How is CC's rookie year going to go?

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Re: How is CC's rookie year going to go? 

Post#361 » by IlikeSHAIguys » Mon Sep 2, 2024 4:03 pm

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IlikeSHAIguys wrote:I think CC just confirmed she's ROY

I can't imagine there is any question of that by this point, and if there was that surely puts it to bed. Didn't stop Reese from going out there and doing her stat padding thing though. Yeah, I said it.

Leslie said they should split ROY. Which...seems kind of dumb
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Post#362 » by Doctor MJ » Mon Sep 2, 2024 5:36 pm

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IlikeSHAIguys wrote:I think CC just confirmed she's ROY

I can't imagine there is any question of that by this point, and if there was that surely puts it to bed. Didn't stop Reese from going out there and doing her stat padding thing though. Yeah, I said it.

Leslie said they should split ROY. Which...seems kind of dumb


Yeah, more of the WNBA legends just making themselves look like utter fools. It's really cringey.

I don't think WNBA players actually wanted Clark to be a bust - I don't think the "hate" here is anything like real-life hate - but I do think that there was a clear sense of bitterness that after so many years of busting butts to make women's basketball more of a pop culture thing, along comes this white girl who hasn't even played against the best in the world yet, and she's everybody's darling!

I think in general this is less odd of a phenomenon than people think. I think pop culture phenomena often gain traction with one particular "darling" for reasons only partially about competitive dominance, and that when competitive dominance isn't proven, it seems unfair to those who were doing the work before.

I would just urge them to think of Maya Moore.

Moore was legit better than all of these other players, and yet she's never anything but gracious to the new generation.
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Re: How is CC's rookie year going to go? 

Post#363 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Sep 2, 2024 6:13 pm

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rmontro wrote:I can't imagine there is any question of that by this point, and if there was that surely puts it to bed. Didn't stop Reese from going out there and doing her stat padding thing though. Yeah, I said it.

Leslie said they should split ROY. Which...seems kind of dumb


Yeah, more of the WNBA legends just making themselves look like utter fools. It's really cringey.

I don't think WNBA players actually wanted Clark to be a bust - I don't think the "hate" here is anything like real-life hate - but I do think that there was a clear sense of bitterness that after so many years of busting butts to make women's basketball more of a pop culture thing, along comes this white girl who hasn't even played against the best in the world yet, and she's everybody's darling!

I think in general this is less odd of a phenomenon than people think. I think pop culture phenomena often gain traction with one particular "darling" for reasons only partially about competitive dominance, and that when competitive dominance isn't proven, it seems unfair to those who were doing the work before.

I would just urge them to think of Maya Moore.

Moore was legit better than all of these other players, and yet she's never anything but gracious to the new generation.
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The idea of splitting the award is stupid, Clark has done more at this point to earn it, that's not up for debate it's fact on paper.

But i will say this, two people don't speak for all of the legends. I also don't think that all 143 players in the W are bitter towards Clark. I think fierce competition is being taken for hatred when I don't think it's that serious. The W is more fun to watch than the NBA to me because the women play hard as hell against each other, it doesn't matter who you are or what night it is. I've seen Brittany Griner throw Aliyah Boston down like a rag doll, no one cared. I can pull up tons of instances where someone goes a wee bit too far, it's not all targeted towards CC.

The players were always going to test CC, I saw that coming from a mile away. That comes with the territory of being a generational talent. People are going to go at you. I think it's a sign of respect. Look at the way Dijonai and CC go at it when their teams play. I think they all love the challenge of people who bring their A game against them.

But when we saw CC with the other all stars and Olympians during the all star weekend, everyone was having fun with each other. I don't think any of this stuff goes past the court tbh. They're all competitors.
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Re: How is CC's rookie year going to go? 

Post#364 » by Ghetto Gospel » Tue Sep 3, 2024 2:16 pm

IlikeSHAIguys wrote:
rmontro wrote:
IlikeSHAIguys wrote:I think CC just confirmed she's ROY

I can't imagine there is any question of that by this point, and if there was that surely puts it to bed. Didn't stop Reese from going out there and doing her stat padding thing though. Yeah, I said it.

