How is CC's rookie year going to go?

[Ice Man]

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Not too shabby.

Triple doubles are very rare in the WNBA. Clark is already tied for 3rd in league history among guards! Sabrina Ionescu has 4, Chelsea Gray has 2, and then 9 players, Clark among them, are tied with 1 game.

My best guess is that Clark surpasses Ionescu early next season, now that the Fever have arrived at their identity, which is to let Clark grab the rebounds on missed shots and then run the fast break, when she looks for assists more than she does taking the transition 3. That's a triple-double formula.

[jc23]

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Not too shabby.

Triple doubles are very rare in the WNBA. Clark is already tied for 3rd in league history among guards! Sabrina Ionescu has 4, Chelsea Gray has 2, and then 9 players, Clark among them, are tied with 1 game.

My best guess is that Clark surpasses Ionescu early next season, now that the Fever have arrived at their identity, which is to let Clark grab the rebounds on missed shots and then run the fast break, when she looks for assists more than she does taking the transition 3. That's a triple-double formula.

Big part of that is due to playing 8 fewer minutes then the men, but it also shows the skill level in the wnba still has room for growth

[MrDollarBills]

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Not too shabby.

Triple doubles are very rare in the WNBA. Clark is already tied for 3rd in league history among guards! Sabrina Ionescu has 4, Chelsea Gray has 2, and then 9 players, Clark among them, are tied with 1 game.

My best guess is that Clark surpasses Ionescu early next season, now that the Fever have arrived at their identity, which is to let Clark grab the rebounds on missed shots and then run the fast break, when she looks for assists more than she does taking the transition 3. That's a triple-double formula.

Big part of that is due to playing 8 fewer minutes then the men, but it also shows the skill level in the wnba still has room for growth

I think it's the minutes moreso than skill, but triple doubles in the WNBA have been climbing since the 2022 season. Alyssa Thomas has 10 to her name.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Triple doubles are very rare in the WNBA. Clark is already tied for 3rd in league history among guards! Sabrina Ionescu has 4, Chelsea Gray has 2, and then 9 players, Clark among them, are tied with 1 game.

My best guess is that Clark surpasses Ionescu early next season, now that the Fever have arrived at their identity, which is to let Clark grab the rebounds on missed shots and then run the fast break, when she looks for assists more than she does taking the transition 3. That's a triple-double formula.

Big part of that is due to playing 8 fewer minutes then the men, but it also shows the skill level in the wnba still has room for growth

I think it's the minutes moreso than skill, but triple doubles in the WNBA have been climbing since the 2022 season. Alyssa Thomas has 10 to her name.

i think there's a lot of high end talent but i'm finding the lack of role players to be quite jarring. it feels like there's a large gap between the stars and everyone else.

[MrDollarBills]

Big part of that is due to playing 8 fewer minutes then the men, but it also shows the skill level in the wnba still has room for growth

I think it's the minutes moreso than skill, but triple doubles in the WNBA have been climbing since the 2022 season. Alyssa Thomas has 10 to her name.

i think there's a lot of high end talent but i'm finding the lack of role players to be quite jarring. it feels like there's a large gap between the stars and everyone else.

By role player, do you mean like primarily specialists? Like 3 + D, rebounders/blockers, stretch bigs, 6th persons etc?

Two off the top of my head:

Like Kayla Thornton of the Liberty comes to mind, she's a 3 and D wing.

Or Stef Dolson of the Mystics, she's a legit Stretch 5.

It probably would be fun to go through each team and point some more out.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not really shocked by CC reaching a triple double tbh, the way she rebounds pretty much guarantees that she will flirt with triple doubles every night.

[Ghetto Gospel]

I think it's the minutes moreso than skill, but triple doubles in the WNBA have been climbing since the 2022 season. Alyssa Thomas has 10 to her name.

i think there's a lot of high end talent but i'm finding the lack of role players to be quite jarring. it feels like there's a large gap between the stars and everyone else.

By role player, do you mean like primarily specialists? Like 3 + D, rebounders/blockers, stretch bigs, 6th persons etc?

Two off the top of my head:

Like Kayla Thornton of the Liberty comes to mind, she's a 3 and D wing.

Or Stef Dolson of the Mystics, she's a legit Stretch 5.

It probably would be fun to go through each team and point some more out.

just like in general. like for example, katie lou samuelson seems like she's a 3-pt specialist but she doesn't even really shoot that well..? kristy wallace, is she a shooter? defender? playmaker? rebounder? i genuinely have no idea what she does on the court or why she gets minutes at all.

[MrDollarBills]

i think there's a lot of high end talent but i'm finding the lack of role players to be quite jarring. it feels like there's a large gap between the stars and everyone else.

