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Payton Pritchard Named NBA Sixth Man Of The Year

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:26 pm
by RealGM Wiretap

Payton Pritchard has been named the 24-25 NBA Sixth Man of the Year. Pritchard received 82 of 100 first place votes and 454 points ahead of Malik Beasley in second and Ty Jerome in first.


Pritchard averaged a career-high 14.3 points and led the NBA in points off the bench with 1,079 for the Boston Celtics. He set an NBA single-season record for three-pointers made off the bench with 246.


Pritchard was the 26th overall pick out of Oregon in the 2020 NBA draft. Pritchard signed a four-year, $30 million contract extension with the Celtics in 2023.

Via RealGM Staff Report


Re: Payton Pritchard Named NBA Sixth Man Of The Year

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 2:31 am
by MrGoat
Should've been Beasley

Re: Payton Pritchard Named NBA Sixth Man Of The Year

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 5:44 am
by OogaBooga
MrGoat wrote:Should've been Beasley

Pritchard is nasty

Re: Payton Pritchard Named NBA Sixth Man Of The Year

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 5:56 am
by MrGoat
OogaBooga wrote:
MrGoat wrote:Should've been Beasley

Pritchard is nasty

I'm not saying he isn't, Pritchard's been good. But team record is coming too strongly into play here. Beasley has had an outrageous season that is a big part of why the Pistons went from bottom of the league into beyond play in team. Beasley not only played in all 82 of the Pistons games and not only set a career high in 3 point attempts but set a career high in percentage too with less help. Detroit would still be in the lottery without him

Re: Payton Pritchard Named NBA Sixth Man Of The Year

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 6:21 am
by DoItALL9
MrGoat wrote:
OogaBooga wrote:
MrGoat wrote:Should've been Beasley

Pritchard is nasty

I'm not saying he isn't, Pritchard's been good. But team record is coming too strongly into play here. Beasley has had an outrageous season that is a big part of why the Pistons went from bottom of the league into beyond play in team. Beasley not only played in all 82 of the Pistons games and not only set a career high in 3 point attempts but set a career high in percentage too with less help. Detroit would still be in the lottery without him
Well said,

"He set an NBA single-season record for three-pointers made off the bench with 246."

I thought Beasley would've set the record this year. Am i missing a nuance in this stat?

Re: Payton Pritchard Named NBA Sixth Man Of The Year

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:13 am
by Ticket
DoItALL9 wrote:
MrGoat wrote:
OogaBooga wrote:Pritchard is nasty

I'm not saying he isn't, Pritchard's been good. But team record is coming too strongly into play here. Beasley has had an outrageous season that is a big part of why the Pistons went from bottom of the league into beyond play in team. Beasley not only played in all 82 of the Pistons games and not only set a career high in 3 point attempts but set a career high in percentage too with less help. Detroit would still be in the lottery without him
Well said,

"He set an NBA single-season record for three-pointers made off the bench with 246."

I thought Beasley would've set the record this year. Am i missing a nuance in this stat?


Beasley started 18 games, so I guess they deducted these threes.

Re: Payton Pritchard Named NBA Sixth Man Of The Year

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 9:29 am
by Vegeta10176
MrGoat wrote:
OogaBooga wrote:
MrGoat wrote:Should've been Beasley

Pritchard is nasty

I'm not saying he isn't, Pritchard's been good. But team record is coming too strongly into play here. Beasley has had an outrageous season that is a big part of why the Pistons went from bottom of the league into beyond play in team. Beasley not only played in all 82 of the Pistons games and not only set a career high in 3 point attempts but set a career high in percentage too with less help. Detroit would still be in the lottery without him


Come on dude Tobias Harris helped to they added veteran players

Re: Payton Pritchard Named NBA Sixth Man Of The Year

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 2:48 pm
by The Hypnotoad
Another Boston player rewarded from its biased homer media. Now they’ll be able to trade him for someone awesome and he’ll flounder. Just like Marcus Smart (DPOY) and Malcolm Brogdan (6OTY).

Re: Payton Pritchard Named NBA Sixth Man Of The Year

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 5:06 pm
by puja21
MrGoat wrote:team record is coming too strongly into play here.


MrGoat wrote:Beasley has had an outrageous season that is a big part of why the Pistons went from bottom of the league into beyond play in team.


Isn't this the same logic?

You just personally value Beasley's contributions more than PP

Re: Payton Pritchard Named NBA Sixth Man Of The Year

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 5:16 pm
by puja21
The Hypnotoad wrote:Another Boston player rewarded from its biased homer media. Now they’ll be able to trade him for someone awesome and he’ll flounder. Just like Marcus Smart (DPOY) and Malcolm Brogdan (6OTY).


