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Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:51 pm
by RealGM Wiretap

Josh Giddey has emerged with the Chicago Bulls recently after a slow start to the season. Giddey, who is represented by Daniel Moldovan and is 22, has a PER of 25.3 in nine games since the All-Star break compared to 15.2 in 51 games before.


"The going rate for a starting point guard in the NBA is around $30 million. He is their starter. If you look at a guy like Immanuel Quickley, he got five years and $162 million. That's about $32 million per year a year ago. I'm sure Josh Giddy is hoping for something like that. He's not quite the scorer or defender Quickly is, so maybe something a little less.


"The question is going to be if he doesn't get an offer sheet, will the Bulls play hardball and make him come back on a one-year contract, or actually reward him? Because they have extended Lonzo Ball.


"If they do see him as their point guard of the future, and that's why they traded Alex Caruso for him. I would expect them to try to invest in him."


The Bulls had a similar situation last offseason with Patrick Williams and signed him early in restricted free agency.


"I expect them to try to do something with Giddey. It has been puzzling why they kept his role narrow early on. I'm not sure that was a long-term strategy play. But I know this: I will bet on Josh Giddey and I will bet on him getting a very good contract whether he gets it this year or he has to wait another year and become an unrestricted free agent."

Via Brian Windhorst/ESPN


Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 4:05 pm
by Vegeta10176
Ok spend big on a guy that can't shoot and is a poor defender sounds like a bulls thing to do.. No offence to giddy but if he is starting your not winning anything.. I dont even know if he is worth the mid level..

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 4:23 pm
by MrGoat
If he isn't fat the Mavs could use a playmaker. With the Adelsons in charge being the kind of guy who would enjoy Diddy parties would probably be a plus too

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:35 pm
by The Servant
30m for someone who will be exploited in the yoffs isn't going to work on a top 4 seed or a contender. What is there hope?

Vintage Bulls move imo. They are a bottom 5 franchise in the league at this point which is hilarious.

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:56 pm
by HotelVitale
The Servant wrote:30m for someone who will be exploited in the yoffs isn't going to work on a top 4 seed or a contender. What is there hope?

Vintage Bulls move imo. They are a bottom 5 franchise in the league at this point which is hilarious.

Not disagreeing about Giddey but important to keep in mind that $30m means a lot less these days than it did. That’s less than 1/5th of the cap next season and like 1/7th of what most decent teams will spend in a year. Same type of money that Bruce Brown, KCP, Rozier, RJ Barrett etc make now. Kind of good 4th/5th starter money.

Also this is just one guy yapping on a podcast. Not coming from the Bulls or even an agent or whatever.

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:02 pm
by Ruma85
Vegeta10176 wrote:Ok spend big on a guy that can't shoot and is a poor defender sounds like a bulls thing to do.. No offence to giddy but if he is starting your not winning anything.. I dont even know if he is worth the mid level..


His shooting 37.8 from 3 so cannot shoot is not true.

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:03 pm
by Ruma85
MrGoat wrote:If he isn't fat the Mavs could use a playmaker. With the Adelsons in charge being the kind of guy who would enjoy Diddy parties would probably be a plus too


Are you referring to Giddey?

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:54 pm
by dubbmotta
Where will he be a good fit and who would pay him $30 Mill?

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 7:28 pm
by shrink
HotelVitale wrote:
The Servant wrote:30m for someone who will be exploited in the yoffs isn't going to work on a top 4 seed or a contender. What is there hope?

Vintage Bulls move imo. They are a bottom 5 franchise in the league at this point which is hilarious.

Not disagreeing about Giddey but important to keep in mind that $30m means a lot less these days than it did. That’s less than 1/5th of the cap next season and like 1/7th of what most decent teams will spend in a year. Same type of money that Bruce Brown, KCP, Rozier, RJ Barrett etc make now. Kind of good 4th/5th starter money.

Also this is just one guy yapping on a podcast. Not coming from the Bulls or even an agent or whatever.

Oh, I totally believe this was given to Windhorst by Giddey’s camp.

The problem with talking about “starting PG money” is that half the NBA teams have stars at the PG spot, raising the average. Giddey is no star, so they want to talk about the “position” being worth that.

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 7:42 pm
by Pickled Prunes
Vegeta10176 wrote:Ok spend big on a guy that can't shoot and is a poor defender sounds like a bulls thing to do.. No offence to giddy but if he is starting your not winning anything.. I dont even know if he is worth the mid level..

He's 22yo. His TS% is .566. (Luka's is .567!) His season averages are 14/8/7... But over the bast 10 games it is 23/10/8 with a .660 TS%! Give the young man time.

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:23 pm
by elmdawgg69
After reading this article… great trade by OKC

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 12:40 am
by Vegeta10176
Pickled Prunes wrote:
Vegeta10176 wrote:Ok spend big on a guy that can't shoot and is a poor defender sounds like a bulls thing to do.. No offence to giddy but if he is starting your not winning anything.. I dont even know if he is worth the mid level..

He's 22yo. His TS% is .566. (Luka's is .567!) His season averages are 14/8/7... But over the bast 10 games it is 23/10/8 with a .660 TS%! Give the young man time.


Comparing Luka to Giddey is like comparing a pebble to the beach.. Luka is just a vastly better player and was as soon as he came into the league.. Giddey is a liability on the court.

