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Post#1 » by RealGM Articles » Thu May 28, 2020 4:52 pm

It hasn’t been that long since Josh Smith exited the league. His last real moments—before that end-of-career, just-trying-to-catch-on-somewhere blear set in—were coming off the bench in Houston during their 2015 playoff run, annihilating the Mavericks from the mid-post and draining improbable threes as an agent of the Clippers’ second round curse. By then, he had already been cast off by Stan Van Gundy, straight up released by the Pistons not even a season-and-a-half after signing a four-year deal. Even at 29, there was a late in life quality to his game, a sense of nostalgia, memories through no small amount of effort still animated that might by next week lie static as photographs. After the Warriors bounced the Rockets in the Western Conference Finals, Smoove had 58 games left.


Though he persisted into the modern era of wide open basketball, Smith spiritually belongs to the much junkier mid-aughts. He entered the NBA in 2004, at the tail end of the preps-to-pros boom and in the thick of another trend: a time when front offices were enamored with long, terrifyingly vertical forwards with more athletic elan than basketball knowhow. You will occasionally read about the Pentagon pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the development of, say, an extremely cool-sounding jet that in reality barely flies and for some reason explodes whenever a left-handed person operates it. These are stories about the power of self-delusion, bureaucratic inertia, and the strange, spectacular hard-ons military men get for the next generation of death machines. They are also, if you swap out a few particulars, a decent explanation of why Tyrus Thomas was a lottery pick. 


We all dream, whatever we dream about, without any sense, and sometimes forget that this is not the same thing as making a plan. What we imagine in our mind expands ever-outward but disintegrates the moment reality touches it. The thing’s got no bones.


Josh Smith was actually quite a player, as tremendously gifted disappointments go. He wasn’t a bust like Tyrus Thomas or Darius Miles or even a productive underachiever like Marvin Williams or Corey Brewer. If he has a peer, it’s probably Lamar Odom, though Lamar was both more skilled and more personally troubled. (More successful too, after Pau Gasol joined he and Kobe in Los Angeles.) Josh Smith was damn good, all things considered, but so frequently and heavily lamented that he became more closely associated with his poor decisions than his broad range of talents. 


His shot selection was stupid. He liked the three, loved the long two, and couldn’t make either one of them. Smoove once said “I’m not one to look at where I am on the court [when I shoot],” and really, he should have. In 2015, Jonathan Abrams wrote a long feature on Smith that features roughly a billion instances of a parent, coach, or teammate saying something like yeah, I dunno, the guy just likes to heave it. It’s not like nobody talked to him about it, or that Smith wasn’t aware that he was a horrifically unsuccessful jumpshooter. He simply felt like the next one was going in. Aside from a couple seasons in Atlanta when he made more of an effort to attack the rim—not coincidentally, the two most efficient years of his career—he was addicted to pulling up as the entire arena groaned.


The thing is, it’s not like Josh Smith was Russell Westbrook. He wasn’t shooting poorly and all the time. For most of his career, he shared an offensive workload with Joe Johnson and Al Horford, and if those two demi-stars weren’t quite voluble enough to relegate Smith to a role that perfectly suited him, they also freed him up to do the kind of dazzling peripheral work he thrived on. You could be forgiven for watching Smoove hoist a series of godawful fading 18-footers and conclude that he had no idea what he was do—and a lot of people did just that, based on their limited information; the Hawks were not exactly appointment viewing—but he was inarguably, shot selection aside, a really smart player. On the perimeter, he used his length to force ballhandlers wherever they didn’t want to go, or into help, and in the paint, Horford’s excellent positional defending allowed him to be an off-ball predator, arriving from the weak side to erase lay-in attempts and strip posting big men. He was a good passer for the same reason he was a good cutter: Smoove had a sharp understanding of timing and angles, how to start moving a beat before the rim protector needs to get out of the paint.


