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Paul George has been ruled out by the Philadelphia 76ers for the remainder of the season after receiving injections in his left adductor muscle and left knee on Monday.

George spent the past week meeting with doctors to determine the best treatment plan. George took painkilling injections for five consecutive games before the NBA All-Star break in February. During the preseason, George sustained a hyperextension of his left knee that forced him to sit out the first five games of the regular season. He hyperextended the same knee in November, which cost him three games.

George is in Year 1 of a four-year, $212 million deal with the Sixers.

Via Shams Charania/ESPN

RealGM Wiretap wrote:George is in Year 1 of a four-year, $212 million deal with the Sixers.

George is in Year 1 of a four-year, $212 million mistake.

Pickled Prunes wrote:

RealGM Wiretap wrote:George is in Year 1 of a four-year, $212 million deal with the Sixers.

George is in Year 1 of a four-year, $212 million mistake.

Just when you thought a contract worse then Zach Lavignes couldn’t exist…

Poverty P? Pandemic P?

MrGoat wrote:Poverty P? Pandemic P?

Pestilence P

Thechicagorilla wrote:

Pickled Prunes wrote:

RealGM Wiretap wrote:George is in Year 1 of a four-year, $212 million deal with the Sixers.

George is in Year 1 of a four-year, $212 million mistake.

Just when you thought a contract worse then Zach Lavignes couldn’t exist…

Paul George is better than Zach if.he can get healthy then he will be fine.. If he cant well the contract is trash then.. If Embiid cant get healthy then they are cooked anyway a healthy PG and Tyrese might be able to hit the second rd..

Vegeta10176 wrote:

Thechicagorilla wrote:

Pickled Prunes wrote:George is in Year 1 of a four-year, $212 million mistake.

Just when you thought a contract worse then Zach Lavignes couldn’t exist…

Paul George is better than Zach if.he can get healthy then he will be fine.. If he cant well the contract is trash then.. If Embiid cant get healthy then they are cooked anyway a healthy PG and Tyrese might be able to hit the second rd..

Of course George was better

But he is 35 years old and has an extra contract year on LaVine, who just turned 30 in March

I expected this to look worse than it is -- lots of great seasons from 35-37


Mailman: No one healthier: just 2 games missed total. 1 MVP, 1 Finals trip.
JKidd: 5 games missed in 3 seasons. 1 AS appearance + 1 ring.
Parish: 6 games missed in 3 seasons. Avg'd 16-11, multiple AS appearances + All NBA. Playoffs every season.
Vince: 7 games missed in 3 seasons. Only 43 starts and <25 mpg shooting 41% off the bench
Kareem 8 games missed in 3 seasons. Avg'd 22-8. AS + 1st or 2nd team All NBA every year + top-5-10 MVP voting. Won FMVP at 37.
Dirk: 12 games missed in 3 years. Made 1 all star game at 35. Lost in the 1st round all 3 years.
Nash: 12 games missed in 3 years. 2 ASG, 2 top-10 MVP, 1 Conf Finals.
Reggie: 16 games missed in 3 years. 16 ppg on high minutes and good shooting. 0 ASG + lost in the 1st round every year
Stockton: 18 games missed due to 1 knee injury -- only missed games of his entire 1500+ game career
Willis: 28 games missed in 3 seasons. Bench player averaging 12 and 8 on <30 mpg
Duncan: 29 games missed in 3 seasons. 1 ASG, 2 Finals trips, 1 ring (Leonard FMVP over Miami)
KG: 48 games missed in 3 seasons. Avg'd 13-8 shooting under 50% and playing <30 mpg. 1 ASG and 1 conf finals appearance.
Lebron: 59 games missed in 3 seasons - played in 168 games, won the bubble ring, and FMVP at 35
Moses: 71 games missed during age 37 season. Bench player avg'ing 12 pts 8 rebs in just 25 mpg
Kobe: 138 games missed in 3 seasons -- averaged just 36 games played. Never made the playoffs once.

puja21 wrote:

Vegeta10176 wrote:

Thechicagorilla wrote:
Just when you thought a contract worse then Zach Lavignes couldn’t exist…

Paul George is better than Zach if.he can get healthy then he will be fine.. If he cant well the contract is trash then.. If Embiid cant get healthy then they are cooked anyway a healthy PG and Tyrese might be able to hit the second rd..