Leslie said they should split ROY. Which...seems kind of dumb


i don't think it's even really like that. lisa leslie did not say they should split ROY, but she said they both deserve it and that's true. i think angel does deserve it, but unfortunately, unlucky for her, she was a rookie in the wrong year.

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i also think she's one of the good OGs. there's enough people out in the world trying to tear angel reese and she's just doing her part to try and build these women up. it's not that serious
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Re: How is CC's rookie year going to go? 

Post#365 » by rmontro » Tue Sep 3, 2024 3:52 pm

Ghetto Gospel wrote:i don't think it's even really like that. lisa leslie did not say they should split ROY, but she said they both deserve it and that's true. i think angel does deserve it, but unfortunately, unlucky for her, she was a rookie in the wrong year.

That's a nice way of saying she doesn't deserve it.
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Re: How is CC's rookie year going to go? 

Post#366 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Sep 3, 2024 4:22 pm

Ghetto Gospel wrote:
IlikeSHAIguys wrote:
rmontro wrote:I can't imagine there is any question of that by this point, and if there was that surely puts it to bed. Didn't stop Reese from going out there and doing her stat padding thing though. Yeah, I said it.

Leslie said they should split ROY. Which...seems kind of dumb


i don't think it's even really like that. lisa leslie did not say they should split ROY, but she said they both deserve it and that's true. i think angel does deserve it, but unfortunately, unlucky for her, she was a rookie in the wrong year.

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i also think she's one of the good OGs. there's enough people out in the world trying to tear angel reese and she's just doing her part to try and build these women up. it's not that serious


I agree with you, i think she's got her heart in the right place, she's trying to elevate both players and not pit them against each other, and in any other year, Angel is clearly the ROY, but Clark's impact on the court cannot be understated at this point.
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Re: How is CC's rookie year going to go? 

Post#367 » by Ice Man » Tue Sep 3, 2024 4:32 pm

I am fine with Lisa's comment. She clearly is cheerleading for the league, rather than making a serious claim about how the ROY award should be given.
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Re: How is CC's rookie year going to go? 

Post#368 » by KembaWalker » Tue Sep 3, 2024 6:56 pm

Suggesting a coROY at this point is just another weak disrespectful antagonization toward CC, masked with fake positivity and unity. It’s a competitive professional sport not little league, Angel Reese and CC are not even in the same stratosphere. This is not an appropriate “everyone come together” kumbaya moment, it’s Caitlin’s moment to be celebrated as the best rookie in the league.
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Post#369 » by theforumblue » Tue Sep 3, 2024 10:02 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Suggesting a coROY at this point is just another weak disrespectful antagonization toward CC, masked with fake positivity and unity. It’s a competitive professional sport not little league, Angel Reese and CC are not even in the same stratosphere. This is not an appropriate “everyone come together” kumbaya moment, it’s Caitlin’s moment to be celebrated as the best rookie in the league.


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Re: How is CC's rookie year going to go? 

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Post#371 » by Wingy » Wed Sep 4, 2024 12:53 am

KembaWalker wrote:Suggesting a coROY at this point is just another weak disrespectful antagonization toward CC, masked with fake positivity and unity. It’s a competitive professional sport not little league, Angel Reese and CC are not even in the same stratosphere. This is not an appropriate “everyone come together” kumbaya moment, it’s Caitlin’s moment to be celebrated as the best rookie in the league.


Except she didn’t suggest that.

Reese just broke the league’s single season rebounding record as a rookie with 16 games to go in the season.

It’s obviously a deserving, ROTY level campaign. Yet it’s not good enough to win this year with Clark in her class.
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Post#372 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 4, 2024 2:48 pm

Wingy wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Suggesting a coROY at this point is just another weak disrespectful antagonization toward CC, masked with fake positivity and unity. It’s a competitive professional sport not little league, Angel Reese and CC are not even in the same stratosphere. This is not an appropriate “everyone come together” kumbaya moment, it’s Caitlin’s moment to be celebrated as the best rookie in the league.


Except she didn’t suggest that.

Reese just broke the league’s single season rebounding record as a rookie with 16 games to go in the season.

It’s obviously a deserving, ROTY level campaign. Yet it’s not good enough to win this year with Clark in her class.