If Josh Smith were only that stuff, plus his blow-by drives and outrageous dunks and maybe only a small handful of trust-me-this-is-money pull-ups per game, every team in the league would have been thrilled to have him. That he stubbornly wasn’t was a product of both his circumstances and his constitution. Some guys never learn, and some guys never get the right opportunity. It’s fun to imagine what might have happened if you stuck a 25-year-old Smoove on, say, the 2015 Warriors, where he could have played the Draymond Green role with awesome athleticism if slightly less defensive genius. Maybe that’s something he would have taken to. Instead, he was frustrating and productive in Atlanta. Then he went to Detroit, lost interest, and quickly shot himself out of the league. 


It’s not an accomplishment to resist optimization. Or it is not necessarily that. Sometimes your critics are being overly particular, and sometimes they has a point, and growing up is realizing which of your dumb fixations are crucial to your sense of self, and which ones are merely counterproductive. Josh Smith didn’t need to take so many lousy shots to be Josh Smith, though those lousy shots did eventually come to define him in the eyes of others. 


What made him appealing and endlessly aggravating is that he was so much more than that, but didn’t allow himself to be everything he could have been. To a degree, that’s true of many NBA careers, but with Smith, the discrepancies—between perception and reality, between imagining and realization–were as wide as lakes. Volatile and mysterious, he wasn’t what anybody claimed he was, or hoped he would be. There was definitely something about him, but it came to you only in dreams, and by the time you awoke, you couldn’t say for sure what it was.

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Re: Suspended Indefinitely: Josh Smith Pulls Up 

Post#2 » by birdlives_ma » Thu May 28, 2020 5:30 pm

Great read! Watching Smoove was one of the most frustrating/rewarding sports experiences of my life
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Re: Suspended Indefinitely: Josh Smith Pulls Up 

Post#3 » by saltybs » Thu May 28, 2020 11:30 pm

Goly man, you're killing it. This paragraph is just art:

Though he persisted into the modern era of wide open basketball, Smith spiritually belongs to the much junkier mid-aughts. He entered the NBA in 2004, at the tail end of the preps-to-pros boom and in the thick of another trend: a time when front offices were enamored with long, terrifyingly vertical forwards with more athletic elan than basketball knowhow. You will occasionally read about the Pentagon pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the development of, say, an extremely cool-sounding jet that in reality barely flies and for some reason explodes whenever a left-handed person operates it. These are stories about the power of self-delusion, bureaucratic inertia, and the strange, spectacular hard-ons military men get for the next generation of death machines. They are also, if you swap out a few particulars, a decent explanation of why Tyrus Thomas was a lottery pick.

Write a book dude!
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Re: Suspended Indefinitely: Josh Smith Pulls Up 

Post#4 » by gabri3l3 » Fri May 29, 2020 9:11 pm

great article. mesmerizing player
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Post#5 » by Invictus88 » Fri May 29, 2020 10:48 pm

As a Pistons fan... No. Just no.

This is a guy who eclipsed the league average in effective fg% just 3 times in his career and was an abysmal free throw shooter to boot. He played zero defense 90% of the time, often failing to even make it across half court on that end. He was a black hole on offense where defenders would sink off of him several *feet* to leave him wide open. He never got the hint. He jacked the shots up anyway. When he did drive smart teams would just foul him so he could miss at the line. And it was never his fault that the offense had no rhythm. Never his fault for the porous defense. Zero accountability.

There's a reason Atlanta let him walk away for nothing.
There's a reason Detroit is STILL paying to have had him leave the team in *2014*

Joe Dumars was foolhardy enough to be enamored with highlight reel Josh Smith and it looks like the author of this article was as well. Because for fans whose teams he was actually on it was nothing but pain and anguish. So much talent and such a willingness to waste it.
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Post#6 » by elchengue20 » Thu Jun 4, 2020 6:35 am

Invictus88 wrote:As a Pistons fan... No. Just no.

This is a guy who eclipsed the league average in effective fg% just 3 times in his career and was an abysmal free throw shooter to boot. He played zero defense 90% of the time, often failing to even make it across half court on that end. He was a black hole on offense where defenders would sink off of him several *feet* to leave him wide open. He never got the hint. He jacked the shots up anyway. When he did drive smart teams would just foul him so he could miss at the line. And it was never his fault that the offense had no rhythm. Never his fault for the porous defense. Zero accountability.

