Grading The Deal: Pistons Gamble Big On Blake Griffin

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Grading The Deal: Pistons Gamble Big On Blake Griffin 

Post#1 » by RealGM Articles » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:47 pm

So much for a potentially slow trade deadline. The Los Angeles Clippers traded their assumed franchise player Blake Griffin, along with Brice Johnson and Willie Reed to the Detroit Pistons for Avery Bradley, Tobias Harris, Boban Marjanovic, a protected first round pick and a second round pick.


Detroit was in a tough situation, albeit one of their own creation. After re-signing Andre Drummond and Reggie Jackson in recent years, the Pistons were effectively capped out. In part, this is what cost them Kentavious Caldwell-Pope this past summer. Detroit was limited to making fringe upgrades around their core of Drummond, Jackson and Harris. Bradley was one of those upgrades, when the Celtics were clearing cap space to sign Gordon Hayward. The Pistons lost Marcus Morris in that trade, but they had Stanley Johnson ready to step in at the forward spot next to Harris.


Fast forward to today and Detroit has lost eight straight games and slipped to three games out of the Eastern Conference playoff picture. Jackson is injured again, Bradley has been both injured and ineffective, and Johnson has continued to stall in his development for most of the season. Drummond is having the best season of his career, and Harris is averaging career-highs nearly across the board, but the Pistons haven’t had enough production beyond that pair. Luke Kennard is a promising rookie, but the rest of the bench is filled with career role players. And while Drummond is a borderline All-Star, the rest of the roster was devoid of star power.


That can’t be said any longer. Blake Griffin arguably gives the Pistons the first bona fide star since Grant Hill. When Detroit won their most recent championship, they prided themselves on being more team than stars. Since then, the Pistons have been searching for their next true franchise player and they may have found him in Griffin.


Griffin will turn 29 before the season is over and he’s battled injuries for the last four seasons. But he’s a true 20 plus point per game scorer and remains a solid rebounder and passer. No longer the highlight dunker he once was, Griffin is now a far more versatile and varied player. He’s taking a career-high 5.7 three-pointers per game and hitting them at a decent 34 percent clip. He’s also taken on much more of a playmaking burden without Chris Paul and is delivering a career-best 5.4 assists per game.


Most importantly for the Pistons, Griffin is a player you have to account for each night. While Harris was a good scorer, he rarely made impact plays. And he’s one of those guys who can average close to 20 points by going for 30 one night and 10 the next. Griffin isn’t that guy. He’s going to make plays each night and you’re going to know he’s making them.


Griffin and Drummond will make an interesting pairing. It’s one the Pistons better hope will work as they are owed a combined guaranteed amount of $172.5 million over the next three seasons. Griffin has played alongside DeAndre Jordan for years and Drummond possesses a somewhat similar game. With Griffin extending his range to the arc, it should allow the two bigs to play together without much worry. And Drummond’s improvement as a passer makes for some interesting high-low opportunities and interior passing that didn’t exist with the Griffin/Jordan combo in Los Angeles.


Brice Johnson and Willie Reed aren’t anything more than deep bench pieces for the Pistons. Neither is likely to play much of a role. If Detroit can get back on track and in the playoff race, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see either player bought out to open up a roster spot during buyout season.


The Pistons made an all-in move, which is what happens when your front office is run by the same person who coaches the team. Stan Van Gundy's tenure with the Pistons will be defined by how this move works out. Detroit is now capped out for at least the next few years. Two of their bigger salary players have injury concerns in Griffin and Jackson, and Drummond has proven incapable of carrying the team by himself. If this doesn’t work, the Pistons could find themselves in the same spot they are in now: on the outside of the playoffs looking in.


Grade for the Pistons: C+


After trading Blake Griffin, what’s next is probably more important for the Clippers than what they got in the trade. If Los Angeles moves on from DeAndre Jordan and Lou Williams over the next week or so, it signals that they're finally blowing it up after trying for nearly a decade to make it work around a Griffin/Jordan combo.


And if the Clippers blow it up, they won’t consider a long-term rebuild. They’ll hope to clear enough space to get in the LeBron James derby this summer, or at least in the mix for LA native Paul George as a consolation prize. If they can clear Jordan off the books, the Clippers could conceivably open up as much as $46 million in cap space. That is shy of two max deals, but more than enough to attract one max free agent.


On the court, this trade might end up more neutral than you might think for the rest of this season. Tobias Harris is a good, if inconsistent, scorer. He can provide much of what was lost from Griffin in the scoring department. He provides more consistent floor spacing that Griffin does, despite Griffin’s improvement from distance, which will help open the floor for others. Harris is also a better rebounder than he’s given credit for.


Avery Bradley is reunited with Doc Rivers, who coached him in his early years with the Celtics. If Bradley can get on track, he’ll give the Clippers consistent offense from the off guard role, which is something they have lacked for large portions of the year. More importantly, he’s immediately the Clippers best defensive guard as Patrick Beverley is out for the season. With so many good guards in the Western Conference, Bradley will give Rivers someone he can assign to the opposing team's best scoring guard and let him do his thing.


