How is CC's rookie year going to go?

[Ice Man]

Against Dallas before the Olympics break, Clark accounted for 66 points via either directly scoring or an assist. That was a WNBA one-game record. After notching 52 last night, she now has the 2-game record, at 118.

[Ghetto Gospel]

1st team all-wnba at this rate

[Ice Man]

If you ever wanted to find a statistic you could safely ignore, Win Shares would be it. According to that statistic, Caitlin Clark is the 5th best offensive player on the Fever per minute played, behind (in order) Fagbenle, Boston, Mitchell, and Smith. Betcha didn't know that.

Clark is also a worse offensive player than Angel Reese, per that measure.

[rmontro]

What a game Clark had against the Mercury.
Can we stop this nonsense about Angel Reese winning ROTY now?

[theforumblue]

What a game Clark had against the Mercury.
Can we stop this nonsense about Angel Reese winning ROTY now?

They still need a story to keep talking heads occupied.

[MrDollarBills]

If you ever wanted to find a statistic you could safely ignore, Win Shares would be it. According to that statistic, Caitlin Clark is the 5th best offensive player on the Fever per minute played, behind (in order) Fagbenle, Boston, Mitchell, and Smith. Betcha didn't know that.

Clark is also a worse offensive player than Angel Reese, per that measure.

I never understood win shares.

I'll just look at the stats and confirm with the eye ball test. Analytics have their place, but people act like they're infallible. Looking at one stat doesn't often tell the whole story about a player.

[MrDollarBills]

What a game Clark had against the Mercury.
Can we stop this nonsense about Angel Reese winning ROTY now?

They still need a story to keep talking heads occupied.

I don't think that's been in discussion for awhile now but I stopped watching ESPN's shows.

Clark has pretty much solidified her ROY status with Indiana's turnaround that she has propelled with her playmaking. This is not the same team that we saw to begin the season where they looked lost and were fumbling passes left and right.

I think Angel has done a fantastic job and deserved her all star nod so I don't think she should be denigrated for actually having been in the conversation. That's the part where ppl lose me, can we just appreciate these two incredible kids and not make it a pissing contest? It sucks the fun out of this.

[rmontro]

I think Angel has done a fantastic job and deserved her all star nod so I don't think she should be denigrated for actually having been in the conversation. That's the part where ppl lose me, can we just appreciate these two incredible kids and not make it a pissing contest? It sucks the fun out of this.

However it sounds, I'm not trying to denigrate Reese, what she has done is impressive. All-Star, yes. ROTY? No.

[tmorgan]

I was one of the more optimistic predictors early in this thread, but I’ll go further now, I’ve seen enough.

She’s the best PG in the world already, and, while it’s hard to compare across positions, she’ll be in competition for the best player period by next season.

The Fever are not a good roster. She’s making 75% of the good stuff happen herself. As they improve (she’ll draw good shooters and finishers like flies to poop), she’ll look even better.

[jumpman28]

I was one of the more optimistic predictors early in this thread, but I’ll go further now, I’ve seen enough.

She’s the best PG in the world already, and, while it’s hard to compare across positions, she’ll be in competition for the best player period by next season.

The Fever are not a good roster. She’s making 75% of the good stuff happen herself. As they improve (she’ll draw good shooters and finishers like flies to poop), she’ll look even better.

I don't think they are that far away to be honest, they do need a backup point guard that is a better fit playing alongside Clark than Wheeler is, someone who can shoot the three and also initiate the offense.

A 3&D Wing, and even though Nalyssa Smith has been playing pretty well lately, I just don't see her there long term. I feel like if Fagbenle is healthy she can do most of the things Smith can, except with much better defense.

[KdoubleDees23]

If you ever wanted to find a statistic you could safely ignore, Win Shares would be it. According to that statistic, Caitlin Clark is the 5th best offensive player on the Fever per minute played, behind (in order) Fagbenle, Boston, Mitchell, and Smith. Betcha didn't know that.

Clark is also a worse offensive player than Angel Reese, per that measure.

DUDE reese scores like 13 ppg on less than 40% shooting as a big! That is pathetic. She is good on getting rebounds, but she isn't going to take a game over.

CC is fun to watch, and I will be up front, I only watch fever games if they are on TV. I won't go out of my way to turn a SKY game on.

[Ice Man]

In today's Fever-Storm game, Clark made 12 passes that resulted in layups/shots at the rim for her teammates. I'm not talking about feeding bigs who are static, posted up near the basket. I'm talking about hitting cutters/teammates on the run, with passes that ranged from kinda tricky to wow.

Who does that?

[LLJ]

Ironically with all this Reese vs Clark conversation, I think they'd make better teammates than rivals.

[Ice Man]

Ironically with all this Reese vs Clark conversation, I think they'd make better teammates than rivals.

They would be fantastic together. Angel runs, runs, runs the floor and is a great finisher in transition. (Otherwise, not so much.) It would be Showtime!

[Ghetto Gospel]

Ironically with all this Reese vs Clark conversation, I think they'd make better teammates than rivals.

actually, i think you'd rather have a shooter to spread the floor. i think satou sabally is the ideal 4 for the fever right now

[jumpman28]

Ironically with all this Reese vs Clark conversation, I think they'd make better teammates than rivals.

actually, i think you'd rather have a shooter to spread the floor. i think satou sabally is the ideal 4 for the fever right now

I'd actually like to see a front court lineup of Sabally/Boston/Fagbenle, with Sabally playing 3/4. There would be so much length and size with that lineup, without giving up much in terms of spacing or quickness.

[zimpy27]

Clarks increased defensive rebounding is a strong correlate to wins..

Fever should think about what Thunder did to get Westbrook to get defensive rebounds so she can lead the transition offense faster.

[Ice Man]

Fever should think about what Thunder did to get Westbrook to get defensive rebounds so she can lead the transition offense faster.

Indiana isn't quite at that stage, but when the rebound does head in Clark's way her teammates instantly change direction and sprint up the court. Also, when another player gets the rebound she immediately looks for Clark. Neither of those things were consistently occurring when the season started. Those changes are two (of the many) reasons for the Fever's dramatic offensive improvement.

[zimpy27]

Fever should think about what Thunder did to get Westbrook to get defensive rebounds so she can lead the transition offense faster.

Indiana isn't quite at that stage, but when the rebound does head in Clark's way her teammates instantly change direction and sprint up the court. Also, when another player gets the rebound she immediately looks for Clark. Neither of those things were consistently occurring when the season started. Those changes are two (of the many) reasons for the Fever's dramatic offensive improvement.

Whether Fever win or lose Clark typically has the same TS%, points, assists, steals, blocks, TOs

The only different stats between wins and losses are defensive boards.
Clark has 6.8rpg in wins and 4.1rpg in losses.

A 66% jump in rebounds wins compared to losses is pretty substantial. It fits the eye test of transition pressure and we have precedence of impact with Westbrook.

[Ice Man]

Whether Fever win or lose Clark typically has the same TS%, points, assists, steals, blocks, TOs

I see the stat you are looking at. I think there's something of a small sample-size issue going on there, plus maybe some other factors (such as perhaps she gets more defensive rebounds in wins because the opponents miss more shots?) But yes, that split does suggest that the more times she grabs the ball underneath her own basket, the better for the Fever.