Wingy, how dare you offer an informed, objective take about this topic with facts to support it? :lol:

No seriously, any other year Angel is ROY with her accomplishments. But Clark is doing literally MVP level work here, that can't be denied.

There's no crime in giving Angel Reese her flowers for what she's doing. This stuff where people are getting angry over people giving her credit is flat out weird man.
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Re: How is CC's rookie year going to go? 

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Post#374 » by KembaWalker » Wed Sep 4, 2024 5:26 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
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KembaWalker wrote:Suggesting a coROY at this point is just another weak disrespectful antagonization toward CC, masked with fake positivity and unity. It’s a competitive professional sport not little league, Angel Reese and CC are not even in the same stratosphere. This is not an appropriate “everyone come together” kumbaya moment, it’s Caitlin’s moment to be celebrated as the best rookie in the league.


Except she didn’t suggest that.

Reese just broke the league’s single season rebounding record as a rookie with 16 games to go in the season.

It’s obviously a deserving, ROTY level campaign. Yet it’s not good enough to win this year with Clark in her class.


Wingy, how dare you offer an informed, objective take about this topic with facts to support it? :lol:

No seriously, any other year Angel is ROY with her accomplishments. But Clark is doing literally MVP level work here, that can't be denied.

There's no crime in giving Angel Reese her flowers for what she's doing. This stuff where people are getting angry over people giving her credit is flat out weird man.


its "weird" putting Angel Reese and CC in the same sentence like they are performing as peers. It would be weird of me to shoehorn in Brandon Miller everytime someone brought up Wemby because I was concerned he wasn't getting his "flowers" and making sure everyone acknowledged that he would be ROY if Wemby (and a sophomore player) weren't in the race. People would rightly tell me to go away, that they are not in the same tier. I don't know if its because they're women and people think we need to treat them like little leaguers or the race thing as you always infer. Probably some of both. Very odd behavior, like someone else said, the fact that women are throwing away decades of friendship over this is hilarious, and bizarre. These people need to be told how weird they are, so they can fix their behavior
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Except she didn’t suggest that.

Reese just broke the league’s single season rebounding record as a rookie with 16 games to go in the season.

It’s obviously a deserving, ROTY level campaign. Yet it’s not good enough to win this year with Clark in her class.


Wingy, how dare you offer an informed, objective take about this topic with facts to support it? :lol:

No seriously, any other year Angel is ROY with her accomplishments. But Clark is doing literally MVP level work here, that can't be denied.

There's no crime in giving Angel Reese her flowers for what she's doing. This stuff where people are getting angry over people giving her credit is flat out weird man.


its "weird" putting Angel Reese and CC in the same sentence like they are performing as peers. It would be weird of me to shoehorn in Brandon Miller everytime someone brought up Wemby because I was concerned he wasn't getting his "flowers" and making sure everyone acknowledged that he would be ROY if Wemby (and a sophomore player) weren't in the race. People would rightly tell me to go away, that they are not in the same tier. I don't know if its because they're women and people think we need to treat them like little leaguers or the race thing as you always infer. Probably some of both. Very odd behavior, like someone else said, the fact that women are throwing away decades of friendship over this is hilarious, and bizarre. These people need to be told how weird they are, so they can fix their behavior


Well that's because Brandon Miller wasn't doing historic things in his rookie season. There's probably a good example to support the point you're making but this isn't it.
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Post#376 » by KembaWalker » Wed Sep 4, 2024 5:32 pm

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Wingy, how dare you offer an informed, objective take about this topic with facts to support it? :lol:

No seriously, any other year Angel is ROY with her accomplishments. But Clark is doing literally MVP level work here, that can't be denied.

