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Post#1 » by RealGM Articles » Tue Jul 5, 2016 8:58 pm

We are all enlightened here. Or at least those of us who aren’t can be easily ignored. We know that jerks and troglodytes took Kevin Durant’s Golden State switch entirely the wrong way. We can know without even bothering to confirm it that jerseys were burned and epithets used and that you can find in some bitter corner of Oklahoma bars men and women biblically, childishly caterwauling away, saying stuff that’s unfair to Durant and speaks to an ugly sense of ownership they feel over a stranger who is, in the end, just making a decision to work at one company over another. There is all that, and we don’t need to dwell on it if we don’t choose to. That some of us do is a cheap and self-serving bit of juxtaposition: pointing out idiots for the purpose of designating ourselves superior.


Anyway, we can put that to one side; we are all enlightened here. We know unrestricted free agency has been on the NBA’s books since 1988 and that Durant is empowered do whatever he wants in terms of choosing his workplace. We understand the athlete is a laborer and we should, at least on an abstract level, keep his interests in mind because it would be hypocritical not to. We can discern the strange and gross paternalism in arguments that players should stay with a franchise out of loyalty rather than leaving in search of their own happiness. We appreciate Kevin Durant’s talent but make an effort not to conceive of him solely as a collection of skills. We acknowledge his humanity. He is, like all of us, doing what he thinks is best.


We can do all this and still dislike Durant singlehandedly dismantling the Warriors’ strongest Western Conference rival while transforming the Dubs from a juggernaut into something we barely have the superlatives to describe. This move isn’t unprecedented. The 2008 Celtics were a sudden confluence of stars. LeBron James has been part of two Big Threes in Miami and Cleveland. Chris Paul ditched New Orleans to join Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. The Dwight Howard and Steve Nash Lakers experiment flopped, but they were angling for superteam status. Nearly every summer, one star or another either joins a title contender or turns an already pretty good squad into one.


The implications of Durant’s decision are an order of magnitude more severe than that. There are only insufficient analogies available, in the context of the modern NBA: this is like the 2012 Heat adding Carmelo Anthony or the 2001 Lakers replacing Derek Fisher with Jason Kidd. It is like that, sort of, but the Warriors won 73 games last season, were a Kyrie Irving three-pointer away from repeating as champs, and Kevin Durant is the second-best forward of his generation. This is overkill we don’t see outside of the national defense budget.


And for that reason, it’s not odd to be disappointed in Durant and deflated by what his Oklahoma City exit means for the rest of the league. It’ll be interesting to see what aesthetic heights a Durant-reinforced Warriors team can reach. For those of us who know the Showtime Lakers and Bird’s Celtics only through YouTube clips, this is an opportunity to witness that stratospheric level of basketball in real time, but where those two squads played off each other, the Warriors don’t have a suitable foe. The Spurs and Cavs would have to merge. Barring injury, the 2017 title is a foregone conclusion.


There is an ongoing conversation we have, over in the European soccer-watching world, about the balance between quality and competitive balance. The EPL and La Liga and Serie A aren’t like American sports leagues in that they have a clearly delineated hierarchy. There are a handful of obscenely rich clubs that have nearly all the best players and win nearly everything, an upper-middle class that occasionally compete with the mega-rich but usually don’t, and a large number of relatively impoverished clubs who have existed for a century-plus without a trophy.


What this system lacks in parity it makes up for in class. If La Liga had a salary cap, Celta Vigo and Rayo Vallecano would have an outside shot at a title, but Barcelona and Real Madrid wouldn’t play such mind-expandingly great soccer, nor would the Champions League, where Barça and Madrid meet Bayern Munich and Juventus, be as staggeringly well-played as it is. Some of us are more comfortable with this arrangement than others, and it’s a source of pain for anyone who doesn’t root for one of the continent’s titans, but you either learn to live with it or decide the sport isn’t for you.


