Knicks Offered Two First-Round Picks For Walker Kessler

Post #1 » by **RealGM Wiretap** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:00 am

The Utah Jazz turned down the New York Knicks' offer of two first-round picks for Walker Kessler, reported Ian Begley of SNY.

Begley adds that he does not know what protections the first-round picks had.

Kessler, who is currently with Utah's Summer League team, has two years remaining on his contract.

Via Ian Begley/SNY

Bolsolixo · Post #2 » by **Bolsolixo** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:28 am

Not sure why they even start this negotiation. Anyway, at this point all the other teams in the league knows the Knicks are in desperate need of a center, prices will be very high.

Logicjbr · Post #3 » by **Logicjbr** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:11 pm

lol thats bad headline. he said teams had offered two 1st rounders and were "rebuffed", not that the knicks had offered anything. lol.

Logicjbr · Post #4 » by **Logicjbr** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:12 pm

Logicjbr wrote:lol thats bad headline. he said teams had offered two 1st rounders and were "rebuffed", not that the knicks had offered anything. lol. https://youtu.be/Fl-FG5OR7gA?si=cNGlWqK9kRq5QN_f&t=69

Logicjbr · Post #5 » by **Logicjbr** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:13 pm

Logicjbr wrote:
Logicjbr wrote:lol thats bad headline. he said TEAMS had offered two 1st rounders and were "rebuffed", not that the knicks had offered anything. lol. https://youtu.be/Fl-FG5OR7gA?si=cNGlWqK9kRq5QN_f&t=69

haste10176 · Post #6 » by **haste10176** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:14 pm

Logicjbr wrote:
Logicjbr wrote:
Logicjbr wrote:lol thats bad headline. he said TEAMS had offered two 1st rounders and were "rebuffed", not that the knicks had offered anything. lol. https://youtu.be/Fl-FG5OR7gA?si=cNGlWqK9kRq5QN_f&t=69

It would make sense for a few teams including the knicks especially because of the contract knicks also owned heavily protected first rd picks that might not even convey

niha17 · Post #7 » by **niha17** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:42 pm

they not doing it for late 1st rounders they gonna want mcbride and something else with the 2 1st rounders the jazz gm got all them picks in boston he not gonna help the knicks lol

Post #8 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:46 pm

The only 1st round picks the Knicks can trade are (heavily) protected 1st round picks. They would likely have to move Deuce McBride to another team for 1st. But the original article did NOT say that the Knicks offered 2 1st round picks.

StlHawksFan · Post #9 » by **StlHawksFan** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:51 pm

haste10176 wrote:
Logicjbr wrote:
Logicjbr wrote:

It would make sense for a few teams including the knicks especially because of the contract knicks also owned heavily protected first rd picks that might not even convey

Detroit pick will convey in 2026 or 2027 for sure. The protections are low and Detroit is at this point already looking like the 9th or 10th best team in the East.

Washington pick is essentially going to become two picks in the low 30s unless the Wizards manage to get Cooper Flagg.

Pickled Prunes · Post #10 » by **Pickled Prunes** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:15 pm

StlHawksFan wrote:
haste10176 wrote:
Logicjbr wrote:

It would make sense for a few teams including the knicks especially because of the contract knicks also owned heavily protected first rd picks that might not even convey

Detroit pick will convey in 2026 or 2027 for sure. The protections are low and Detroit is at this point already looking like the 9th or 10th best team in the East.

Washington pick is essentially going to become two picks in the low 30s unless the Wizards manage to get Cooper Flagg.

If DET makes the play-in Ill buy you a pizza!

Logicjbr · Post #11 » by **Logicjbr** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:06 pm

haste10176 wrote:
Logicjbr wrote:
Logicjbr wrote:

It would make sense for a few teams including the knicks especially because of the contract knicks also owned heavily protected first rd picks that might not even convey

i'm just saying its not what Begley reported. He never mentions the knicks offering anything....

Logicjbr · Post #12 » by **Logicjbr** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:11 pm

Bolsolixo wrote:Not sure why they even start this negotiation. Anyway, at this point all the other teams in the league knows the Knicks are in desperate need of a center, prices will be very high.

they didnt whoever wrote the article misunderstood what begley said.

King4Day · Post #13 » by **King4Day** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:03 pm

I thought NY had no more 1sts to trade at the moment?

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #14 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:52 pm

King4Day wrote:I thought NY had no more 1sts to trade at the moment?

Maybe it was just pick swaps? NY is a better team so it would have almost no value.

Post #15 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:25 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
King4Day wrote:I thought NY had no more 1sts to trade at the moment?

Maybe it was just pick swaps? NY is a better team so it would have almost no value.

The only picks NY can offer are teh Detroit and Washington pick swaps, which are unlikely to transfer in 2025, and have a pretty good chance of not transfering at all, turning into 3 2nd round picks (one of them becomes a 2nd, the other one becomes two 2nds - don't remember which is which).

So, these are pretty uninteresting first round picks (probably why these are the 2 Jersey didn't ask for), but if they do convey, they'll be in the top 12-18 range I would guess, depending on win totals for Detroit/Washington if they start to win. The potential range of these picks isn't bad, but the odds that they won't convey is a bummer.

Technically, NY could still offer 2026 and 2030 pick swaps (not that interesting) they have their 2026, 2028 & 2030 firsts, as you have to hold one every other year, Jersey already has their 2028 pick swap.

And they have quite a few 2nd rounders.

StlHawksFan · Post #16 » by **StlHawksFan** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:06 am

Pickled Prunes wrote:
StlHawksFan wrote:
haste10176 wrote:
It would make sense for a few teams including the knicks especially because of the contract knicks also owned heavily protected first rd picks that might not even convey

Detroit pick will convey in 2026 or 2027 for sure. The protections are low and Detroit is at this point already looking like the 9th or 10th best team in the East.

Washington pick is essentially going to become two picks in the low 30s unless the Wizards manage to get Cooper Flagg.

If DET makes the play-in Ill buy you a pizza!

I'm looking forward to a Detroit-style pizza in 2027.

Post #17 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:16 am

Luv those Knicks wrote:
The only picks NY can offer are teh Detroit and Washington pick swaps,

That should say protected picks.

I don't know if the Detroit pick is going to come over. 2026 or not, but I'm not super optimistic. 2025 seems highly unlikely. Washington too, though Washington's falls down to top 8 protected on the last year, but the Wiz are pretty bad.

Pickled Prunes · Post #18 » by **Pickled Prunes** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:35 am

StlHawksFan wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:
StlHawksFan wrote:
Detroit pick will convey in 2026 or 2027 for sure. The protections are low and Detroit is at this point already looking like the 9th or 10th best team in the East.

Washington pick is essentially going to become two picks in the low 30s unless the Wizards manage to get Cooper Flagg.

If DET makes the play-in Ill buy you a pizza!

I'm looking forward to a Detroit-style pizza in 2027.

I thought they were already the 9th or 10th best team in the East. What happened?

DoctorDunc · Post #19 » by **DoctorDunc** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:18 am

Rule number one, do not get in to a negotiation with Danny Ain’t. You are sure to get screwed. Just ask Isaiah Thomas.

Post #20 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:54 am

Pickled Prunes wrote:
StlHawksFan wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:If DET makes the play-in Ill buy you a pizza!

I'm looking forward to a Detroit-style pizza in 2027.

I thought they were already the 9th or 10th best team in the East. What happened?

Detroit was historically bad last year. I think the set a record for most consecutive losses. They should be better this year I think, but not by enough for the pick to transfer.

2026 or 2027 - maybe. But I'm not optimistic.