There's a reason Atlanta let him walk away for nothing.
There's a reason Detroit is STILL paying to have had him leave the team in *2014*

Joe Dumars was foolhardy enough to be enamored with highlight reel Josh Smith and it looks like the author of this article was as well. Because for fans whose teams he was actually on it was nothing but pain and anguish. So much talent and such a willingness to waste it.


But the writer sayed he was terrible in Detoit. He lost interest. In Atlanta he had some promising moments, in his good games he was close to a Shawn Marion level player. Not a bad player at all.
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Post#7 » by Invictus88 » Thu Jun 4, 2020 5:25 pm

elchengue20 wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:As a Pistons fan... No. Just no.

This is a guy who eclipsed the league average in effective fg% just 3 times in his career and was an abysmal free throw shooter to boot. He played zero defense 90% of the time, often failing to even make it across half court on that end. He was a black hole on offense where defenders would sink off of him several *feet* to leave him wide open. He never got the hint. He jacked the shots up anyway. When he did drive smart teams would just foul him so he could miss at the line. And it was never his fault that the offense had no rhythm. Never his fault for the porous defense. Zero accountability.

There's a reason Atlanta let him walk away for nothing.
There's a reason Detroit is STILL paying to have had him leave the team in *2014*

Joe Dumars was foolhardy enough to be enamored with highlight reel Josh Smith and it looks like the author of this article was as well. Because for fans whose teams he was actually on it was nothing but pain and anguish. So much talent and such a willingness to waste it.


But the writer sayed he was terrible in Detoit. He lost interest. In Atlanta he had some promising moments, in his good games he was close to a Shawn Marion level player. Not a bad player at all.


The writer said he wasn't always bad. Historically speaking he was in the top 20 worst shooters of all time. (See basketball references adjusted shooting stats) That's including his Atlanta years.

I'm willing to take being bad for your team 90-95% of the time as making the statement 'Not a bad player at all' payently false.
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Post#8 » by elchengue20 » Thu Jun 4, 2020 7:18 pm

Yeah, okey he was always terrible. A top 20 worst player of all time. That's why he played 10+ years in the NBA and made close to 100 million in salary.

In his prime years, in Altanta he was a 17/9/4/1.5/1.5 all around forward.Close to a Shawn Marion/Lamar Odom type player. Atlanta was a 3rd/4th seed for a couple of years, with him being the 3rd best player on the team.Not a bad player at all.

Had a chance to be really good if he played smarter, that's the point of this article and it's right.

He became a really negative player in Detroit when he got lazy, older, less athletic and also tried to become a volume scorer.
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Post#9 » by Invictus88 » Fri Jun 5, 2020 6:37 pm

elchengue20 wrote:Yeah, okey he was always terrible. A top 20 worst player of all time. That's why he played 10+ years in the NBA and made close to 100 million in salary.

In his prime years, in Altanta he was a 17/9/4/1.5/1.5 all around forward.Close to a Shawn Marion/Lamar Odom type player. Atlanta was a 3rd/4th seed for a couple of years, with him being the 3rd best player on the team.Not a bad player at all.

Had a chance to be really good if he played smarter, that's the point of this article and it's right.

He became a really negative player in Detroit when he got lazy, older, less athletic and also tried to become a volume scorer.


Atlanta let him walk for nothing. Nothing.

He was *always* a volume scorer (see my previous comment about having an efg lower than the league average 9 out of 12 seasons.) He was a net negative to his teams in terms of points scored vs allowed in every season except for two (09-10 and 10-11). He didn't come to Detroit until 2013.

Mike Goodson should have won coach of the year for the job he did in getting Smoove to stop shooting 3s in 2009-10, which not surprisingly was Atlanta's best season by far in Smith's tenure there. Smoove went right back to chucking the next year when Goodson was gone and Atlanta regressed as a team as well.

What you fail to understand is that he always made bad choices outside of 09-10. And because he always made bad choices he always hurt his team. And because he always hurt his team he was always a bad player.

