Teams would rather trade for him WITH team control as opposed to being a potential rental and will use that to leverage him.

Ingram has 0 reason to do anything other than play for his numbers, try to stay healthy, sit out as many games as he can and wait until next offseason and get an even bigger max contract than what he would have signed this offseason.

I wouldn’t pay him the max. He doesn’t move the needle. Dude always hurt, poor body language and made the all-star once. Has he made all-NBA?. He’s not a winner, complain about not getting enough playing time during FIBA, and got into it this year with the coach because he wasn’t getting enough shots. Trade him ASAP

All facts. But the warriors sixers cavs and Knicks are all probably considering making a move for him right now and a player in his prime on a 1 year deal is less attractive than one with 4 years that will only take him to like 32 years old. Salary cap will be like 195 million in 3 years compared to 145. Second apron will be like 250. This is how the warriors built a dynasty. You will see teams try to get as close to the apron as possible and let the cap increases from the tv deal balance their finances

Even with the salary cap increasing I don't see teams giving him the max. He is a mid-range player. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective. He is also not good enough to be a second option on a championship team. He would just clog up the lane for Brunson and Randle. They should rather try to get a great big man instead of wasting their time on him, especially considering how injured he has been. Like there is a reason why KP won't get a big contract. Even Khris Middleton is getting 30mil a season on his. You really think BI should get 20 more mill, making a bigger earner than Luka?

Lockdown504090 wrote:

dubbmotta wrote:

Lockdown504090 wrote:respectfully, that woman who own the team needs to sell it if she still owns. There is no reason from an asset management perspective to not give him the max. Giving him max now makes complete sense because of way the cap is set to raise over the next 3 years. There are probably only 7-10 teams that wouldnt give him a contract like that. Teams would rather trade for him WITH team control as opposed to being a potential rental and will use that to leverage him.

Ingram has 0 reason to do anything other than play for his numbers, try to stay healthy, sit out as many games as he can and wait until next offseason and get an even bigger max contract than what he would have signed this offseason.

I wouldn’t pay him the max. He doesn’t move the needle. Dude always hurt, poor body language and made the all-star once. Has he made all-NBA?. He’s not a winner, complain about not getting enough playing time during FIBA, and got into it this year with the coach because he wasn’t getting enough shots. Trade him ASAP

All facts. But the warriors sixers cavs and Knicks are all probably considering making a move for him right now and a player in his prime on a 1 year deal is less attractive than one with 4 years that will only take him to like 32 years old. Salary cap will be like 195 million in 3 years compared to 145. Second apron will be like 250. This is how the warriors built a dynasty. You will see teams try to get as close to the apron as possible and let the cap increases from the tv deal balance their finances

You ever watched BI play? Dude does not play winning basketball, he's looking for his shot and has bad body language when he does not get the ball. That doesn't fit the Knicks or Warriors culture and the Cavs already have chuckers.

Lockdown504090 wrote:Teams would rather trade for him WITH team control as opposed to being a potential rental and will use that to leverage him.

Interesting point.

But I would think Griff has carte blanche to run the team here. Can't imagine Gayle Benson is too involved in personnel, right?

The dude is like a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) version of Carmelo Anthony. No wonder they don’t want to send him the Brinks trucks.

neither will anyone else

Lockdown504090 wrote:respectfully, that woman who own the team needs to sell it if she still owns. There is no reason from an asset management perspective to not give him the max. Giving him max now makes complete sense because of way the cap is set to raise over the next 3 years. There are probably only 7-10 teams that wouldnt give him a contract like that. Teams would rather trade for him WITH team control as opposed to being a potential rental and will use that to leverage him.

Ingram has 0 reason to do anything other than play for his numbers, try to stay healthy, sit out as many games as he can and wait until next offseason and get an even bigger max contract than what he would have signed this offseason.

Ingram's size/skill will likely age well, but I seem to recall him being rather injury prone. That he's also not the best fit next to Trey, Herb, and Zion isn't exactly a secret around the league.

Having an enormous amount of money sunk into 2 injury prone stars is potentially franchise crippling. I'm just not sure how much value an extension really adds versus the added risk in this situation. Who was the last star traded that turned into a rental? Kawhi to the Raptors? Ingram isn't a superstar, he's gonna sign for the money wherever he gets traded to.

Yes, the cap will go up because of the new TV deals, but with cap-smoothing in place we can make a fairly well educated guess that the cap will be around $155m in 25-26. New Orleans already has Zion and CJ taking up $70m in 25-26. Add in Ingram at $50m and you're already at $120m with just those three. Their other contracts add up to roughly $30m and that doesn't include Trey Murphy who will need a new deal.

Not bad, but also not great considering how punitive the tax penalties have become.