In Oct 2023 the overwhelming criticism of Pritchard's contract was that it was a massive overpay and Boston would regret it

Fast forward 2 full seasons

He has a ring where he averaged 38% 3PT shooting in 20 mpg

He missed just 2 of 164 regular season games

He has hit >400 3PM in 25 mpg, shooting splits of .470/.399/.836

Ast-TOV ratio is 3.9-1

Offensive rating is an insane 130

There is significant overlap in the groups saying all these things:
"Ainge wasn't that good"
"Ainge rips everyone off" (ergo good?)
"Stevens not great"
"Tatum/Brown aren't elite"
"other role players are overrated" (Smart, Brogdon, Pritch in this case)


And yet here we are 11 straight years in the postseason and last 17 of 18.

9 conference finals, 4 finals, 2 titles all in the last 17 (postseason #18 is still ongoing)

And this year would make 7 of the last 9 ECF appearances

Most wins (20+ more wins than #2) over any other franchise in that 9 year span.

At what point is it OK to acknowledge "something" (anything) about the Boston Celtics franchise is properly rated as "very good" ?

Re: Payton Pritchard Named NBA Sixth Man Of The Year

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 7:49 pm
by MrGoat
puja21 wrote:
MrGoat wrote:team record is coming too strongly into play here.


MrGoat wrote:Beasley has had an outrageous season that is a big part of why the Pistons went from bottom of the league into beyond play in team.


Isn't this the same logic?

You just personally value Beasley's contributions more than PP


No, it isn't. Pritchard didn't elevate his team, he was already on a great team and is cashing in on having good teammates who make his job easier. Beasley is scoring more points and hitting a better percentage from deep on higher volume, his impact is just bigger

Re: Payton Pritchard Named NBA Sixth Man Of The Year

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 9:19 pm
by puja21
MrGoat wrote:
puja21 wrote:
MrGoat wrote:team record is coming too strongly into play here.


MrGoat wrote:Beasley has had an outrageous season that is a big part of why the Pistons went from bottom of the league into beyond play in team.


Isn't this the same logic?

You just personally value Beasley's contributions more than PP


No, it isn't. Pritchard didn't elevate his team, he was already on a great team and is cashing in on having good teammates who make his job easier. Beasley is scoring more points and hitting a better percentage from deep on higher volume, his impact is just bigger


Correction: Beasley scored LESS points in the 6th man role. Beasley started 22% of his games -- none of those numbers are counted in his 6th man criteria. This is why Pritchard set the record for 3s made off the bench and not Beasley (bc 79 of Beasley's 3s came as a starter they don't count).

Beasley had a lower PER (14.4 to PP's 17.6)
Beasley had a WAY worse offensive rating (116 to a historic 130 for PP)
Beasley shot worse TS% (.590 to .633)
Beasley had a far worse AST-TOV ratio (1.7 vs almost 4 for PP) while doing less as a stand-and-shoot guy vs. Pritchard running as a point guard.

I would listen to a case for Ty Jerome (another PG doing more than Beasley was asked to do).

Also agree could be argued Detroit's *need* for Beasley was more important than what PP was bringing -- they needed a stand around and hit open shots guy with Cade/Ivey etc... more than they needed PP

But you can't (rationally) argue Beasley was *doing* more. He was less versatile and he was worse at the things they were both doing
e.g.
Beasley took more 2PA and hit a much worse percentage at .466 vs .642 (was worse both at assisted and unassisted 2PAs)

RE: "cashing in on good teammates who make his job easier" -- it *feels* right because of Tatum and Brown (starters though)... In reality though, easy shots living off teammates was Beasley's situation and the data proves it out.

Assisted by teammates:
2PM = Pritchard only .247 vs Beasley .634
3PM = Pritchard .804 vs Beasley .937

Attempt rate of open corner 3s
Pritchard only hit 15.7% of his 3s from the corner off a swing swing... versus was Beasley 20.9%

Pritchard was also more efficient at every single shot type *except* the "left" (not even the right) corner 3:
Shooting Splits
Restricted area, Pritchard 73.5% to 57.4%
Paint Non-RA, PP 56% to 36%
Mid-Range, PP 48.9% to 41%
Left Corner 3, PP 39.5% to 52.2% <-- Beasley's only win
Right Corner 3, PP 49.2% to 47.5%
Above the Break 3, PP 40.9% to 39.8%

Biggest of all Beasley was only a 6th man in <80% of games

It was Pritchard's to lose but really Jerome the only valid #2 despite the media vote.