There's no crime in giving Angel Reese her flowers for what she's doing. This stuff where people are getting angry over people giving her credit is flat out weird man.


its "weird" putting Angel Reese and CC in the same sentence like they are performing as peers. It would be weird of me to shoehorn in Brandon Miller everytime someone brought up Wemby because I was concerned he wasn't getting his "flowers" and making sure everyone acknowledged that he would be ROY if Wemby (and a sophomore player) weren't in the race. People would rightly tell me to go away, that they are not in the same tier. I don't know if its because they're women and people think we need to treat them like little leaguers or the race thing as you always infer. Probably some of both. Very odd behavior, like someone else said, the fact that women are throwing away decades of friendship over this is hilarious, and bizarre. These people need to be told how weird they are, so they can fix their behavior


Well that's because Brandon Miller wasn't doing historic things in his rookie season. There's probably a good example to support the point you're making but this isn't it.


the point is perfectly fine, theres literally another thread where the near full consensus is that Angel Reese wouldn't have been ROY last year either. She wouldn't be one next year when Paige comes out. its silly to put them in the same conversation.
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Post#377 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 4, 2024 8:26 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:
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Except she didn’t suggest that.

Reese just broke the league’s single season rebounding record as a rookie with 16 games to go in the season.

It’s obviously a deserving, ROTY level campaign. Yet it’s not good enough to win this year with Clark in her class.


Wingy, how dare you offer an informed, objective take about this topic with facts to support it? :lol:

No seriously, any other year Angel is ROY with her accomplishments. But Clark is doing literally MVP level work here, that can't be denied.

There's no crime in giving Angel Reese her flowers for what she's doing. This stuff where people are getting angry over people giving her credit is flat out weird man.


its "weird" putting Angel Reese and CC in the same sentence like they are performing as peers. It would be weird of me to shoehorn in Brandon Miller everytime someone brought up Wemby because I was concerned he wasn't getting his "flowers" and making sure everyone acknowledged that he would be ROY if Wemby (and a sophomore player) weren't in the race. People would rightly tell me to go away, that they are not in the same tier. I don't know if its because they're women and people think we need to treat them like little leaguers or the race thing as you always infer. Probably some of both. Very odd behavior, like someone else said, the fact that women are throwing away decades of friendship over this is hilarious, and bizarre. These people need to be told how weird they are, so they can fix their behavior


Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese are peers.

First time Rookie all stars.

Record breakers in their first seasons. What the two of them are doing is ground breaking stuff. To act like Reese is somehow beneath Caitlin as a player and a person is frankly, weird.

Getting upset at people giving Reese her flowers is weird.

Trying to compare this to Wemby and Brandon Miller is not only weird, but blatantly disingenuous.

It is what it is bruv.
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Post#378 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 4, 2024 8:29 pm

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its "weird" putting Angel Reese and CC in the same sentence like they are performing as peers. It would be weird of me to shoehorn in Brandon Miller everytime someone brought up Wemby because I was concerned he wasn't getting his "flowers" and making sure everyone acknowledged that he would be ROY if Wemby (and a sophomore player) weren't in the race. People would rightly tell me to go away, that they are not in the same tier. I don't know if its because they're women and people think we need to treat them like little leaguers or the race thing as you always infer. Probably some of both. Very odd behavior, like someone else said, the fact that women are throwing away decades of friendship over this is hilarious, and bizarre. These people need to be told how weird they are, so they can fix their behavior


Well that's because Brandon Miller wasn't doing historic things in his rookie season. There's probably a good example to support the point you're making but this isn't it.


the point is perfectly fine, theres literally another thread where the near full consensus is that Angel Reese wouldn't have been ROY last year either. She wouldn't be one next year when Paige comes out. its silly to put them in the same conversation.


Whatever Angel did to you to make you this upset about her very existence must have been awful. I'm sorry man.

Nah just kidding. You're making things really weird with your hatred of a 22 year old kid who has done nothing to you and it's well beyond time someone called it for what it is.
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Re: How is CC's rookie year going to go? 

Post#379 » by KembaWalker » Wed Sep 4, 2024 9:01 pm

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Well that's because Brandon Miller wasn't doing historic things in his rookie season. There's probably a good example to support the point you're making but this isn't it.


the point is perfectly fine, theres literally another thread where the near full consensus is that Angel Reese wouldn't have been ROY last year either. She wouldn't be one next year when Paige comes out. its silly to put them in the same conversation.


Whatever Angel did to you to make you this upset about her very existence must have been awful. I'm sorry man.

Nah just kidding. You're making things really weird with your hatred of a 22 year old kid who has done nothing to you and it's well beyond time someone called it for what it is.


I’ll go on talking about the public figures and their public statements and actions while you sit here and attack me personally for the dozenth time. Good look on you.
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