The sour byproduct of the plutocratic European system—a smattering of leviathans, and then everyone else—is that a wretched culture of entitlement develops around its historic powers. When you’re expected to win all the time, in every competition, anything less than that is a letdown, and you can hear that state of always-imminent dissatisfaction if you listen to the crowd at the Santiago Bernabéu. They whistle and hiss at phenomenal players for having a solitary bad game; they get violently restless whenever Madrid trail. They spend the entire season uptight and aggrieved, unclenching only when their team finally does what they were supposed to do all along. And when the club fails, there’s a cacophony of accusations and unpleasantness.


The Warriors aren’t quite Real Madrid. That brand of colossal expectation takes decades of winning the Dubs haven’t accrued. But Kevin Durant has made them into a team that can only dominate or suffer the red-assed indignity of a billionaire whose reservation hasn’t been kept. And, even worse, there is not even a metaphorical Barça or Bayern to beat back Golden State. If their success isn’t literally inevitable, it seems like it is, and a season that was set to be fun and fraught is now just shy of a coronation. Durant hasn’t done anything wrong, per se, and he’s created something we’ve never seen before, but the novelty of it will only carry us so far. Is this really going to be so wonderful to watch?

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Post#2 » by rcfc1 » Wed Jul 6, 2016 3:35 am

Fantastic article. Look forward to seeing more.
floppymoose wrote:I'm starting to see the value of adding Durant.
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Post#3 » by rich316 » Wed Jul 6, 2016 4:18 pm

Spot on. Give me the western conference of 5 years ago, when there were 5-6 teams that could have won in any given year. The Dubs are cheapening titles. And the Heatles weren't this bad, so please spare me that. They weren't joining a 73 win champion, they were creating a new team from nothing.
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Post#4 » by Winsome Gerbil » Wed Jul 6, 2016 7:34 pm

Nicely done.
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Post#5 » by Marcus50 » Wed Jul 6, 2016 9:06 pm

I just wonder wither the NBA has just lost a lot more than it has gained with this move. Such a dominant roster that is now being filled with ring chasing vets who will take minimum contracts for a ring they wont earn and the only point of interest will be much GS wins by each game and whether the team can break its 73 game season win record. There will be no 7 game finals series, hell its unlikely the GS starters will need to play the 4th quarter in most games.

The league has gone to extraordinary lengths to avoid this sort of stacked team; the draft, the salary cap, the tax have all been designed to keep the league a contest and stop big market teams destroying the competition. I very much doubt David Stern would have allowed this to happen but Silver is not the strong voice Stern was. If the league wants super teams just cut it to 10 teams and run a big feeder league. At least then the games will be a contest.

Certainly the GS fans will disagree but the league has lost a great deal through this move to GS by Durant.
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Post#6 » by hyberx » Wed Jul 6, 2016 10:13 pm

rich316 wrote:Spot on. Give me the western conference of 5 years ago, when there were 5-6 teams that could have won in any given year. The Dubs are cheapening titles. And the Heatles weren't this bad, so please spare me that. They weren't joining a 73 win champion, they were creating a new team from nothing.


Yeah the Heatles weren't this bad. They only gathered up 3 superstars, each a franchise player, and formed a super team in the super weak East, so they can have a cake walk to the Final. Then, once the King was done with the other two old ones, he moved on to form a new big 3 super team with two younger franchise players, again in the weak East. Not bad at all. :lol:
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Post#7 » by hyberx » Wed Jul 6, 2016 10:18 pm

Marcus50 wrote:I just wonder wither the NBA has just lost a lot more than it has gained with this move. Such a dominant roster that is now being filled with ring chasing vets who will take minimum contracts for a ring they wont earn and the only point of interest will be much GS wins by each game and whether the team can break its 73 game season win record. There will be no 7 game finals series, hell its unlikely the GS starters will need to play the 4th quarter in most games.

The league has gone to extraordinary lengths to avoid this sort of stacked team; the draft, the salary cap, the tax have all been designed to keep the league a contest and stop big market teams destroying the competition. I very much doubt David Stern would have allowed this to happen but Silver is not the strong voice Stern was. If the league wants super teams just cut it to 10 teams and run a big feeder league. At least then the games will be a contest.