Of course George was better

But he is 35 years old and has an extra contract year on LaVine, who just turned 30 in March

I expected this to look worse than it is -- lots of great seasons from 35-37


Mailman: No one healthier: just 2 games missed total. 1 MVP, 1 Finals trip.
JKidd: 5 games missed in 3 seasons. 1 AS appearance + 1 ring.
Parish: 6 games missed in 3 seasons. Avg'd 16-11, multiple AS appearances + All NBA. Playoffs every season.
Vince: 7 games missed in 3 seasons. Only 43 starts and <25 mpg shooting 41% off the bench
Kareem 8 games missed in 3 seasons. Avg'd 22-8. AS + 1st or 2nd team All NBA every year + top-5-10 MVP voting. Won FMVP at 37.
Dirk: 12 games missed in 3 years. Made 1 all star game at 35. Lost in the 1st round all 3 years.
Nash: 12 games missed in 3 years. 2 ASG, 2 top-10 MVP, 1 Conf Finals.
Reggie: 16 games missed in 3 years. 16 ppg on high minutes and good shooting. 0 ASG + lost in the 1st round every year
Stockton: 18 games missed due to 1 knee injury -- only missed games of his entire 1500+ game career
Willis: 28 games missed in 3 seasons. Bench player averaging 12 and 8 on <30 mpg
Duncan: 29 games missed in 3 seasons. 1 ASG, 2 Finals trips, 1 ring (Leonard FMVP over Miami)
KG: 48 games missed in 3 seasons. Avg'd 13-8 shooting under 50% and playing <30 mpg. 1 ASG and 1 conf finals appearance.
Lebron: 59 games missed in 3 seasons - played in 168 games, won the bubble ring, and FMVP at 35
Moses: 71 games missed during age 37 season. Bench player avg'ing 12 pts 8 rebs in just 25 mpg
Kobe: 138 games missed in 3 seasons -- averaged just 36 games played. Never made the playoffs once.

Puja bringing the research!

How many of those players were on a max deal? Lebron, Kobe and maybe Dirk? (Most took old man discounts.)

You mentioned KD shooting under 50% when PG has never shot over 50%. It seems like a strange stat to bring up.
KG's last season was .470%.
PG's best season was .471%.
KG's worst season was .441%
PG's career average is .440%

More importantly, in his last season (15/16) KG had a DRtg of 102.0. (His worst since 1998/99!) PG hasn't has a DRtg that good since he was 26. PG was brought in to be the 3rd option on offense and the 1st option on perimeter defense. It is very unlikely he will be capable of that task.

PG has decent offensive game, so he will hold some value on that end of the floor. But even at the height of his powers he wasn't a max-level offensive force. (Melo, T-Mac, etc.) His value was in his two way ability, good offensively and great defensively. Defensively, he is a lot like Trevor Ariza. As soon as Ariza lost a step it became clear that he wasn't worth his contract. PG lost that step a few years ago. Maybe not coincidentally, Ariza gave the brief impression of having offensive upside while playing with Harden in HOU. PG had the best shooting season of his career last year, with Harden setting him up. (Harden, Jokic & Nash... getting players overpaid since 1996!)

Pickled Prunes wrote:You mentioned KD shooting under 50% when PG has never shot over 50%. It seems like a strange stat to bring up.
KG's last season was .470%.
PG's best season was .471%.
KG's worst season was .441%
PG's career average is .440%

I brought it up in comparison to KG's own career (not comparing to PG) -- to serve as an example that KG was in pretty steep decline at 35-37, not achieving the output of prime (different than Malone winning MVP or Lebron/Kareem winning FMVP)

Vegeta10176 wrote:if.he can get healthy then he will be fine.

Spoiler, there is about a 95% chance that he can't. He has one season of 60+ GP since 2019 and he's in his mid-30s, with recurring knee injuries. He's had on and off leg issues since 2017. He isn't suddenly going to get healthier as he ages and logs more miles.

puja21 wrote:

Pickled Prunes wrote:You mentioned KD shooting under 50% when PG has never shot over 50%. It seems like a strange stat to bring up.
KG's last season was .470%.
PG's best season was .471%.
KG's worst season was .441%
PG's career average is .440%

I brought it up in comparison to KG's own career (not comparing to PG) -- to serve as an example that KG was in pretty steep decline at 35-37, not achieving the output of prime (different than Malone winning MVP or Lebron/Kareem winning FMVP)

I hear you, but I would put most of that on situation rather than age. KG went to BRK and his numbers dropped off; he left BRK and they snapped back. Situation matters... and PG is in a bad situation.

