Should Tracy McGrady be a first ballot Hall of Famer?

Post #1 » by **RealGM Polls** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:51 pm

1. Yes
2. No

P3JA for 3 · Post #2 » by **P3JA for 3** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:16 pm

I think he avg like 5reb and 6 asts in his pre injury years. Even when he didnt score as much when on the Rockets, he still was elite. Sucks that his speed and range slowed him down. He is STILL a very good passer, but his scoring just isnt there. He can post up a little, but isnt good enough to command a double team, obviously. One of my favorites! Will never forget his dunk on Bradley. That and Ariza on Wallace were my favorites.

Depends on who else is on the ballot, I guess.

smeagolheart · Post #3 » by **smeagolheart** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:35 pm

He didn't accomplish anything with his career. He did pretty good individually at times, but his teams never went anywhere as a result of his contributions. I would pass on him for HOF. The HOF should be elite players only. The best of the best - hall of famers. Not All Stars or Stars.

gold0259 · Post #4 » by **gold0259** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:51 pm

Its too bad he had a back like Larry Bird. Injuries really stunted what he could have really done in the league. Yes he put up numbers, but I'm talking about in terms of playoffs and possible championship.

LakersFan82505 · Post #5 » by **LakersFan82505** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:12 pm

Even though he put up some amazing numbers, had a great vision and IQ of the game and was an elite player at one point of his career, the HOF is for players who had elite careers in terms of playoff appearances, wins, championship rings etc. Tmac and Yao were always injured and for that they will not be HOF players. Pity doesn't win you points in sports.

P3JA for 3 · Post #6 » by **P3JA for 3** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:41 pm

smeagolheart wrote:He didn't accomplish anything with his career. He did pretty good individually at times, but his teams never went anywhere as a result of his contributions.

...and there is your answer to why CP3, D12, and Lebron left or wouldve left because of coaching or teamates. Yao, Artest, Tmac, Landry, Battier, Scola team wouldve went to finals but got hurt...so they lost to Lakers in 7 w/o Yao or Tmac. It sucks.

Delbosque123 · Post #7 » by **Delbosque123** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:24 pm

He makes the Hall of Fame in 2K

puja21 · Post #8 » by **puja21** » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:21 pm

Statistically, he is on the fringe of ever making it... let alone first ballot:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

I would guess he eventually gets in... during his 02/03 and 03/04 peak when he was 23/24 years old he was arguably the best all-around player in the league, far ahead of both Kobe and Iverson at the two guard position in output and efficiency. He was the best passer of all the wing players (qualified by all of his head coaches, most recently JVG) and he dominated guys under 6'9 (fellow wing players) on the glass

His jumpshot was ridiculous back then. Almost 44% (282/647) on long two-pointers (>16 feet to the 3 pt line):

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcgratr01/shooting/2003/

Compare that to Kobe (41%) and AI (40.8%), with both launching way more shots. If a one-dimensional (albeit spectacular) fellow "playoff loser" like Bernard King was able to get in riding nostalgia from the NY media, I think McGrady gets in down the road. T-Mac was much more than just a scorer

vic · Post #9 » by **vic** » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:03 pm

Funny how the same people that hate on players for trying to join better teams are the same people that judge a dominant player harshly because "they never won anything with their team."

totalrekall · Post #10 » by **totalrekall** » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:33 pm

obviously not. shouldnt be HOF at all. if TMac is in then Grant Hill has to be in. then every player who was great for a short period of time, injuries or not, has to get in. even players like Arenas and Penny. those standards are way too low

SeattleMack · Post #11 » by **SeattleMack** » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:14 pm

I do not think Hall of Fame with McGrady in any facet. Stats hound that could not defend and regressed at an accelerated rate.