By role player, do you mean like primarily specialists? Like 3 + D, rebounders/blockers, stretch bigs, 6th persons etc?

Two off the top of my head:

Like Kayla Thornton of the Liberty comes to mind, she's a 3 and D wing.

Or Stef Dolson of the Mystics, she's a legit Stretch 5.

It probably would be fun to go through each team and point some more out.

just like in general. like for example, katie lou samuelson seems like she's a 3-pt specialist but she doesn't even really shoot that well..? kristy wallace, is she a shooter? defender? playmaker? rebounder? i genuinely have no idea what she does on the court or why she gets minutes at all.

Hmm ok, this made me think. If I had to categorize these two:

Katie Lou(note: she is hitting 36% from downtown this year) = I have her pegged as a big wing/stretch 4 type.

Kristy Wallace = jack of all trades SG combo type. Her 3ball has been off this year though. I don't think her defense has been good either tbh and this was once a strength of hers. I think Lexie Hull needs more mins at SG tbh over Wallace, she's an excellent defender and will play with pace.

[Ghetto Gospel]

By role player, do you mean like primarily specialists? Like 3 + D, rebounders/blockers, stretch bigs, 6th persons etc?

Two off the top of my head:

Like Kayla Thornton of the Liberty comes to mind, she's a 3 and D wing.

Or Stef Dolson of the Mystics, she's a legit Stretch 5.

It probably would be fun to go through each team and point some more out.

just like in general. like for example, katie lou samuelson seems like she's a 3-pt specialist but she doesn't even really shoot that well..? kristy wallace, is she a shooter? defender? playmaker? rebounder? i genuinely have no idea what she does on the court or why she gets minutes at all.

Hmm ok, this made me think. If I had to categorize these two:

Katie Lou(note: she is hitting 36% from downtown this year) = I have her pegged as a big wing/stretch 4 type.

Kristy Wallace = jack of all trades SG combo type. Her 3ball has been off this year though. I don't think her defense has been good either tbh and this was once a strength of hers. I think Lexie Hull needs more mins at SG tbh over Wallace, she's an excellent defender and will play with pace.

i can see the big wing but being big is only "useful" if she can provide some defense or rebounding but that doesn't seem to be the case. the big is just kind of a detriment since it slows her down.

kristy wallace is more like a jack of no trades, i didn't realize kristy wallace was once a defender. lexie hull definitely needs to play. she seems to know what she needs to do on the court and doesn't try to do too much. there's very few negative plays on offense with her. if she can be a good 3-pt shooter with volume, she'll be a great long-term option for the team.

[Ice Man]

i can see the big wing but being big is only "useful" if she can provide some defense or rebounding but that doesn't seem to be the case. the big is just kind of a detriment since it slows her down.

kristy wallace is more like a jack of no trades, i didn't realize kristy wallace was once a defender. lexie hull definitely needs to play. she seems to know what she needs to do on the court and doesn't try to do too much. there's very few negative plays on offense with her. if she can be a good 3-pt shooter with volume, she'll be a great long-term option for the team.

In theory Katie Lou & Wallace play because they stretch the floor while Hull does not. But with Hull shooting 35% on 3s this year, it's no contest. She's a better defender than the other two (especially Katie Lou, as you describe her issues accurately), she moves better off the ball on offense, and she's the highest energy player of the three.

[MrDollarBills]

just like in general. like for example, katie lou samuelson seems like she's a 3-pt specialist but she doesn't even really shoot that well..? kristy wallace, is she a shooter? defender? playmaker? rebounder? i genuinely have no idea what she does on the court or why she gets minutes at all.

Hmm ok, this made me think. If I had to categorize these two:

Katie Lou(note: she is hitting 36% from downtown this year) = I have her pegged as a big wing/stretch 4 type.

Kristy Wallace = jack of all trades SG combo type. Her 3ball has been off this year though. I don't think her defense has been good either tbh and this was once a strength of hers. I think Lexie Hull needs more mins at SG tbh over Wallace, she's an excellent defender and will play with pace.

i can see the big wing but being big is only "useful" if she can provide some defense or rebounding but that doesn't seem to be the case. the big is just kind of a detriment since it slows her down.

kristy wallace is more like a jack of no trades, i didn't realize kristy wallace was once a defender. lexie hull definitely needs to play. she seems to know what she needs to do on the court and doesn't try to do too much. there's very few negative plays on offense with her. if she can be a good 3-pt shooter with volume, she'll be a great long-term option for the team.