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 12:41 am
by TimeisIllmatic
dubbmotta wrote:Where will he be a good fit and who would pay him $30 Mill?


If the Bulls don't pay him the market will humble him.

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 12:44 am
by Vegeta10176
HotelVitale wrote:
The Servant wrote:30m for someone who will be exploited in the yoffs isn't going to work on a top 4 seed or a contender. What is there hope?

Vintage Bulls move imo. They are a bottom 5 franchise in the league at this point which is hilarious.

Not disagreeing about Giddey but important to keep in mind that $30m means a lot less these days than it did. That’s less than 1/5th of the cap next season and like 1/7th of what most decent teams will spend in a year. Same type of money that Bruce Brown, KCP, Rozier, RJ Barrett etc make now. Kind of good 4th/5th starter money.

Also this is just one guy yapping on a podcast. Not coming from the Bulls or even an agent or whatever.


1/5 of the cap is a lot on a guy who becomes unplayable in the playoffs you probably need 2 guys who will earn 4/5s and fill out the roster around them.. Thats what most contenders have.. Boston have it.. Thunder are lucky not to but let's see how that goes.. Nuggets have it.. Lakers have it.. etc

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 1:41 am
by HotelVitale
Vegeta10176 wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
The Servant wrote:30m for someone who will be exploited in the yoffs isn't going to work on a top 4 seed or a contender. What is there hope?

Vintage Bulls move imo. They are a bottom 5 franchise in the league at this point which is hilarious.

Not disagreeing about Giddey but important to keep in mind that $30m means a lot less these days than it did. That’s less than 1/5th of the cap next season and like 1/7th of what most decent teams will spend in a year. Same type of money that Bruce Brown, KCP, Rozier, RJ Barrett etc make now. Kind of good 4th/5th starter money.

Also this is just one guy yapping on a podcast. Not coming from the Bulls or even an agent or whatever.


1/5 of the cap is a lot on a guy who becomes unplayable in the playoffs you probably need 2 guys who will earn 4/5s and fill out the roster around them.. Thats what most contenders have.. Boston have it.. Thunder are lucky not to but let's see how that goes.. Nuggets have it.. Lakers have it.. etc

I’m not very high on Giddey but if you think he’s fated to be forever unplayable because he didn’t play that much in one series on one team when he was 21, you might be being a little pessimistic. It was just that Dallas series where he was a bad fit, plus OKC didn’t really need what he brings best because they have SGA and J Dub to do all the perimeter initiating. And yeah he was 21.

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 2:16 am
by Pickled Prunes
Vegeta10176 wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:
Vegeta10176 wrote:Ok spend big on a guy that can't shoot and is a poor defender sounds like a bulls thing to do.. No offence to giddy but if he is starting your not winning anything.. I dont even know if he is worth the mid level..

He's 22yo. His TS% is .566. (Luka's is .567!) His season averages are 14/8/7... But over the bast 10 games it is 23/10/8 with a .660 TS%! Give the young man time.


Comparing Luka to Giddey is like comparing a pebble to the beach.. Luka is just a vastly better player and was as soon as he came into the league.. Giddey is a liability on the court.

Well, I wasn't exactly compairing Luka And Giddy. You said Giddy can't shoot. I looked up his TS% and he was right next to Luka. Was I not supposed to point that out? :lol:

And Luka came into the NBA with years of professional experience. That is not the normal developmental path. I think Giddy will figure it out. (Not at Luka's level, obviously!)

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:29 am
by Jabroni Lames
Quickley is a terrible salary comparison for Giddey or any PG. Quickley is really just a 6th man that Toronto hugely overpaid because nobody wants to play there.

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:16 am
by donemilio21
at the current state of NBA players who expect above MLE have their choices very limited as free agents since there are very few teams with cap space every year.
Josh Giddey wants $20M ? his options are Bulls, Nets, Pistons, Pelicans and maybe Rockets.
He wants $30M and Bulls doesn't give it to him ? His only option: Nets.

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:10 am
by LuDux1
Starting guard will get paid like starting guard? What sorcery is this?

Re: Josh Giddey Likely To Sign For Starting Point Guard Market Rate

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:53 am
by ecuhus1981
HotelVitale wrote:
The Servant wrote:30m for someone who will be exploited in the yoffs isn't going to work on a top 4 seed or a contender. What is there hope?

Vintage Bulls move imo. They are a bottom 5 franchise in the league at this point which is hilarious.

Not disagreeing about Giddey but important to keep in mind that $30m means a lot less these days than it did. That’s less than 1/5th of the cap next season and like 1/7th of what most decent teams will spend in a year. Same type of money that Bruce Brown, KCP, Rozier, RJ Barrett etc make now. Kind of good 4th/5th starter money.

Also this is just one guy yapping on a podcast. Not coming from the Bulls or even an agent or whatever.

Good context, thank you. Folks get caught up in the raw dollar amount, when the percentage of the cap is a better indicator of the value of the contract.

This summer will be an interesting offseason. Josh brings many things that the typical Quickley-mold of PG can't: size, switchability, playmaking and rebounding. His weaknesses (shooting) have been muted since the ASB; has he addressed those deficiencies or is this a contract year blip???

Chicago has a clean-ish cap, so they can afford to keep him. But at what AAV salary level do they blink?