Vic_PhillyFan · Post #12 » by **Vic_PhillyFan** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:48 am

Anyone who doesn't think T-Mac is a Hall of Famer is extremely ignorant and an idiot. There are plenty of players already inducted who are his carbon copy (e.g. Gorge Gervin). The the Naismith Hall of Fame isn't a place for those who had the very best NBA careers, its where those who excelled at basketball are honored. That's why people like Arvydas Sabonis are inducted. Know basketball before you decided to comment on the topics folks. T-mac is, unequivocally, a First Ballot Hall Of Famer.

spree2kawhi · Post #13 » by **spree2kawhi** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:53 pm

This is the 4th best Shooting Guard of all time we're talking about here......................

BallerTalk · Post #14 » by **BallerTalk** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:53 pm

vic wrote:Funny how the same people that hate on players for trying to join better teams are the same people that judge a dominant player harshly because "they never won anything with their team."

Excellent point.

Jack wore plaid · Post #15 » by **Jack wore plaid** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:44 pm

Vic_PhillyFan wrote:Anyone who doesn't think T-Mac is a Hall of Famer is extremely ignorant and an idiot. There are plenty of players already inducted who are his carbon copy (e.g. Gorge Gervin). The the Naismith Hall of Fame isn't a place for those who had the very best NBA careers, its where those who excelled at basketball are honored. That's why people like Arvydas Sabonis are inducted. Know basketball before you decided to comment on the topics folks. T-mac is, unequivocally, a First Ballot Hall Of Famer.

Gervin was so much better, and his teams playoff records were substantially better. Maybe it's you that needs to brush up on your basketball?

Gervin scored more, shot better. Gervin 84 playoff games, McGrady 44

Jack wore plaid · Post #16 » by **Jack wore plaid** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:46 pm

basketboule wrote:This is the 4th best Shooting Guard of all time we're talking about here......................

I thought we were talking about T-Mac?

Vic_PhillyFan · Post #17 » by **Vic_PhillyFan** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:19 pm

Jack wore plaid wrote:
Vic_PhillyFan wrote:Anyone who doesn't think T-Mac is a Hall of Famer is extremely ignorant and an idiot. There are plenty of players already inducted who are his carbon copy (e.g. Gorge Gervin). The the Naismith Hall of Fame isn't a place for those who had the very best NBA careers, its where those who excelled at basketball are honored. That's why people like Arvydas Sabonis are inducted. Know basketball before you decided to comment on the topics folks. T-mac is, unequivocally, a First Ballot Hall Of Famer.

Gervin was so much better, and his teams playoff records were substantially better. Maybe it's you that needs to brush up on your basketball?

Gervin scored more, shot better. Gervin 84 playoff games, McGrady 44

And how many rings???? None. Since when did a 80(+) playoff wins become the benchmark for the HOF? Are you insinuating that no player with less then that is in? And Gervin being "so much better" is an opinion not fact. However, regardless of your irrelevant statements, the fact remains that people aren't inducted for their NBA careers. How many playoff victories is Saboins responsible for?? When Yao Ming is inducted how many playoff victories will he have? My bubble was fine and my knowledge extensive. T-mac will be inducted and I'll make sure to send you a nice comment when he is.

sorajima · Post #18 » by **sorajima** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:05 am

Vic_PhillyFan wrote:
Jack wore plaid wrote:
Vic_PhillyFan wrote:Anyone who doesn't think T-Mac is a Hall of Famer is extremely ignorant and an idiot. There are plenty of players already inducted who are his carbon copy (e.g. Gorge Gervin). The the Naismith Hall of Fame isn't a place for those who had the very best NBA careers, its where those who excelled at basketball are honored. That's why people like Arvydas Sabonis are inducted. Know basketball before you decided to comment on the topics folks. T-mac is, unequivocally, a First Ballot Hall Of Famer.

Gervin was so much better, and his teams playoff records were substantially better. Maybe it's you that needs to brush up on your basketball?