Pickled Prunes wrote:

puja21 wrote:

Pickled Prunes wrote:You mentioned KD shooting under 50% when PG has never shot over 50%. It seems like a strange stat to bring up.
KG's last season was .470%.
PG's best season was .471%.
KG's worst season was .441%
PG's career average is .440%

I brought it up in comparison to KG's own career (not comparing to PG) -- to serve as an example that KG was in pretty steep decline at 35-37, not achieving the output of prime (different than Malone winning MVP or Lebron/Kareem winning FMVP)

I hear you, but I would put most of that on situation rather than age. KG went to BRK and his numbers dropped off; he left BRK and they snapped back. Situation matters... and PG is in a bad situation.

He was playing 15 mins and averaging 3.7 ppg and just 1.7 FTA per 36 mins in his return to Minnesota

This is a guy whose career was 19 ppg and between 4 and 5 FTA per 36 mins

I assure you he was still in steep decline both in Brooklyn and after Brooklyn

Basically was a player-coach for KAT, Lavine, and Wiggins by the end.

puja21 wrote:

Pickled Prunes wrote:

puja21 wrote:

I brought it up in comparison to KG's own career (not comparing to PG) -- to serve as an example that KG was in pretty steep decline at 35-37, not achieving the output of prime (different than Malone winning MVP or Lebron/Kareem winning FMVP)

I hear you, but I would put most of that on situation rather than age. KG went to BRK and his numbers dropped off; he left BRK and they snapped back. Situation matters... and PG is in a bad situation.

He was playing 15 mins and averaging 3.7 ppg and just 1.7 FTA per 36 mins in his return to Minnesota

This is a guy whose career was 19 ppg and between 4 and 5 FTA per 36 mins

I assure you he was still in steep decline both in Brooklyn and after Brooklyn

Basically was a player-coach for KAT, Lavine, and Wiggins by the end.

Yes, serious decline. That was seasons #19-21. i was just speaking to his FG%, which had more to do with situation than decline... and was still better than PG, which was why I thought it was a strange stat to highlight. The stats that are better evidence of his decline than his FG% are MPG, and then after that the Per36 stats. His Per36 stats were fine 12/12/3. He was never a score first player. And his STL were above his career numbers. But his BLK were way down and PF way up.

KG still had his game but he was old and tired, but even in those last three seasons he had the best DRtg on his teams. My concern for PG is that he also looks old and tired, his deal just started, and PHI is paying him too much to limit him to 20 MPG. PG's DRtg is good but not KG/elite and his ORtg is 2nd worst behind Reggie Jackson.

Pickled Prunes wrote:

puja21 wrote:

Pickled Prunes wrote:I hear you, but I would put most of that on situation rather than age. KG went to BRK and his numbers dropped off; he left BRK and they snapped back. Situation matters... and PG is in a bad situation.

He was playing 15 mins and averaging 3.7 ppg and just 1.7 FTA per 36 mins in his return to Minnesota

This is a guy whose career was 19 ppg and between 4 and 5 FTA per 36 mins

I assure you he was still in steep decline both in Brooklyn and after Brooklyn

Basically was a player-coach for KAT, Lavine, and Wiggins by the end.

Yes, serious decline. That was seasons #19-21. i was just speaking to his FG%, which had more to do with situation than decline... and was still better than PG, which was why I thought it was a strange stat to highlight. The stats that are better evidence of his decline than his FG% are MPG, and then after that the Per36 stats. His Per36 stats were fine 12/12/3. He was never a score first player. And his STL were above his career numbers. But his BLK were way down and PF way up.

KG still had his game but he was old and tired, but even in those last three seasons he had the best DRtg on his teams. My concern for PG is that he also looks old and tired, his deal just started, and PHI is paying him too much to limit him to 20 MPG. PG's DRtg is good but not KG/elite and his ORtg is 2nd worst behind Reggie Jackson.

my concern would just be availability

He's missed more than 1 in 3 regular season games (158 of 462) dating back to the Bubble season & significant missed playoffs (and playoff flops).

Last year (contract year) was his only healthy season in six most recent.

Versus in 8 of his 1st 9 seasons he missed 3 games on average (season 5 he had the FIBA tibia snap).

It's very rare to get "healthier" at 35-37