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Justin Verlander doesn\'t buy the theory that the market for big time free agents has been limited by rebuilding clubs this offseason.

\"100 or so free agents left unsigned. System is broken,\" Verlander tweeted on Monday. \"They blame “rebuilding” but that’s BS. You’re telling me you couldn’t sign Bryce or Manny for 10 years and go from there? Seems like a good place to start a rebuild to me. 26-36 is a great performance window too.\"

Bryce Harper and Manny Machado remain unsigned as spring training approaches. Last year, J.D. Martinez didn\'t sign with the Boston Red Sox until Feb. 20.

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Metallikid wrote:Verlander making himself look terrible here. 10 year contracts are indefensible and that's why no MLB team wants to offer one. The return on value in the MLB hasn't been good for a while in regards to free agents so people simply aren't signing them. That easy.

cheese318 wrote:

Metallikid wrote:Verlander making himself look terrible here. 10 year contracts are indefensible and that's why no MLB team wants to offer one. The return on value in the MLB hasn't been good for a while in regards to free agents so people simply aren't signing them. That easy.

Umm stop acting like Machado/Harper are 31-32. They are 26. 8-10 year contract for them is exactly what I would request with out clauses for myself to secure another round of free agency if I prefer. To act like that’s unreasonable is ridiculous. Verlander is correct that the system is broken without a salary cap which of course the players prefer. It’s the most boring free agency in sports. It drags out. Any other sport 95% would have been signed 3 months ago. If they want to make baseball off season exciting again they need to make many changes to fix the system in place

Metallikid wrote:

cheese318 wrote:

Metallikid wrote:Verlander making himself look terrible here. 10 year contracts are indefensible and that's why no MLB team wants to offer one. The return on value in the MLB hasn't been good for a while in regards to free agents so people simply aren't signing them. That easy.

Umm stop acting like Machado/Harper are 31-32. They are 26. 8-10 year contract for them is exactly what I would request with out clauses for myself to secure another round of free agency if I prefer. To act like that’s unreasonable is ridiculous. Verlander is correct that the system is broken without a salary cap which of course the players prefer. It’s the most boring free agency in sports. It drags out. Any other sport 95% would have been signed 3 months ago. If they want to make baseball off season exciting again they need to make many changes to fix the system in place

Yeah, the change is going to be free agents realizing they aren't going to make as much and settling for less. In a few years time the market will find a balance. No team can afford to pay one player hundreds of millions of dollars (even Mike Trout!) and have enough money leftover to compete, so the longer contracts are becoming obsolete.

cheese318 wrote:

Metallikid wrote:

cheese318 wrote:
Umm stop acting like Machado/Harper are 31-32. They are 26. 8-10 year contract for them is exactly what I would request with out clauses for myself to secure another round of free agency if I prefer. To act like that’s unreasonable is ridiculous. Verlander is correct that the system is broken without a salary cap which of course the players prefer. It’s the most boring free agency in sports. It drags out. Any other sport 95% would have been signed 3 months ago. If they want to make baseball off season exciting again they need to make many changes to fix the system in place

Yeah, the change is going to be free agents realizing they aren't going to make as much and settling for less. In a few years time the market will find a balance. No team can afford to pay one player hundreds of millions of dollars (even Mike Trout!) and have enough money leftover to compete, so the longer contracts are becoming obsolete.

Disagree. Certain players are always going to be valued at a certain rate. No way they take 5/100. Teams will be laying out a premium for these type players on short term deals. Is Harper worth $50-$60 Million over 3-4 year deal? I’d rather pay him 8-10 years at $35 Million per


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Metallikid wrote:

cheese318 wrote:

Metallikid wrote:
Yeah, the change is going to be free agents realizing they aren't going to make as much and settling for less. In a few years time the market will find a balance. No team can afford to pay one player hundreds of millions of dollars (even Mike Trout!) and have enough money leftover to compete, so the longer contracts are becoming obsolete.

Disagree. Certain players are always going to be valued at a certain rate. No way they take 5/100. Teams will be laying out a premium for these type players on short term deals. Is Harper worth $50-$60 Million over 3-4 year deal? I’d rather pay him 8-10 years at $35 Million per


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But isn't the fact that they haven't signed yet indicative of not being given offers as high as they were expecting?

cheese318 wrote:

Metallikid wrote:Verlander making himself look terrible here. 10 year contracts are indefensible and that's why no MLB team wants to offer one. The return on value in the MLB hasn't been good for a while in regards to free agents so people simply aren't signing them. That easy.

Umm stop acting like Machado/Harper are 31-32. They are 26. 8-10 year contract for them is exactly what I would request with out clauses for myself to secure another round of free agency if I prefer. To act like that’s unreasonable is ridiculous. Verlander is correct that the system is broken without a salary cap which of course the players prefer. It’s the most boring free agency in sports. It drags out. Any other sport 95% would have been signed 3 months ago. If they want to make baseball off season exciting again they need to make many changes to fix the system in place

dougthonus wrote:What is broken about the system? There is effectively no salary cap. Teams can decide far more directly (relative to other major sports) whether a guy's ROI is worth paying him or not. If a guy can generate 400 million in value for the franchise the teams can just pay that and come out ahead.

If a guy can't make that kind of ROI, then he's not really worth that much money to the team.

This isn't the NBA, NFL, or NHL where the various cap structures limit teams from paying guys as much as they would want to if they could.

cheese318 wrote:

Metallikid wrote:Verlander making himself look terrible here. 10 year contracts are indefensible and that's why no MLB team wants to offer one. The return on value in the MLB hasn't been good for a while in regards to free agents so people simply aren't signing them. That easy.

Umm stop acting like Machado/Harper are 31-32. They are 26. 8-10 year contract for them is exactly what I would request with out clauses for myself to secure another round of free agency if I prefer. To act like that’s unreasonable is ridiculous. Verlander is correct that the system is broken without a salary cap which of course the players prefer. It’s the most boring free agency in sports. It drags out. Any other sport 95% would have been signed 3 months ago. If they want to make baseball off season exciting again they need to make many changes to fix the system in place

Plutonashfan wrote:

dougthonus wrote:What is broken about the system? There is effectively no salary cap. Teams can decide far more directly (relative to other major sports) whether a guy's ROI is worth paying him or not. If a guy can generate 400 million in value for the franchise the teams can just pay that and come out ahead.

If a guy can't make that kind of ROI, then he's not really worth that much money to the team.

This isn't the NBA, NFL, or NHL where the various cap structures limit teams from paying guys as much as they would want to if they could.

Your also an idiot