People like you and the author (and Joe Dumars) saw moments of brilliance in highlights and tried to say he wasn't always bad. But that's just not true. The Pistons are still paying for it to this day.
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Post#10 » by elchengue20 » Fri Jun 5, 2020 11:00 pm

Invictus88 wrote:
elchengue20 wrote:Yeah, okey he was always terrible. A top 20 worst player of all time. That's why he played 10+ years in the NBA and made close to 100 million in salary.

In his prime years, in Altanta he was a 17/9/4/1.5/1.5 all around forward.Close to a Shawn Marion/Lamar Odom type player. Atlanta was a 3rd/4th seed for a couple of years, with him being the 3rd best player on the team.Not a bad player at all.

Had a chance to be really good if he played smarter, that's the point of this article and it's right.

He became a really negative player in Detroit when he got lazy, older, less athletic and also tried to become a volume scorer.


Atlanta let him walk for nothing. Nothing.

He was *always* a volume scorer (see my previous comment about having an efg lower than the league average 9 out of 12 seasons.) He was a net negative to his teams in terms of points scored vs allowed in every season except for two (09-10 and 10-11). He didn't come to Detroit until 2013.

Mike Goodson should have won coach of the year for the job he did in getting Smoove to stop shooting 3s in 2009-10, which not surprisingly was Atlanta's best season by far in Smith's tenure there. Smoove went right back to chucking the next year when Goodson was gone and Atlanta regressed as a team as well.

What you fail to understand is that he always made bad choices outside of 09-10. And because he always made bad choices he always hurt his team. And because he always hurt his team he was always a bad player.

People like you and the author (and Joe Dumars) saw moments of brilliance in highlights and tried to say he wasn't always bad. But that's just not true. The Pistons are still paying for it to this day.


Atlanta did the right thing, players like him who rely a lot on their athleticism and doesn't have a good work ethic decline very fast.

He was a good player for a couple of years IN HIS ATHLETIC PRIME and had potential to be great.The main problem was his stupid long twos most than his 3's.Even as an ineficient scorer, he was above average in most of the other parts of the game.He didn't hurt his team in defense, he didn't hurt his team in rebounding, he didn't hurt his team in transition. He could play off the ball, he was a decent passer. He was a plus in all those areas.

You can't be a playoff team for five straight seasons if your 3rd best player is a complete negative on the court. They took the dominant 2008 Boston Celtics to 7 games. They even got to the second round in 2010 and 2011.

If you just watched him play, this isn't hard to understand. Maybe you just want to pick a stat and build an argument to feel smarter than everyobody else.
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Post#11 » by Invictus88 » Fri Jun 5, 2020 11:44 pm

elchengue20 wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:
elchengue20 wrote:Yeah, okey he was always terrible. A top 20 worst player of all time. That's why he played 10+ years in the NBA and made close to 100 million in salary.

In his prime years, in Altanta he was a 17/9/4/1.5/1.5 all around forward.Close to a Shawn Marion/Lamar Odom type player. Atlanta was a 3rd/4th seed for a couple of years, with him being the 3rd best player on the team.Not a bad player at all.

Had a chance to be really good if he played smarter, that's the point of this article and it's right.

He became a really negative player in Detroit when he got lazy, older, less athletic and also tried to become a volume scorer.


Atlanta let him walk for nothing. Nothing.

He was *always* a volume scorer (see my previous comment about having an efg lower than the league average 9 out of 12 seasons.) He was a net negative to his teams in terms of points scored vs allowed in every season except for two (09-10 and 10-11). He didn't come to Detroit until 2013.

Mike Goodson should have won coach of the year for the job he did in getting Smoove to stop shooting 3s in 2009-10, which not surprisingly was Atlanta's best season by far in Smith's tenure there. Smoove went right back to chucking the next year when Goodson was gone and Atlanta regressed as a team as well.

What you fail to understand is that he always made bad choices outside of 09-10. And because he always made bad choices he always hurt his team. And because he always hurt his team he was always a bad player.

People like you and the author (and Joe Dumars) saw moments of brilliance in highlights and tried to say he wasn't always bad. But that's just not true. The Pistons are still paying for it to this day.


Atlanta did the right thing, players like him who rely a lot on their athleticism and doesn't have a good work ethic decline very fast.

