Raptors Own That This Is a Rebuilding Season

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Raptors Own That This Is a Rebuilding Season 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Wed Oct 2, 2024 1:03 pm

Toronto Raptors president Masai Ujiri isn't avoiding the word "rebuild" like it's a dirty word or something forbidden to admit. Instead, Ujiri is embracing this Raptors season for what it is.


"I would use the word rebuilding. That's the right word," Ujiri said when asked to describe the upcoming season. "I think we have a clear path now going forward. … I think we set a path (when) we went into the draft last year and got a couple of young players and we want to continue to grow and build this team around Scottie (Barnes), who is 23 years old. … So, yes, in sports, you always want to be competitive, and you play to win. We're going to play to win. But it is a rebuilding team. I think everybody sees that loud and clear."


Raptors center Jakob Poeltl echoed the front office leader's thoughts.


"We're all aware of the situation. We had a massive change in the team since the middle of last season. So we know that we're starting somewhere in the beginning," said Poeltl. "We're definitely capable of winning some games (but) I know that's not the main focus for us … this has to be a long-term project. I think we all know, we're not going to go attack the championship this year. It makes no sense for us to try to win every single game as much as we can and sacrifice development in terms of that."

Via Michael Grange/TSN

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Re: Raptors Own That This Is a Rebuilding Season 

Post#2 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Oct 2, 2024 4:49 pm

Better late than never...
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Post#3 » by uconn83 » Wed Oct 2, 2024 5:24 pm

they also showed last season they aren't very good even when competing, they are not what Jazz were a couple seasons ago when they were overachieving with vets and Markannen.
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Re: Raptors Own That This Is a Rebuilding Season 

Post#4 » by Scalabrine » Wed Oct 2, 2024 5:43 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:Better late than never...


I know thats just a saying...but is it?

If they did this a few years ago; they would have gotten more OG and Siakam, they would have gotten SOMETHING for FVV or Trent when they had value, and they wouldn't have traded assets/picks for Poeltl mid-season.

Now we're looking at a team thats capped out. Their first rounder this year went to San Antonio.They aren't bad enough to be really bad and they aren't good enough to be great. They need one of these unproven young guys to turn into a legit star 1b type guy and then hope that another star pops up and is available via trade and that star needs to fit into a team built around three non-shooters (Barnes, RJ, Poeltl) and has to fit into their nucleus age wise. So who is that? Trae Young? Tyler Herro? Donovan Mitchell? Zion Williamson or Brandon Ingram? Are they hoping the Bucks crash and burn and they can go get Giannis?

It just feels like this team got lost in void.
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Post#5 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Oct 2, 2024 7:38 pm

Scalabrine wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Better late than never...


I know thats just a saying...but is it?

If they did this a few years ago; they would have gotten more OG and Siakam, they would have gotten SOMETHING for FVV or Trent when they had value, and they wouldn't have traded assets/picks for Poeltl mid-season.

Now we're looking at a team thats capped out. Their first rounder this year went to San Antonio.They aren't bad enough to be really bad and they aren't good enough to be great. They need one of these unproven young guys to turn into a legit star 1b type guy and then hope that another star pops up and is available via trade and that star needs to fit into a team built around three non-shooters (Barnes, RJ, Poeltl) and has to fit into their nucleus age wise. So who is that? Trae Young? Tyler Herro? Donovan Mitchell? Zion Williamson or Brandon Ingram? Are they hoping the Bucks crash and burn and they can go get Giannis?

It just feels like this team got lost in void.


Barnes at point forward, a top scorer, and a top two way guard should be enough to contend excluding good role players. So if all healthy playing in their prime a team with Barnes, Khris Middleton or Alan Houston, and Jrue Holiday or Joe Dumars should get it done IMO. Barnes isn't a superstar, but the position he plays is possibly the most important position so the route to contention is easier and doesn't require actually having a superstar on the roster IMO.
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Re: Raptors Own That This Is a Rebuilding Season 

Post#6 » by Scalabrine » Wed Oct 2, 2024 10:47 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Better late than never...


I know thats just a saying...but is it?

If they did this a few years ago; they would have gotten more OG and Siakam, they would have gotten SOMETHING for FVV or Trent when they had value, and they wouldn't have traded assets/picks for Poeltl mid-season.