Jack of all trades, master of none

[MrDollarBills]

i can see the big wing but being big is only "useful" if she can provide some defense or rebounding but that doesn't seem to be the case. the big is just kind of a detriment since it slows her down.

kristy wallace is more like a jack of no trades, i didn't realize kristy wallace was once a defender. lexie hull definitely needs to play. she seems to know what she needs to do on the court and doesn't try to do too much. there's very few negative plays on offense with her. if she can be a good 3-pt shooter with volume, she'll be a great long-term option for the team.

In theory Katie Lou & Wallace play because they stretch the floor while Hull does not. But with Hull shooting 35% on 3s this year, it's no contest. She's a better defender than the other two (especially Katie Lou, as you describe her issues accurately), she moves better off the ball on offense, and she's the highest energy player of the three.

Right. The Fever need to play with pace so Hull is a better fit since the line up needs perimeter D and she will run the floor.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Hmm ok, this made me think. If I had to categorize these two:

Katie Lou(note: she is hitting 36% from downtown this year) = I have her pegged as a big wing/stretch 4 type.

Kristy Wallace = jack of all trades SG combo type. Her 3ball has been off this year though. I don't think her defense has been good either tbh and this was once a strength of hers. I think Lexie Hull needs more mins at SG tbh over Wallace, she's an excellent defender and will play with pace.

i can see the big wing but being big is only "useful" if she can provide some defense or rebounding but that doesn't seem to be the case. the big is just kind of a detriment since it slows her down.

kristy wallace is more like a jack of no trades, i didn't realize kristy wallace was once a defender. lexie hull definitely needs to play. she seems to know what she needs to do on the court and doesn't try to do too much. there's very few negative plays on offense with her. if she can be a good 3-pt shooter with volume, she'll be a great long-term option for the team.

Jack of all trades, master of none

eh, jack of all trades for me is like.. mikal bridges on the high end, cam johnson, terance mann on the lower end in the nba and i'd think like betnijah laney-hamilton on the high-end, rookie rickea jackson in the w. they all offer a little bit of everything, self-creation, shooting, defense and can slot into any team pretty comfortably. maybe kristy wallace was in prior years, but watching most fever games this season, she looks like she doesn't really do anything

[rmontro]

Not sure if this has been mentioned: Aside from Clark's triple double being the first by a WNBA rookie, it's also the first for a player on the Fever. That's almost as impressive as being the first for a rookie, when you think about it. Almost.

[Ice Man]

Not sure if this has been mentioned: Aside from Clark's triple double being the first by a WNBA rookie, it's also the first for a player on the Fever. That's almost as impressive as being the first for a rookie, when you think about it. Almost.

I would say more impressive, as the Fever has been around for 25 years and hasn't not always been bad, with about 10 winning/average years in that stretch. You would think that one player, once, would have done that.

[MrDollarBills]

i can see the big wing but being big is only "useful" if she can provide some defense or rebounding but that doesn't seem to be the case. the big is just kind of a detriment since it slows her down.

kristy wallace is more like a jack of no trades, i didn't realize kristy wallace was once a defender. lexie hull definitely needs to play. she seems to know what she needs to do on the court and doesn't try to do too much. there's very few negative plays on offense with her. if she can be a good 3-pt shooter with volume, she'll be a great long-term option for the team.

Jack of all trades, master of none

eh, jack of all trades for me is like.. mikal bridges on the high end, cam johnson, terance mann on the lower end in the nba and i'd think like betnijah laney-hamilton on the high-end, rookie rickea jackson in the w. they all offer a little bit of everything, self-creation, shooting, defense and can slot into any team pretty comfortably. maybe kristy wallace was in prior years, but watching most fever games this season, she looks like she doesn't really do anything

I think she also suffered two ACL tears if I'm not mistaken so that may also explain the diminished returns.

Yeah good call I would label Betnijah in that way. Excellent 3 and D player that can defend, rebound, has passable handle and can defend spots 2, 3, and some 4.

[MrDollarBills]

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I love AB and CC Caitlin could barely keep it together

[Ice Man]

Wallace was a 2nd round pick from 2018, while Hull was the #6 overall pick in 2022. It's not surprising that the younger player who was perceived to have a higher ceiling when drafted is starting to take playing time from her older teammate.

[rmontro]

I love AB and CC Caitlin could barely keep it together

I think it's interesting that Caitlin is so well known for saying all the right things to the press. But on the court she is known to be a trash talker, and was getting pretty mouthy with the refs - especially earlier in the year. I think Sides has coached her to quash that.

[rmontro]

I saw a guy on YouTube saying that while he thinks Clark deserves the ROTY, he thinks Reese will get it. Mainly because the people who do the voting tend to favor the big players. They don't value guards so much, so the award usually goes to a forward or center. And the press does seem to be pushing Reese more, so that might make sense.