He was a good player for a couple of years IN HIS ATHLETIC PRIME and had potential to be great.The main problem was his stupid long twos most than his 3's.Even as an ineficient scorer, he was above average in most of the other parts of the game.He didn't hurt his team in defense, he didn't hurt his team in rebounding, he didn't hurt his team in transition. He could play off the ball, he was a decent passer. He was a plus in all those areas.

You can't be a playoff team for five straight seasons if your 3rd best player is a complete negative on the court. They took the dominant 2008 Boston Celtics to 7 games. They even got to the second round in 2010 and 2011.

If you just watched him play, this isn't hard to understand. Maybe you just want to pick a stat and build an argument to feel smarter than everyobody else.


You're the one who keeps saying he was their 3rd best player. I make no such claim.

I have watched play. Entirely too much unfortunately.

I replied to the article because I disagreed with it. You're the one who is taking things personally and trying to put words in people's mouths. (Or thoughts and feelings in other's minds)

I have no idea who you or anyone else is here and honestly I don't care. If you find my opinion about a basketball player sonehow a value judgement on your intelligence then that's completely on you. I can't help you with that.
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Post#12 » by elchengue20 » Sat Jun 6, 2020 4:21 am

Invictus88 wrote:
elchengue20 wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:
Atlanta let him walk for nothing. Nothing.

He was *always* a volume scorer (see my previous comment about having an efg lower than the league average 9 out of 12 seasons.) He was a net negative to his teams in terms of points scored vs allowed in every season except for two (09-10 and 10-11). He didn't come to Detroit until 2013.

Mike Goodson should have won coach of the year for the job he did in getting Smoove to stop shooting 3s in 2009-10, which not surprisingly was Atlanta's best season by far in Smith's tenure there. Smoove went right back to chucking the next year when Goodson was gone and Atlanta regressed as a team as well.

What you fail to understand is that he always made bad choices outside of 09-10. And because he always made bad choices he always hurt his team. And because he always hurt his team he was always a bad player.

People like you and the author (and Joe Dumars) saw moments of brilliance in highlights and tried to say he wasn't always bad. But that's just not true. The Pistons are still paying for it to this day.


Atlanta did the right thing, players like him who rely a lot on their athleticism and doesn't have a good work ethic decline very fast.

He was a good player for a couple of years IN HIS ATHLETIC PRIME and had potential to be great.The main problem was his stupid long twos most than his 3's.Even as an ineficient scorer, he was above average in most of the other parts of the game.He didn't hurt his team in defense, he didn't hurt his team in rebounding, he didn't hurt his team in transition. He could play off the ball, he was a decent passer. He was a plus in all those areas.

You can't be a playoff team for five straight seasons if your 3rd best player is a complete negative on the court. They took the dominant 2008 Boston Celtics to 7 games. They even got to the second round in 2010 and 2011.

If you just watched him play, this isn't hard to understand. Maybe you just want to pick a stat and build an argument to feel smarter than everyobody else.


You're the one who keeps saying he was their 3rd best player. I make no such claim.

I have watched play. Entirely too much unfortunately.

I replied to the article because I disagreed with it. You're the one who is taking things personally and trying to put words in people's mouths. (Or thoughts and feelings in other's minds)

I have no idea who you or anyone else is here and honestly I don't care. If you find my opinion about a basketball player sonehow a value judgement on your intelligence then that's completely on you. I can't help you with that.


Lol,you really must belive Zaza Pachulia was better then him, alright boy.

Seriously speaking, i think you got traumatizaded because he was a terrible signing in Detroit. He got paid and didn't put the efort no more.But in his prime in Atlanta he was an impactfull player, you have to take in account that basketball was least efficient in the 2000's, so his lack of eficencicy in scoring didn't hurt his team as much as today.

If he entered the league today, he would learn to shoot better, systems are a lot more structured nowadays.
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Post#13 » by Invictus88 » Sun Jun 7, 2020 12:30 am

elchengue20 wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:
elchengue20 wrote:
Atlanta did the right thing, players like him who rely a lot on their athleticism and doesn't have a good work ethic decline very fast.

