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Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:09 am
by RealGM Wiretap

The Phoenix Suns have traded their unprotected 2031 first round pick to the Utah Jazz for three future first round picks. The Suns will acquire the least favorable first round picks between the Cleveland Cavaliers and Minnesota Timberwolves in 2025, the least favorable between the Cavaliers, Wolves and Jazz in 2027, as well as the least favorable selection between the Cavaliers, Wolves and Jazz in 2029.


The Suns have tripled their available first round picks to trade, while the Jazz are consolidating their surplus picks for a higher variance selection in 2031 via Phoenix.


The Suns have been aggressive on the trade market and have been linked with interest in acquiring Jimmy Butler. 

Via Shams Charania/ESPN


Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:43 am
by Melwing
Butler wouldn't fix anything in Phoenix

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:52 am
by kenwood3333
The Sun is trying to dig itself into an even deeper hole

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:53 am
by hyberx
What kind of las vegas slot machine is this.

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 1:23 am
by Luv those Knicks
kenwood3333 wrote:The Sun is trying to dig itself into an even deeper hole


I don't hate it. It's a get better now move. More often than not, that doesn't work, but I don't blame a team for trying.

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:43 am
by MartyConlonJr
3 x 29th-30th picks in the draft (Cavs pick for 2025/2027/2029, with a fairly set roster of guys who are 28 or younger and will be in prime throughout) for 1 unprotected pick that will be after perennially injured Jimmy Butler and KD's contracts are over, for a team that has given away all the draft picks before hand in trades and swaps, and any avenue to get better.

Are 3 x 29-30th picks better than 1x lotto pick?

I don't think so, and as a Heat fan I assume this is what we are getting for Jimmy, which makes me sad. And I assume what will actually happen is the team that takes on Beal will get 2, we will get 1.

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:18 am
by Luv those Knicks
MartyConlonJr wrote:3 x 29th-30th picks in the draft (Cavs pick for 2025/2027/2029, with a fairly set roster of guys who are 28 or younger and will be in prime throughout) for 1 unprotected pick that will be after perennially injured Jimmy Butler and KD's contracts are over, for a team that has given away all the draft picks before hand in trades and swaps, and any avenue to get better.

Are 3 x 29-30th picks better than 1x lotto pick?

I don't think so, and as a Heat fan I assume this is what we are getting for Jimmy, which makes me sad. And I assume what will actually happen is the team that takes on Beal will get 2, we will get 1.


They can throw in one of their own. It could be 2 picks and 2 picks, if Phoenix decides the trade is worth 4 picks.

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:54 am
by niha17
this is horroble for the jazz and maybe the worst trade ive ever seen

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:59 am
by Pickled Prunes
Luv those Knicks wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:3 x 29th-30th picks in the draft (Cavs pick for 2025/2027/2029, with a fairly set roster of guys who are 28 or younger and will be in prime throughout) for 1 unprotected pick that will be after perennially injured Jimmy Butler and KD's contracts are over, for a team that has given away all the draft picks before hand in trades and swaps, and any avenue to get better.

Are 3 x 29-30th picks better than 1x lotto pick?

I don't think so, and as a Heat fan I assume this is what we are getting for Jimmy, which makes me sad. And I assume what will actually happen is the team that takes on Beal will get 2, we will get 1.


They can throw in one of their own. It could be 2 picks and 2 picks, if Phoenix decides the trade is worth 4 picks.

PHX now has 3 picks they can trade. They have no way to get a 4th.

And I wouldn't count on that 2031 pick being a lottery pick. There is a very good chance that 2029 MIN/UTH pick is worse.

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:20 am
by Vegeta10176
MartyConlonJr wrote:3 x 29th-30th picks in the draft (Cavs pick for 2025/2027/2029, with a fairly set roster of guys who are 28 or younger and will be in prime throughout) for 1 unprotected pick that will be after perennially injured Jimmy Butler and KD's contracts are over, for a team that has given away all the draft picks before hand in trades and swaps, and any avenue to get better.

Are 3 x 29-30th picks better than 1x lotto pick?

I don't think so, and as a Heat fan I assume this is what we are getting for Jimmy, which makes me sad. And I assume what will actually happen is the team that takes on Beal will get 2, we will get 1.


Yes but if miami get the expiring they want and a pick to remain flexible and get a guy off the roster that doesn't want to be there I think that's enough.. Middleton to Heat (not sure if he is expiring though) one 1st.. Beal to bucks 2 firsts and Butler to suns.

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:29 am
by LakersLegacy
Vegeta10176 wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:3 x 29th-30th picks in the draft (Cavs pick for 2025/2027/2029, with a fairly set roster of guys who are 28 or younger and will be in prime throughout) for 1 unprotected pick that will be after perennially injured Jimmy Butler and KD's contracts are over, for a team that has given away all the draft picks before hand in trades and swaps, and any avenue to get better.

Are 3 x 29-30th picks better than 1x lotto pick?

I don't think so, and as a Heat fan I assume this is what we are getting for Jimmy, which makes me sad. And I assume what will actually happen is the team that takes on Beal will get 2, we will get 1.