Now we're looking at a team thats capped out. Their first rounder this year went to San Antonio.They aren't bad enough to be really bad and they aren't good enough to be great. They need one of these unproven young guys to turn into a legit star 1b type guy and then hope that another star pops up and is available via trade and that star needs to fit into a team built around three non-shooters (Barnes, RJ, Poeltl) and has to fit into their nucleus age wise. So who is that? Trae Young? Tyler Herro? Donovan Mitchell? Zion Williamson or Brandon Ingram? Are they hoping the Bucks crash and burn and they can go get Giannis?

It just feels like this team got lost in void.


Barnes at point forward, a top scorer, and a top two way guard should be enough to contend excluding good role players. So if all healthy playing in their prime a team with Barnes, Khris Middleton or Alan Houston, and Jrue Holiday or Joe Dumars should get it done IMO. Barnes isn't a superstar, but the position he plays is possibly the most important position so the route to contention is easier and doesn't require actually having a superstar on the roster IMO.


Can you elaborate? Are you saying RJ is Middleton or Houston and IQ is Jrue or Dumars?
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Re: Raptors Own That This Is a Rebuilding Season 

Post#7 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Oct 2, 2024 11:00 pm

Scalabrine wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:
I know thats just a saying...but is it?

If they did this a few years ago; they would have gotten more OG and Siakam, they would have gotten SOMETHING for FVV or Trent when they had value, and they wouldn't have traded assets/picks for Poeltl mid-season.

Now we're looking at a team thats capped out. Their first rounder this year went to San Antonio.They aren't bad enough to be really bad and they aren't good enough to be great. They need one of these unproven young guys to turn into a legit star 1b type guy and then hope that another star pops up and is available via trade and that star needs to fit into a team built around three non-shooters (Barnes, RJ, Poeltl) and has to fit into their nucleus age wise. So who is that? Trae Young? Tyler Herro? Donovan Mitchell? Zion Williamson or Brandon Ingram? Are they hoping the Bucks crash and burn and they can go get Giannis?

It just feels like this team got lost in void.


Barnes at point forward, a top scorer, and a top two way guard should be enough to contend excluding good role players. So if all healthy playing in their prime a team with Barnes, Khris Middleton or Alan Houston, and Jrue Holiday or Joe Dumars should get it done IMO. Barnes isn't a superstar, but the position he plays is possibly the most important position so the route to contention is easier and doesn't require actually having a superstar on the roster IMO.


Can you elaborate? Are you saying RJ is Middleton or Houston and IQ is Jrue or Dumars?


I didn't consider either of those two guys. Barnes is the only guy that matters on the Raptors IMO. Perhaps IQ and RJ can be included within the "role players" on that contender but they certainly aren't what Barnes needs to compete for titles as a point forward.
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Re: Raptors Own That This Is a Rebuilding Season 

Post#8 » by Jabroni Lames » Thu Oct 3, 2024 2:38 am

Scalabrine wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:
I know thats just a saying...but is it?

If they did this a few years ago; they would have gotten more OG and Siakam, they would have gotten SOMETHING for FVV or Trent when they had value, and they wouldn't have traded assets/picks for Poeltl mid-season.

Now we're looking at a team thats capped out. Their first rounder this year went to San Antonio.They aren't bad enough to be really bad and they aren't good enough to be great. They need one of these unproven young guys to turn into a legit star 1b type guy and then hope that another star pops up and is available via trade and that star needs to fit into a team built around three non-shooters (Barnes, RJ, Poeltl) and has to fit into their nucleus age wise. So who is that? Trae Young? Tyler Herro? Donovan Mitchell? Zion Williamson or Brandon Ingram? Are they hoping the Bucks crash and burn and they can go get Giannis?

It just feels like this team got lost in void.


Barnes at point forward, a top scorer, and a top two way guard should be enough to contend excluding good role players. So if all healthy playing in their prime a team with Barnes, Khris Middleton or Alan Houston, and Jrue Holiday or Joe Dumars should get it done IMO. Barnes isn't a superstar, but the position he plays is possibly the most important position so the route to contention is easier and doesn't require actually having a superstar on the roster IMO.


Can you elaborate? Are you saying RJ is Middleton or Houston and IQ is Jrue or Dumars?


Masai Ujiri is Joe Dumars… the GM. One hit championship wonder, who will never get close again, but will live off that reputation for longer than he should.

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