On offense, Bradley struggles to create his own looks, so playing with a creative passer like Milos Teodosic could help him get better shots. G-League find Tyrone Wallace is also a good playmaker, which will help Bradley and even Harris as well.


Boban Marjanovic will give Los Angeles a quality backup behind DeAndre Jordan. He could even end up the team’s starting center if Jordan is eventually traded. Marjanovic still remains somewhat more of a curiosity than a sure thing but there is talent there. Rivers hasn’t been afraid to go with big men in the past, so he might be willing to finally give Marjanovic consistent minutes.


Ultimately, the Clippers have two big takeaways from this trade. First, they get increased cap flexibility with Griffin’s deal off the books. Even if they don’t sign a max free agent this summer, things are considerably cleaner for the years moving forward. Flexibility is key and when you are in a major market, cap space has more value than it does for a small market club.


Second, the Clippers acquired a first round pick from Detroit in the deal. That pick is top four protected for the next three years, before becoming totally unprotected in 2021. Even if the Pistons don’t bottom out, the Clippers could be looking at a mid to late lottery pick. That should get them the young player they’ve been missing for years. Or that pick could be used in trade down the line for win-now help, especially if the Clips know they have a max free agent coming.


Giving up on Griffin has to hurt for long time Clipper fans, but the Clippers were stuck in the middle the Western Conference. Even if they were fully healthy, they weren’t on the level of Golden State, Houston, San Antonio, Oklahoma City or even Minnesota. The middle is the worst place you can be in the NBA. By clearing the decks and pursuing a max free agent, the Clippers could end up more relevant than they’ve ever been.


Grade for the Clippers: B-

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Re: Grading The Deal: Pistons Gamble Big On Blake Griffin 

Post#2 » by HotelVitale » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:00 pm

Seems pretty generous for the Clips, think the author is overthinking this.

End of the day the Clips traded a franchise cornerstone and perennial all-star in his prime for what could very easily be nothing. Bradley probably walks after this year, Harris is probably neither good enough nor young enough to be part of the next rebuild of the Clips, and the average return on a pick in the later teens is a fringe rotation player (think Tyler Zeller or Andrew Nicholson). Barring the like 3% chance you get a star with a pick that late, this will very likely end up being an average starter for a near superstar.

I understand that this might have been the best the Clips could do now--given Blake's contract, injury history, etc--but it's still a small return for a star with nothing great coming back, and nothing to really help the rebuild. Seems like giving this a 'B' is more like saying 'I understand the logic and sympathize with the GM' rather than actually evaluating how good this was as an overall franchise move.
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Post#3 » by DannyAingeIsGod » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:07 am

HotelVitale wrote:Seems pretty generous for the Clips, think the author is overthinking this.

End of the day the Clips traded a franchise cornerstone and perennial all-star in his prime for what could very easily be nothing. Bradley probably walks after this year, Harris is probably neither good enough nor young enough to be part of the next rebuild of the Clips, and the average return on a pick in the later teens is a fringe rotation player (think Tyler Zeller or Andrew Nicholson). Barring the like 3% chance you get a star with a pick that late, this will very likely end up being an average starter for a near superstar.

I understand that this might have been the best the Clips could do now--given Blake's contract, injury history, etc--but it's still a small return for a star with nothing great coming back, and nothing to really help the rebuild. Seems like giving this a 'B' is more like saying 'I understand the logic and sympathize with the GM' rather than actually evaluating how good this was as an overall franchise move.

T.Harris has a sweet contract next year I believe 14.8M and it's an expiring deal trade him for someone like J.Noah and take back 2 FRPs or 1FRP and 2 seconds. (Or Luol Deng same idea) trade Danilo G. For someone like Evan Turner and take back a couple of seconds. Imagine what thsy could get from the Cavs for Jordan (Brooklyns FRP plus some incentives) maybe the soon to be doomed Cavaliers FRP. They could trade Louis Willams for a young stud to come take the reigns. I think this is brilliant for the Clippers the bottom 24 teams in this leauge right now should be big time sellers. Very few teams have any shot at the title with Golden State ruining baseketball.
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Post#4 » by gmehl1977 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:56 am

DannyAingeIsGod wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:Seems pretty generous for the Clips, think the author is overthinking this.

End of the day the Clips traded a franchise cornerstone and perennial all-star in his prime for what could very easily be nothing. Bradley probably walks after this year, Harris is probably neither good enough nor young enough to be part of the next rebuild of the Clips, and the average return on a pick in the later teens is a fringe rotation player (think Tyler Zeller or Andrew Nicholson). Barring the like 3% chance you get a star with a pick that late, this will very likely end up being an average starter for a near superstar.

I understand that this might have been the best the Clips could do now--given Blake's contract, injury history, etc--but it's still a small return for a star with nothing great coming back, and nothing to really help the rebuild. Seems like giving this a 'B' is more like saying 'I understand the logic and sympathize with the GM' rather than actually evaluating how good this was as an overall franchise move.

