CaHgO wrote:Phantom1974 wrote:CaHgO wrote:
And both won absolutely nothing. Not counting Dwight's ring as a 7th/8th man rotational piece in the bubble.
The HOF would be fairly empty if it only had championship winners in it. No Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Iverson etc just off the top of my head.
Malone and (especially) Stockton are the two most overrated players of all time. Played 15+ years together, with a stacked team, in a conference not including MJ and all they have to show for it is 1 CF and 1 final.
Iverson and Barkley are similar to Melo - empty stats and not much else. At least Barkley had a pretty good all-round game. Iverson was scoring and dribbling - in today's NBA he would be the equivalent of Zach Lavine, or Donovan Mitchel at best. None of those two are even All Stars, at least not consistently.
Yes, eras and context matters, but still. And yes, there are many HoFers who, imo, don't deserve to be there, but that's just my opinion. For me, the HoF should be reserved for the absolute elite. And if there is a year/class where no one covers those criteria, then there should be no inductions. However, as everything else, the league has commercialized the HoF as well, turning it into an annual show nobody cares about, just like the AS game.
Dude, you're embarrassing yourself.
If you don't understand these guys were good, that's on you. It really doesn't matter if you like them or how many titles they have. This is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Won-a-lot or Hall of Have-to-like-em. Robert Horry has 7 rings (SEVEN!) and Basketball Reference had his HoF probability at 3.4%. Seems spot on.
Melo won a title at Syracuse and was voted the NCAA Tournament's Most Outstanding Player. He won three gold medals. He was a 10x all-star. He lead the NBA in points in 2012-13 and is 10th in career NBA points at 28,289. Basketball Reference had his HoF probability at 98.42%.
Dwight is an NBA Champion. He won Defensive Player of the Year three times. He was selected All-NBA 1st five times and All-NBA Defensive 1st four times. He's an 8x All-Star and a Gold Medalist. He lead the NBA in total rebounds in six seasons and is 10th in career rebounds. He lead the NBA in blocks in two seasons and is 13th in career NBA blocks. Basketball Reference had his HoF probability at 99.73%.
And on Stockton and Malone....
They each played 19 seasons (18 together) and neither ever missed the playoffs. They made the Finals
TWICE, with rosters that were anything but stacked. (You talking about Greg Ostertag, Shandon Anderson, Chris Morris, Antoine Carr, Greg Foster, Bryon Russell, etc?
) Jeff Hornacek was their third best player and was the only other player on those rosters that ever played in a single all-star game, and he played in exactly one... while he was with PHX, five seasons before their first finals run. And yes, the Jazz had to face an
actually stacked Jordan/Bulls team in the Finals. The Bulls deprived a lot of players from getting their rings.
In 1996/97 the Jazz payroll was $25m. The Bulls payroll was $58m. (ORL was 2nd in payroll at $40m)
In 1997/98 the Jazz payroll was $28m. The Bulls payroll was $61m. (NYK were 2nd in payroll at $54m)
I'm not even a Jazz fan, but sometimes people speak so boldly about things they know nothing about that I feel compelled to step up!