Yes but if miami get the expiring they want and a pick to remain flexible and get a guy off the roster that doesn't want to be there I think that's enough.. Middleton to Heat (not sure if he is expiring though) one 1st.. Beal to bucks 2 firsts and Butler to suns.


The Suns are not guaranteed to be a horrible team in Booker’ prime

3 for 1

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:31 am
by MartyConlonJr
Pickled Prunes wrote:
Luv those Knicks wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:3 x 29th-30th picks in the draft (Cavs pick for 2025/2027/2029, with a fairly set roster of guys who are 28 or younger and will be in prime throughout) for 1 unprotected pick that will be after perennially injured Jimmy Butler and KD's contracts are over, for a team that has given away all the draft picks before hand in trades and swaps, and any avenue to get better.

Are 3 x 29-30th picks better than 1x lotto pick?

I don't think so, and as a Heat fan I assume this is what we are getting for Jimmy, which makes me sad. And I assume what will actually happen is the team that takes on Beal will get 2, we will get 1.


They can throw in one of their own. It could be 2 picks and 2 picks, if Phoenix decides the trade is worth 4 picks.

PHX now has 3 picks they can trade. They have no way to get a 4th.

And I wouldn't count on that 2031 pick being a lottery pick. There is a very good chance that 2029 MIN/UTH pick is worse.


I don't understand what you are talking about with 2029 Min/Utah pick being worse. The pick is the least favourable of Min/Utah/Cle. All three teams would have to be in the lottery for the pick to be a lottery pick. A lot can happen in 4 years, but Garland/Mitchell/Mobley/Allen, the core of Cleveland, and currently a 70 win projected team, will be all in their prime, in their late 20s and early 30s.

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:55 am
by Chi Dynasty12
This is one of the weirder trades I've ever seen but I get it

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:19 am
by Pickled Prunes
MartyConlonJr wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:
Luv those Knicks wrote:
They can throw in one of their own. It could be 2 picks and 2 picks, if Phoenix decides the trade is worth 4 picks.

PHX now has 3 picks they can trade. They have no way to get a 4th.

And I wouldn't count on that 2031 pick being a lottery pick. There is a very good chance that 2029 MIN/UTH pick is worse.


I don't understand what you are talking about with 2029 Min/Utah pick being worse. The pick is the least favourable of Min/Utah/Cle. All three teams would have to be in the lottery for the pick to be a lottery pick. A lot can happen in 4 years, but Garland/Mitchell/Mobley/Allen, the core of Cleveland, and currently a 70 win projected team, will be all in their prime, in their late 20s and early 30s.

Nope, Just MIN and UTH (I think). UTH is a long ways away from being anything. MIN can never keep a star for long and PHX will probably still have Booker.

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:48 am
by MartyConlonJr
Pickled Prunes wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:PHX now has 3 picks they can trade. They have no way to get a 4th.

And I wouldn't count on that 2031 pick being a lottery pick. There is a very good chance that 2029 MIN/UTH pick is worse.


I don't understand what you are talking about with 2029 Min/Utah pick being worse. The pick is the least favourable of Min/Utah/Cle. All three teams would have to be in the lottery for the pick to be a lottery pick. A lot can happen in 4 years, but Garland/Mitchell/Mobley/Allen, the core of Cleveland, and currently a 70 win projected team, will be all in their prime, in their late 20s and early 30s.

Nope, Just MIN and UTH (I think). UTH is a long ways away from being anything. MIN can never keep a star for long and PHX will probably still have Booker.


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Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:44 am
by NoStatsGuy
Melwing wrote:Butler wouldn't fix anything in Phoenix


he would definitley bring in some toughness and accountability in the locker room. something they desperately need

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:45 am
by NoStatsGuy
LakersLegacy wrote:
Vegeta10176 wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:3 x 29th-30th picks in the draft (Cavs pick for 2025/2027/2029, with a fairly set roster of guys who are 28 or younger and will be in prime throughout) for 1 unprotected pick that will be after perennially injured Jimmy Butler and KD's contracts are over, for a team that has given away all the draft picks before hand in trades and swaps, and any avenue to get better.

Are 3 x 29-30th picks better than 1x lotto pick?

I don't think so, and as a Heat fan I assume this is what we are getting for Jimmy, which makes me sad. And I assume what will actually happen is the team that takes on Beal will get 2, we will get 1.


Yes but if miami get the expiring they want and a pick to remain flexible and get a guy off the roster that doesn't want to be there I think that's enough.. Middleton to Heat (not sure if he is expiring though) one 1st.. Beal to bucks 2 firsts and Butler to suns.


The Suns are not guaranteed to be a horrible team in Booker’ prime

3 for 1



are we sure bookers is a sun in 6 years tho? The way this team is constructed, there is probably no way to restructure this team to be competetive in 6 years.

