The Clowney Conundrum For The NBA

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The Clowney Conundrum For The NBA 

Post#1 » by RealGM Articles » Fri May 9, 2014 7:11 pm

If a player like Jadaveon Clowney was in the NBA draft, there is little chance he would go No. 1 overall. To be sure, if he played basketball, Clowney wouldn't have to spend three years in school before being eligible for the draft, but as a rule, an NBA team would not spend a high pick on a player whose college production was trending in the wrong direction. When it comes to evaluating prospects, NFL teams don't seem to be as much in the thrall of individual statistics.


After a dominant sophomore campaign that saw him gracing the cover of every magazine in the country, Clowney’s had a disappointing final season at South Carolina. He went from 54 tackles and 13 sacks in 2012 to 40 tackles and only 3 sacks in 2013. Nevertheless, taking him No. 1 was the logical move - at 6'5 270 with a 37’ vertical and a 4.53 40, he is as physically gifted as any defensive lineman to come into the NFL in a long time. Clowney was picked on tools, not stats.


After all, there was only so much he could do at South Carolina. If the other teams in the SEC were going to double and triple team him and run the ball to the other side of the formation, Clowney was doing his job, even if the stats didn't always show it. Football is a team game and no college player, no matter how physically dominant, can carry his team to victory by himself. The statistics he compiles, meanwhile, are somewhat constrained by his role on the team.


An individual player can have more of an impact in a basketball game, but their success still depends on the other four players in the starting line-up, their coach and their bench. No college freshman or sophomore, no matter how skilled or athletically gifted, can carry a team anywhere. Kevin Durant lost in the second round of the NCAA Tournament. Just as important, the statistics they put up will depend on the composition of the roster and how other teams choose to defend them.


Young basketball players aren’t statistical generating machines who will invariably find their way to the number of points, rebounds and assists that reflect their talent level. Too often, when a player’s stats don’t improve as much as we would like from season to season, the first thought is that something is wrong with them. Maybe they lack the will to win or the motivation to be a great pro, but it’s just as likely some outside factor stalled their development.


Terrence Jones, who slipped to the No. 17 pick in 2012, is a good example of the problem with that approach.


As a freshman, he was the best player on a Kentucky team that made the Final Four. So when he came back for his sophomore season, passing up a chance to be a lottery pick, he was expected to contend for the Wooden Award. Instead, his points, rebounds and assists dipped and the whispers started. Did he have attitude problems? Was he too inconsistent?


The reality was that after Anthony Davis and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist joined the team, so there was no way Jones' stats were going to trend upward. His role on the team changed from the primary option to a secondary option while the number of available rebounds went down in the Wildcats frontcourt. So while Jones thrived as a role player on a team that won the national title, but saw his draft stock plummet. In effect, he was punished for having better teammates.


To understand what’s going on with college prospects, you have to look beyond their season-by-season numbers. When you are scouting a player, you have to scout their teammates and their coaching staff as much as you scout them. If you don’t, you aren’t going to see the full picture of their career. Even if a player improves from season to season, he can see his statistics plateau, if not plummet, because of reasons mostly out of his control.


There’s no better example of that in this year’s draft than Marcus Smart, whose statistical profile didn’t change much between his freshman and sophomore seasons. A lot went down at Oklahoma State this season and Smart only had so much to do with it. Markel Brown and LeBryan Nash took on bigger roles in the offense, while an injury to Michael Cobbins decimated their frontcourt and revealed the lack of depth in Travis Ford’s program. Their lack of success wasn’t his fault.


Just because Smart's points, rebounds and assists stayed the same doesn't mean he didn't improve as a player. He had to share the ball more this season while the chaos in Stillwater meant there was little chance his statistics were going to improve. OSU was lucky to make the NCAA Tournament and that's with three potential NBA players on their roster - their problem was their coach’s inability to develop an 8-man rotation and the lack of structure in his offense.


Smart is not Jadaveon Clowney and he may not be Terrence Jones, but he's still the same player who was projected to go in the Top 5 after his freshman season. The perception of a player can change from year to year even though they are exactly the same prospect. When NFL teams are evaluating prospects, the first thing they look at are their measurables - size, speed and skill-set. Measurables matter just as much for young players entering the NBA.


One of the most common knocks in the NFL draft is a prospect is a "system player", a guy whose production had more to do with his team than his skill-set. It happens in the NBA just as often - see Thomas Robinson at Kansas, but people have a harder time looking past the gaudy numbers come draft time. When you are evaluating guys for the next level, you have to put everything in context. No young player is an island, not in football and not in basketball either.

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Re: The Clowney Conundrum For The NBA 

Post#2 » by DEEP3CL » Sun May 11, 2014 1:10 am

I never judge a player on his college stats, for one the college game is so restrictive on the best athletes because they're being asked to support a team effort. While in the pros an elite athletes talents may put his team over the top for one night. Smart will be an exceptional NBA player because he has the heart to compete every game.
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Post#3 » by P.C. » Sun May 11, 2014 9:19 am

I'm very much confused by this article?

Who are the people you referring to who rely on stats too much without looking at context? Fans? I'll accept that. GMs? No way.

Terrence Jones was picked at 17 because he was an undersized power forward with limited stretch abilities. 6'9"/7'2" players can't consistently score out of the post in the NBA or guard the rim. Jones was not an elite athlete to compensate for his relative lack of size and couldn't put the ball on the court and shoot from range. Now he's overcome his lack length and looks like he's going to have a fruitful NBA career, but if anything, he was probably selected at or a little too high for where his game was at.

Thomas Robinson was not a system player. He was a dominant back to the basket big who muscled his smaller competition in the paint. He was like Terrence Jones undersized for the position 6'9/7'1" (he had funky combine measurements) but was like many, many undersized traditional-playing power forwards, unable to make the transition to the NBA.

Robinson was picked where he was because two franchises (Sacramento and Cleveland) haven't figured out the importance of length when selecting power forwards. It has nothing to do with how many points and rebounds he put up in the broader scheme of things.
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Post#4 » by WestEndZone » Sun May 11, 2014 8:47 pm

and what about Euro players?
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Post#5 » by Donnyxc » Mon May 12, 2014 3:17 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:Smart will be an exceptional NBA player because he has the heart to compete every game.


True, you can't teach this. I worry about if his inability to control his emotions will lead to limited minutes or team-chemistry issues. We'll see, he's still a young guy and has room to learn.
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Post#6 » by Rated T By CBRA » Mon May 12, 2014 7:40 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:I never judge a player on his college stats, for one the college game is so restrictive on the best athletes because they're being asked to support a team effort. While in the pros an elite athletes talents may put his team over the top for one night. Smart will be an exceptional NBA player because he has the heart to compete every game.

Unless the player is LeBron, MJ or Kobe level it is hard to justify putting "individual" efforts over team efforts if a team is to be successful. It is kind of Cousins/Gay scenario right now in Sacramento - both rely on "individual" performances to be successful, yet their team is nowhere near competitive. Regardless if they get their 20/10, team still loses.

Yes Smart may be a great NBA player stat wise, but as a contender there needs to be a fit of sorts. Chucker of shots, assister, a brute for contact, rebounder, defensive specialist, etc.

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