Gervin scored more, shot better. Gervin 84 playoff games, McGrady 44

And how many rings???? None. Since when did a 80(+) playoff wins become the benchmark for the HOF? Are you insinuating that no player with less then that is in? And Gervin being "so much better" is an opinion not fact. However, regardless of your irrelevant statements, the fact remains that people aren't inducted for their NBA careers. How many playoff victories is Saboins responsible for?? When Yao Ming is inducted how many playoff victories will he have? My bubble was fine and my knowledge extensive. T-mac will be inducted and I'll make sure to send you a nice comment when he is.

7 time All-Star, 2 time Scoring champion, 2 time First team. If that's not enough, T-mac deserves to be HOF with the 13pts 30sec iconic, historical performance alone. When we show our non-NBA fan friends how crazy NBA can be, what do we show them? tmac 13pts 30sec, reggie miller 8pts 9 sec, kobe 81pts etc. These are the greatest moments in NBA history and Tmac, along with all the memories and excitement he brought to the league during his time, should be automatic first ballot HOF.

Vic_PhillyFan · Post #19 » by **Vic_PhillyFan** » Sun Sep 1, 2013 7:40 pm

Jeff Van Gundy on people critizing T-Mac on his lack of playoff success, written by Bill Simmons.

"Van Gundy wishes people didn't overrate playoff success when they evaluated players, pointing out that Kevin Garnett was the exact same player in 2007 (32 wins) and 2008 (82 wins, including playoffs). He believes the line between success and failure is much thinner, and much more random, than anyone wants to admit."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9616069/the-unfortunate-tale-t-mac

Vic_PhillyFan · Post #20 » by **Vic_PhillyFan** » Sun Sep 1, 2013 8:00 pm

Vic_PhillyFan wrote:
Jack wore plaid wrote:
Vic_PhillyFan wrote:Anyone who doesn't think T-Mac is a Hall of Famer is extremely ignorant and an idiot. There are plenty of players already inducted who are his carbon copy (e.g. Gorge Gervin). The the Naismith Hall of Fame isn't a place for those who had the very best NBA careers, its where those who excelled at basketball are honored. That's why people like Arvydas Sabonis are inducted. Know basketball before you decided to comment on the topics folks. T-mac is, unequivocally, a First Ballot Hall Of Famer.

Gervin was so much better, and his teams playoff records were substantially better. Maybe it's you that needs to brush up on your basketball?

Gervin scored more, shot better. Gervin 84 playoff games, McGrady 44

And how many rings???? None. Since when did a 80(+) playoff wins become the benchmark for the HOF? Are you insinuating that no player with less then that is in? And Gervin being "so much better" is an opinion not fact. However, regardless of your irrelevant statements, the fact remains that people aren't inducted for their NBA careers. How many playoff victories is Saboins responsible for?? When Yao Ming is inducted how many playoff victories will he have? My bubble was fine and my knowledge extensive. T-mac will be inducted and I'll make sure to send you a nice comment when he is.

Allow me to further make my point by quoting Bill Simmons, the guy who Literally wrote the BOOK OF BASKETBALL:

"Is Tracy McGrady a Hall of Famer? Considering we stuck Joe Dumars in there, in the words of Mr. Big, ****. Dumars peaked for seven seasons (eight for T-Mac) and made six All-Star Games (seven for T-Mac, and he was a marquee attraction in all seven). Dumars made one second-team All-NBA and two third-team All-NBAs; T-Mac made two first-teams, three second-teams and two third-teams. Dumars was a better defender, but McGrady ran laps around him offensively — his career PER of 22.1 is almost seven points higher than Dumars's (15.3). But Dumars got to play for Chuck Daly, and he got to play with Isiah Thomas (a top-25 all-time guy), Dennis Rodman (Hall of Famer), Adrian Dantley (Hall of Famer) and terrific role players like Rick Mahorn, Vinnie Johnson, Bill Laimbeer and John Salley. I'm pretty sure T-Mac could have made it work with those guys. And by the way, if we're sticking Bernard King in the Hall of Fame based on a stupendous peak and a slew of "What ifs?," then how the hell are we leaving out Tracy McGrady?"

So I am still lacking in basketball knowledge jack?? Didn't think so