KD and beal will be out of the league. The only way booker stays a sun, i assume, would be if booker is an mvp caliber player and other players want to group up with him in phoenix. its much more likely that this teams is going to get blown up and booker ends up asking out, which would be smart for phx aswell. because booker is literally the only piece with value on that roster. KD still has some left for sure, but with every year he plays the value drops quite significantly, hes 37. id say he has a maximum of 2 or 3 years left as a top 3 player on a good team. booker is the only player that would bring in significant rebuild value.

so if i had to bet, yea the 2031 pick is gonna be in the lottery pretty sure

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:57 pm
by Vegeta10176
MartyConlonJr wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:
Luv those Knicks wrote:
They can throw in one of their own. It could be 2 picks and 2 picks, if Phoenix decides the trade is worth 4 picks.

PHX now has 3 picks they can trade. They have no way to get a 4th.

And I wouldn't count on that 2031 pick being a lottery pick. There is a very good chance that 2029 MIN/UTH pick is worse.




I don't understand what you are talking about with 2029 Min/Utah pick being worse. The pick is the least favourable of Min/Utah/Cle. All three teams would have to be in the lottery for the pick to be a lottery pick. A lot can happen in 4 years, but Garland/Mitchell/Mobley/Allen, the core of Cleveland, and currently a 70 win projected team, will be all in their prime, in their late 20s and early 30s.


Runs always end earlier than expected could be salary issues could be bad play could be internal fighting i doubt they are all on the same team in 4 years but I also agree suns pick is going to be the better pick.. I mean its the worst of all 3.. The most likely pick to be a lottery pick out of all them is the suns pick

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:48 pm
by psundeen
Pickled Prunes wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:PHX now has 3 picks they can trade. They have no way to get a 4th.

And I wouldn't count on that 2031 pick being a lottery pick. There is a very good chance that 2029 MIN/UTH pick is worse.


I don't understand what you are talking about with 2029 Min/Utah pick being worse. The pick is the least favourable of Min/Utah/Cle. All three teams would have to be in the lottery for the pick to be a lottery pick. A lot can happen in 4 years, but Garland/Mitchell/Mobley/Allen, the core of Cleveland, and currently a 70 win projected team, will be all in their prime, in their late 20s and early 30s.

Nope, Just MIN and UTH (I think). UTH is a long ways away from being anything. MIN can never keep a star for long and PHX will probably still have Booker.


To be fair, we've only had two stars.

Re: Suns Trade Unprotected 2031 First Rounder To Jazz For Three First Round Picks

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:31 pm
by Pickled Prunes
MartyConlonJr wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:
I don't understand what you are talking about with 2029 Min/Utah pick being worse. The pick is the least favourable of Min/Utah/Cle. All three teams would have to be in the lottery for the pick to be a lottery pick. A lot can happen in 4 years, but Garland/Mitchell/Mobley/Allen, the core of Cleveland, and currently a 70 win projected team, will be all in their prime, in their late 20s and early 30s.

Nope, Just MIN and UTH (I think). UTH is a long ways away from being anything. MIN can never keep a star for long and PHX will probably still have Booker.


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Yep, you're right. I must have read too fast. :lol:

Either way, it doesn't change my point. I didn't say the PHX pick would not be a lottery pick, I just said that I would not count on it. PHX has a new owner that seems committed to spending whatever it takes to win. And teams tank every year. It is hard to imagine a team falling deep into the lottery when they are willing to spend and don't own their own pick. I would guess that the PHX 2031 pick will be no better than 10th. And their is a good chance that PHX is good in 2031. They could get a pretty big return for KD and Jimmy could recoup some of his value if he looks good in PHX. (I'm not predicting that either, but it is a realistic possibility.)

On the other hand: CLE, UTH and MIN are small market teams that have historically spent like small market teams. All three teams also have had a hard time attracting free agents. MIN is already reaping the rewards of their cost cutting KAT trade last summer. I would expect that trend to continue. If Edwards is around in 2029, he might be alone. UTH just maxed out Markkanen. I would guess that he'll be traded in 28/29 as an expiring contract. (Good player, but not a frinchise cornerstone!) CLE did not spend during Lebron's first stint, inspiring him to leave. Is there anyone on this roster you think they believe in more than young Lebron? Allen and Mobley are the only two Cavs on the books beyond 27/28. Will CLE continue to pass out max extensions to Mitchell, Garland and Mobley? How soon do they move Allen? How soon is their small backcourt exposed after moving on from the Mobley/Allen frontcourt tandem? Will they continue to pay the role players like LeVert, Strus, Wade and Niang, or will they try to complete the roster with vet min deals?

I wasn't predicting anything one way or the other, just saying that a lot can change in 4 years. But let's say that PHX pick is #10 and the three returning picks are #30, #25 and #20. I believe the three picks would have a better shot at producing a contributor. Ten years ago (2014) Wiggins was #1, Embiid #3, Randle #7, Elfrid Peyton #10, LaVine #13, Capela #25, Kyle Anderson #30, Dinwiddie #38, Jerami Grant #39, Jokic #41. If you aren't to5, it's better to have more bites at the apple.

And in the end, none of this matters to PHX. They traded one 1st for three so that they have three to trade. Now a rival GM can say they got three 1sts instead of one. It's trade cosmetics. It is unlikely that any of the four picks will produce a generational player, but both PHX and UTH accomplished what they set out to accomplish.