Certainly the GS fans will disagree but the league has lost a great deal through this move to GS by Durant.


Yeah, totally agree. It's like nobody watched the NBA during Jordon's Bulls or Shaq/Kobe's Lakers era. I also don't understand why Adam Silver does not prevent this to happen. He could have suspended Kevin Durant for rest of his career and ban the Warriors from playing in the NBA.
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Post#8 » by rich316 » Wed Jul 6, 2016 10:31 pm

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rich316 wrote:Spot on. Give me the western conference of 5 years ago, when there were 5-6 teams that could have won in any given year. The Dubs are cheapening titles. And the Heatles weren't this bad, so please spare me that. They weren't joining a 73 win champion, they were creating a new team from nothing.


Yeah the Heatles weren't this bad. They only gathered up 3 superstars, each a franchise player, and formed a super team in the super weak East, so they can have a cake walk to the Final. Then, once the King was done with the other two old ones, he moved on to form a new big 3 super team with two younger franchise players, again in the weak East. Not bad at all. :lol:


Chris Bosh was never a superstar, and that team started Mario Chalmers and Joel Anthony. And again, they weren't joining a 73 win team.
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Post#9 » by tallassmike » Wed Jul 6, 2016 11:22 pm

Marcus50 wrote:I just wonder wither the NBA has just lost a lot more than it has gained with this move. Such a dominant roster that is now being filled with ring chasing vets who will take minimum contracts for a ring they wont earn and the only point of interest will be much GS wins by each game and whether the team can break its 73 game season win record. There will be no 7 game finals series, hell its unlikely the GS starters will need to play the 4th quarter in most games.

The league has gone to extraordinary lengths to avoid this sort of stacked team; the draft, the salary cap, the tax have all been designed to keep the league a contest and stop big market teams destroying the competition. I very much doubt David Stern would have allowed this to happen but Silver is not the strong voice Stern was. If the league wants super teams just cut it to 10 teams and run a big feeder league. At least then the games will be a contest.

Certainly the GS fans will disagree but the league has lost a great deal through this move to GS by Durant.



The only thing I would disagree about is the reason this is happening. Which is that Stephen Curry is making 12 mil next season. This is the only reason the signing was possible after all!
KD is going to a high contender yes. But it's not like he was taking less to come here. Bob Myers had the decision to either give Durant a 2 year/54.3 Mill contract for a known producer. Instead of Harrison Barnes 4mil/94mil? Barnes had the chance to step up to prove his worth to the team. But not producing in the post season doesn't really cry "sure, you can take 23.5mil a year from us!"

Now if Wade signed with the Cavs for 3.47 million. THAT is total ring chasing right there.
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Post#10 » by hyberx » Wed Jul 6, 2016 11:39 pm

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hyberx wrote:
rich316 wrote:Spot on. Give me the western conference of 5 years ago, when there were 5-6 teams that could have won in any given year. The Dubs are cheapening titles. And the Heatles weren't this bad, so please spare me that. They weren't joining a 73 win champion, they were creating a new team from nothing.


Yeah the Heatles weren't this bad. They only gathered up 3 superstars, each a franchise player, and formed a super team in the super weak East, so they can have a cake walk to the Final. Then, once the King was done with the other two old ones, he moved on to form a new big 3 super team with two younger franchise players, again in the weak East. Not bad at all. :lol:


Chris Bosh was never a superstar, and that team started Mario Chalmers and Joel Anthony. And again, they weren't joining a 73 win team.


Yeah Bosh only averaged 22/10, add in a block and being the main guy for Toronto. What a scrub. And Klay and DGreen are mega star, totally makes sense.
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Post#11 » by PaulGaston » Wed Jul 6, 2016 11:50 pm

Three different things here that can't be compared.

Constructing a Superteam via Trade - The Celtics had the assets, they convinced teams to trade them aging stars (KG and Ray)... they put together a great team.

Players Forming a Superteam - The Heat were a mediocre team that hadn't been out of the 1st round for 4 years straight. 29 year old Wade may have been a hair past his prime. It was a 47 win also-ran. They gutted that roster to make room for LeBron and Bosh (for instance, they gave away key contributor who was 21 years old and had been the #2 pick). Together, they formed a super trio that could have failed.