T.Harris has a sweet contract next year I believe 14.8M and it's an expiring deal trade him for someone like J.Noah and take back 2 FRPs or 1FRP and 2 seconds. (Or Luol Deng same idea) trade Danilo G. For someone like Evan Turner and take back a couple of seconds. Imagine what thsy could get from the Cavs for Jordan (Brooklyns FRP plus some incentives) maybe the soon to be doomed Cavaliers FRP. They could trade Louis Willams for a young stud to come take the reigns. I think this is brilliant for the Clippers the bottom 24 teams in this leauge right now should be big time sellers. Very few teams have any shot at the title with Golden State ruining baseketball.


You sir in your last paragraph are so so right and I'm a Piston fan. If you don't have a blue chip star on your roster then yes you should be looking to have a fire sale 100% of the time. You can do things 2 ways in this league:
1) The Danny Ainge method where you find a sucker team (i.e. Brooklyn) where you trade out ageing veteran superstars (i.e. Garnett/Pierce) for 1st rounders (unprotected if you can)
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2) The 76ers method of tanking to get top 3 picks and hold out those rookies for a season so you can go back to the well continuously and get more top 3 picks.

The Pistons method is obviously leaning more towards the Celtics/Brooklyn trade but nowhere near as bad due to where the Pistons sit in the standings. Hopefully for us Piston fans the Clippers don't get anything more than the 12th to 15th pick in the draft later this year. Knowing the Clippers even if they did get to pick earlier than that they'd probably shank it anyways. It would be hilarious/masterful if the Pistons shut down Griffin for the rest of the season and tanked the rest of the way and end up keeping their pick which is top 4 protected. I guess that could then be known as the SVG method :-)
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Post#5 » by HotelVitale » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:17 am

DannyAingeIsGod wrote:T.Harris has a sweet contract next year I believe 14.8M and it's an expiring deal trade him for someone like J.Noah and take back 2 FRPs or 1FRP and 2 seconds. (Or Luol Deng same idea) trade Danilo G. For someone like Evan Turner and take back a couple of seconds. Imagine what thsy could get from the Cavs for Jordan (Brooklyns FRP plus some incentives) maybe the soon to be doomed Cavaliers FRP. They could trade Louis Willams for a young stud to come take the reigns. I think this is brilliant for the Clippers the bottom 24 teams in this leauge right now should be big time sellers. Very few teams have any shot at the title with Golden State ruining baseketball.

Not sure why you just listed a bunch of hypothetical and very unlikely scenario trades:
--the Knicks are actively giving up 2 1sts to dump Joakim Noah? And for some reason they're only talking with the Clippers about that?
--The Cavs are interested in trading the BKN pick and their own first and other assets to rent Deandre Jordan?
--Lou Williams will be traded for a 'young stud'?

It seems like you think that rebuilding and trading your vets is some instant ticket to success. It's a lot more likely that the Clips will get a couple of mid-1sts for Jordan, Williams, and T Harris, and like all mid-1st rounders each will have about a 35% chance of becoming a starting-level player. In other words, they will have traded 4 starting caliber vets for maybe 1 young starter. Of course things could work out better--the draft is gamble that sometimes pays off big--but there's nothing 'brilliant' about this trade. It might have been the right move but it's very unlikely to be a huge win for them.
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Post#6 » by hoopsfan2424 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:46 am

I just had a vision of best-case Pistons: the Kings squads with Webber and Divac. Two elite passing bigs. I have a sneaking suspicion that this is going to work for Detroit. The pieces that you need to fill out the roster aren't necessarily expensive. You just need great scouting and shrewd moves. Glue guys (christie), heady PGs who shoot well (Bibby), and sharpshooters (Peja) can be discovered and acquired cheaply with a little bit of luck. It'd be really cool if they started winning 52+ games every year and I don't think it's totally far-fetched.
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Post#7 » by hoopsfan2424 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:56 am

HotelVitale wrote:Seems pretty generous for the Clips, think the author is overthinking this.

End of the day the Clips traded a franchise cornerstone and perennial all-star in his prime for what could very easily be nothing. Bradley probably walks after this year, Harris is probably neither good enough nor young enough to be part of the next rebuild of the Clips, and the average return on a pick in the later teens is a fringe rotation player (think Tyler Zeller or Andrew Nicholson). Barring the like 3% chance you get a star with a pick that late, this will very likely end up being an average starter for a near superstar.

I understand that this might have been the best the Clips could do now--given Blake's contract, injury history, etc--but it's still a small return for a star with nothing great coming back, and nothing to really help the rebuild. Seems like giving this a 'B' is more like saying 'I understand the logic and sympathize with the GM' rather than actually evaluating how good this was as an overall franchise move.


Well said. I wanted to +1 this but the button isn't showing up. It's like "They decided to become worse, they deserve a B." Even if it's what they should have done, it'll probably make them worse for the foreseeable future.
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Post#8 » by bj2323 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:44 pm

If Bradley resigns with this squad, I would love to see a scrappy, defensive minded back court in Beverley and Bradley.
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Re: Grading The Deal: Pistons Gamble Big On Blake Griffin 

Post#9 » by colaroaster » Thu Feb 1, 2018 7:43 pm

big market teams can make a star out of avg players, clippers got a decent scorer and a lotto pick for an aging-injury prone player that relies on athleticism.

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