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What grade do you give the Celtics for their trade of Pierce, Garnett?
What grade do you give the Celtics for their trade of Pierce, Garnett?
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I think people misread this poll. Horrible deal for Celtics.
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F - terrible deal for the C's.
$30m for 3 late firsts from Brooklyn while giving up 2 players who could have easily gotten SOMETHING of value (at least 1 first round pick between the two without having to take on garbage that they took on from BRK).
I don't know what Danny Ainge is doing - but he needs to be let go ASAP.
A rebuild should begin in Boston with AINGE out of there NOW - he just set the franchise back $30m for absolutely no reason. I would rather the C's have bought out Pierce for $5m than pay $30m to Gerald Wallace .... what a joke.
$30m for 3 late firsts from Brooklyn while giving up 2 players who could have easily gotten SOMETHING of value (at least 1 first round pick between the two without having to take on garbage that they took on from BRK).
I don't know what Danny Ainge is doing - but he needs to be let go ASAP.
A rebuild should begin in Boston with AINGE out of there NOW - he just set the franchise back $30m for absolutely no reason. I would rather the C's have bought out Pierce for $5m than pay $30m to Gerald Wallace .... what a joke.
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You can't tell me they couldn't find a better deal for Paul Pierce, Jason Terry, and Kevin Garnett. The picks were mediocre, though the 2018 1st and maybe even the 2016 1st could come in the middle of a rebuild, once this ancient Brooklyn team blows it up. Gerald Wallace's contract is bad too. But this is a clear rebuilding move. The Celtics are making a move to attempt to snag Wiggins and that's one hell of a payoff. Let the tank begin!
You can't tell me they couldn't find a better deal for Paul Pierce, Jason Terry, and Kevin Garnett. The picks were mediocre, though the 2018 1st and maybe even the 2016 1st could come in the middle of a rebuild, once this ancient Brooklyn team blows it up. Gerald Wallace's contract is bad too. But this is a clear rebuilding move. The Celtics are making a move to attempt to snag Wiggins and that's one hell of a payoff. Let the tank begin!
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Anyone who gave this a low grade for the Celtics is being very unrealistic about what they could have gotten from a trade. How many teams are going to mortgage their future for 3 soon-to-be retirees? This trade did 3 excellent things for the Celtics: it allowed them to take care of their two ageing stars by sending them to a team that should be competing for a championship; plus it put them in a position to tank the 13-14 season, so they can have a shot at a possible future superstar in the highly rated '14 draft; and lastly they received unprotected draft picks which could go as high as number 1 in years that the current Nets roster will be too old to be competitive.
The only part of the trade that keeps it from earning the Celtics an 'A' is the acquisition of Wallace. Unfortunately for them, they probably needed to take on that contract to match salaries and get an extra pick in the deal. Boston is not exactly a big free agent attraction, so there probably is no need for huge cap space. Though if they were to pick up Andrew Wiggins in the '14 draft, he could be a big reason for free agents to go to Boston, in which case Wallace's contract could get in the way.
Ainge has a very good track record with this team. He saw what happened to the Celtics when they held on to their original Big Three (Bird, McHale, Parish) too long, and clearly saw the rebuilding writing on the wall for the current incarnation. He already built one champion. Now it's time for Celtics fans to be patient and let one of the best GM's in the NBA do what he does best. The Celtics earned a well deserved B for this trade.
The only part of the trade that keeps it from earning the Celtics an 'A' is the acquisition of Wallace. Unfortunately for them, they probably needed to take on that contract to match salaries and get an extra pick in the deal. Boston is not exactly a big free agent attraction, so there probably is no need for huge cap space. Though if they were to pick up Andrew Wiggins in the '14 draft, he could be a big reason for free agents to go to Boston, in which case Wallace's contract could get in the way.
Ainge has a very good track record with this team. He saw what happened to the Celtics when they held on to their original Big Three (Bird, McHale, Parish) too long, and clearly saw the rebuilding writing on the wall for the current incarnation. He already built one champion. Now it's time for Celtics fans to be patient and let one of the best GM's in the NBA do what he does best. The Celtics earned a well deserved B for this trade.