A Player Joining a Superteam - The Warriors have had an unprecedented level of success. 73 wins last season and came a hair away from being back-to-back champions. All the players are in their mid 20s. They had three different players make the all-NBA team. Barring injury, that team was already set up to win multiple titles. A top 3 player deciding to join that Super Team in his prime is pretty pathetic. There is nothing to compare this to in history, because no team in history has ever won 73 games and no team in history has ever had 4 All-NBA players.

If that team wins less than 73 games next season, they should be embarrassed. Jeff Van Gundy put it well on the Woj pod. He essentially said that this team SHOULD win every game they play. There will not be much to celebrate if they win. They will only have to live with the frustration and disappointment of the losses. If you play a game of pick-up basketball and let the first team select the top 5 guys and the other team select the leftovers, can that first team really be all that proud if they win the game? You stacked the deck. Nobody is proud of your accomplishment. It's anti-competitive.
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Post#12 » by hyberx » Thu Jul 7, 2016 1:11 am

PaulGaston wrote:Three different things here that can't be compared.


So let me see this solid logic here. If you break up half of your team and add one super star in the super competitive West conference, you should be embarrassed. If you break up your team and add two super stars in the super weak East, you are awesome. It only matters what your team did last year, not the coming season when your super team actually play. It's not the end result that matters, but what happened the year before. The guy who says if the team wins less than 73 next season they should be embarrassed, likely is the same guy who said regular season games don't matter. Nicely done.

Oh, no team in history has ever had 4 All-NBA players? How soon one can forget just the season before Hawks got 4 all stars. It seems instead of the super star argument, it should be better to argue a team is not supposed to have 4 good players. Solid.
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Post#13 » by masgi » Fri Jul 8, 2016 12:32 am

hyberx wrote:
rich316 wrote:Spot on. Give me the western conference of 5 years ago, when there were 5-6 teams that could have won in any given year. The Dubs are cheapening titles. And the Heatles weren't this bad, so please spare me that. They weren't joining a 73 win champion, they were creating a new team from nothing.


Yeah the Heatles weren't this bad. They only gathered up 3 superstars, each a franchise player, and formed a super team in the super weak East, so they can have a cake walk to the Final. Then, once the King was done with the other two old ones, he moved on to form a new big 3 super team with two younger franchise players, again in the weak East. Not bad at all. :lol:


The first two years the Heat were together, they didn't finish 1st in the East...Chicago did...and had Rose not gotten hurt during the 76ers series, who knows what would have happened. Indiana also put up a pretty good fight against them, and while the Celtics were past their prime, they still had a solid squad, as well as the Hawks.
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Post#14 » by hyberx » Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:02 am

masgi wrote:
hyberx wrote:
rich316 wrote:Spot on. Give me the western conference of 5 years ago, when there were 5-6 teams that could have won in any given year. The Dubs are cheapening titles. And the Heatles weren't this bad, so please spare me that. They weren't joining a 73 win champion, they were creating a new team from nothing.


Yeah the Heatles weren't this bad. They only gathered up 3 superstars, each a franchise player, and formed a super team in the super weak East, so they can have a cake walk to the Final. Then, once the King was done with the other two old ones, he moved on to form a new big 3 super team with two younger franchise players, again in the weak East. Not bad at all. :lol:


The first two years the Heat were together, they didn't finish 1st in the East...Chicago did...and had Rose not gotten hurt during the 76ers series, who knows what would have happened. Indiana also put up a pretty good fight against them, and while the Celtics were past their prime, they still had a solid squad, as well as the Hawks.


I am not sure why you are so inclined to point out that even with 2 other super stars, LeBron still couldn't finish 1st in the weak East.
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Post#15 » by masgi » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:21 am

I'm arguing the East wasn't as weak as you think it was. Top heavy, absolutely, with the bottom 7-8 teams being pretty trash. But the top of the East during that time period was pretty damn good.

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