He was a good player for a couple of years IN HIS ATHLETIC PRIME and had potential to be great.The main problem was his stupid long twos most than his 3's.Even as an ineficient scorer, he was above average in most of the other parts of the game.He didn't hurt his team in defense, he didn't hurt his team in rebounding, he didn't hurt his team in transition. He could play off the ball, he was a decent passer. He was a plus in all those areas.

You can't be a playoff team for five straight seasons if your 3rd best player is a complete negative on the court. They took the dominant 2008 Boston Celtics to 7 games. They even got to the second round in 2010 and 2011.

If you just watched him play, this isn't hard to understand. Maybe you just want to pick a stat and build an argument to feel smarter than everyobody else.


You're the one who keeps saying he was their 3rd best player. I make no such claim.

I have watched play. Entirely too much unfortunately.

I replied to the article because I disagreed with it. You're the one who is taking things personally and trying to put words in people's mouths. (Or thoughts and feelings in other's minds)

I have no idea who you or anyone else is here and honestly I don't care. If you find my opinion about a basketball player sonehow a value judgement on your intelligence then that's completely on you. I can't help you with that.


Lol,you really must belive Zaza Pachulia was better then him, alright boy.

Seriously speaking, i think you got traumatizaded because he was a terrible signing in Detroit. He got paid and didn't put the efort no more.But in his prime in Atlanta he was an impactfull player, you have to take in account that basketball was least efficient in the 2000's, so his lack of eficencicy in scoring didn't hurt his team as much as today.

If he entered the league today, he would learn to shoot better, systems are a lot more structured nowadays.


This is the last time I'm going to reply but I felt I had to say something to what is probably the dumbest thing I have heard in a long, long time:

Josh Smith, a guy who did almost nothing but ineffectively hoist outside shots for 12 straight years is somehow magically going to figure out how to shoot *now*?

How many decades of proof of poor outside shooting do you need to see from a guy before you finally realize that he's just not good at it?
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Post#14 » by elchengue20 » Sun Jun 7, 2020 3:19 am

Invictus88 wrote:
elchengue20 wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:
You're the one who keeps saying he was their 3rd best player. I make no such claim.

I have watched play. Entirely too much unfortunately.

I replied to the article because I disagreed with it. You're the one who is taking things personally and trying to put words in people's mouths. (Or thoughts and feelings in other's minds)

I have no idea who you or anyone else is here and honestly I don't care. If you find my opinion about a basketball player sonehow a value judgement on your intelligence then that's completely on you. I can't help you with that.


Lol,you really must belive Zaza Pachulia was better then him, alright boy.

Seriously speaking, i think you got traumatizaded because he was a terrible signing in Detroit. He got paid and didn't put the efort no more.But in his prime in Atlanta he was an impactfull player, you have to take in account that basketball was least efficient in the 2000's, so his lack of eficencicy in scoring didn't hurt his team as much as today.

If he entered the league today, he would learn to shoot better, systems are a lot more structured nowadays.


This is the last time I'm going to reply but I felt I had to say something to what is probably the dumbest thing I have heard in a long, long time:

Josh Smith, a guy who did almost nothing but ineffectively hoist outside shots for 12 straight years is somehow magically going to figure out how to shoot *now*?

How many decades of proof of poor outside shooting do you need to see from a guy before you finally realize that he's just not good at it?


I was talking about shot selection, the long 2 is prohibed today by coaches. He woudn't be shooting it nearly as much. That would improve his efficency a lot. Also systems are structured to shoot more open 3's and from specific locations, that tends to upper % relative to volume.

Plus,you have to take account that in his early years in the league( he came out of HS) player development for players his size didn't emphatize shooting like it does in these days. I think its likely he would have been a more efficient shooter, you know, like most of the players who play today relative to the 2000's. In the 2000's hero ball was at his peak, everyobdy wanted to shot contested fadeaways and pull ups midrange shots. Smith was an obscene case of that way of playing the game.
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Post#15 » by cavs4872 » Tue Jun 9, 2020 4:04 am

Josh Smith is like when you have that athletic build in 2K and want to keep shooting because they leave you wide open.

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