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If you think this is a good trade, you're dumb. Celtics could have saved more money just buying out Pierce. Then they could have either amnestied KG or waited a year and taken his buyout, the one they hid from Celtics fans. Either way, they would save a lot more money, have cap space sooner, and not take on a bunch of garbage contacts from the Nets.
Trading away late first rounders is smart. They are usually a waste of time and money and roster space. With four late first rounders, even a good drafter like Ainge is likely to find just one rotation player.
Basically, they paid ~7 million for EACH late first round draft pick they got from the Nets. They'll have to get very lucky drafting for even one of those players to be worth a ~7 million dollar contract.
Trading away late first rounders is smart. They are usually a waste of time and money and roster space. With four late first rounders, even a good drafter like Ainge is likely to find just one rotation player.
Basically, they paid ~7 million for EACH late first round draft pick they got from the Nets. They'll have to get very lucky drafting for even one of those players to be worth a ~7 million dollar contract.
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A for the nets
B for the celtics.
Nets catapult from middle 1st/2nd round playoff exit to a contender and potential favorite with Miami.
Celtics get youngs, get assetts, draft picks, and get under the luxury tax to prepare for free agency in 2014.
B for the celtics.
Nets catapult from middle 1st/2nd round playoff exit to a contender and potential favorite with Miami.
Celtics get youngs, get assetts, draft picks, and get under the luxury tax to prepare for free agency in 2014.
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frickenWaaaltah wrote:If you think this is a good trade, you're dumb. Celtics could have saved more money just buying out Pierce. Then they could have either amnestied KG or waited a year and taken his buyout, the one they hid from Celtics fans. Either way, they would save a lot more money, have cap space sooner, and not take on a bunch of garbage contacts from the Nets.
Trading away late first rounders is smart. They are usually a waste of time and money and roster space. With four late first rounders, even a good drafter like Ainge is likely to find just one rotation player.
Basically, they paid ~7 million for EACH late first round draft pick they got from the Nets. They'll have to get very lucky drafting for even one of those players to be worth a ~7 million dollar contract.
If you think Ainge's plan is USE those 1st rounders to draft players that will stay and grow in Boston... then yes, bad move
Ainge is just as likely to package younger players on attractive deals (Green/Bradley/Rondo etc) and those picks for another superstar who wants out or can't be re-signed like he did for Allen and KG in 2007. Look at all the guys who have moved in recent years at the deadline: CP3, Dwight, Harden... in the next few years, there is potential for Love, Uncle Drew, LMA to all be moved on top of the ETO max guys (Melo, Heat big 3).
Most everyone I talked to assumed he was going for another homerun by stockpiling assets. It's the same plan Morey did in Houston
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There should have been a choice of "incomplete." On the surface it is a bad trade. Keeping Pierce and Garnett goes beyond sentimentality. People focus too much on the .500 record before Rondo was injured, and not enough on how the team actually performed in the playoffs after mediocre regular seasons. It was proven many times and many teams (DRose, Westbrook, Gallanari etc.) you simply can't win without your AllStar players in the playoffs. I would have loved to see a relatively healthy Celtics tam play the Heat who limped to the trophy in very vulnerable form.
Going forward, to deny Pierce his wish to retire as a Celtic, and to dismiss any possibility that the team could be competitive for a season or two more, means you MUST produce tangible results. This means you simply just can't have assets like late first round draft picks and trade exceptions -they have to bear fruit. So I'm willing to go with "incomplete'' with all of the many things that can happen. Pierce and Garnett had only a short time left -why was it so imperative to make this move? What advantage was there? We'll see.
Going forward, to deny Pierce his wish to retire as a Celtic, and to dismiss any possibility that the team could be competitive for a season or two more, means you MUST produce tangible results. This means you simply just can't have assets like late first round draft picks and trade exceptions -they have to bear fruit. So I'm willing to go with "incomplete'' with all of the many things that can happen. Pierce and Garnett had only a short time left -why was it so imperative to make this move? What advantage was there? We'll see.
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Interesting in hindsight